BusinessGoose
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Dzone coverage needs improved
That's a team strat more than personnel
Offense though? That's a personnel issue.
That's a team strat more than personnel
Offense though? That's a personnel issue.
Salary Cap: Pens 2024 Summer Thread: "Thus, knocking us out of these superior numbers when we emerge! Mr. President, we must not allow a non-playoff bound gap!"
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The Old Master
come and take it.
why not fix both? the de should be the easy fix (if you know the problem)
1. get a coach that can/will fix it.
2. getting players that can play defense, should not cost much.
scoring depth will cost more and could be harder to get but once the de is fixed your offensive players should play better when they are put into a position of not trying to play defense.
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If you want to fix team defense, you must fix the defensive zone scheme or system. There have been comments made in the past by previous players on what a garbage system it is, and I can't tell you how many times we've watched players actively miss assignments because it seems like they don't know who their assignment is. That's coaching. That's not players. Players like DOC, Puustinen, Bunting, Rakell, etc should be extremely passable in the defensive zone under a competent system and coach.
The idea that we need "defensive specialists" (or anyone alluding to that) masks the issue—Sullivan and the coaching staff and the systems they implement. You shouldn't need that. The fact that we went out to build teams like that and have missed the playoffs twice recently because they refuse to address more serious issues is telling.
If the 3rd line ends up being DOC-Eller-Puustinen, there should be a system at both ends that allows that line to not be a complete black hole offensively and not be a defensive liability simultaneously. If they are either, it's on the coaching staff more than the players.
I believe the FAR better route is to find better scoring depth and then teach them better team defense rather than find defensive players and watch them actively struggle to score.
The idea that we need "defensive specialists" (or anyone alluding to that) masks the issue—Sullivan and the coaching staff and the systems they implement. You shouldn't need that. The fact that we went out to build teams like that and have missed the playoffs twice recently because they refuse to address more serious issues is telling.
If the 3rd line ends up being DOC-Eller-Puustinen, there should be a system at both ends that allows that line to not be a complete black hole offensively and not be a defensive liability simultaneously. If they are either, it's on the coaching staff more than the players.
I believe the FAR better route is to find better scoring depth and then teach them better team defense rather than find defensive players and watch them actively struggle to score.
KrisLetAngry
MrJukeBoy
Okay another trade idea.
Jarry for Pinto + Korpisolo
We buyout Korpisolo and bring in a random goalie.
Yes or No.
Jarry for Pinto + Korpisolo
We buyout Korpisolo and bring in a random goalie.
Yes or No.
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Follow up tweet.
I think we’ll be ok if we can do a little bit better in goal, a little more scoring in the bottom 6 AND the obvious PP has to be at least average at worst.
SomeDude
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Ottawa would be insane to do that unless Pinto has been hitting the sports book again.
KrisLetAngry
MrJukeBoy
1 Year of Sean Monohan cost a 1st for the Flames.
Multiple years of a negative asset and taking on the buyout has gotta cost a price.
I know before the gambling situation Pinto and the Sens org were negotiating hard.
Jag68Sid87
Sullivan gots to go!
I doubt that Monahan trade with Cgy and Mtl is going to be seen again anytime soon. That was a Kent Hughes special.
The blueline pairings and the bottom six looked better down the stretch last season, which provides some hope. It is never good to assume anything, but I have to believe Ryan Graves is an upgrade over Ryan Shea on the third pairing. And I also have to assume that for at least one very important D-man, David Quinn is an upgrade over Todd Reirden. Jeff Carter was centering the fourth line but he is now gone. Acciari was out of the lineup, and guys like Puljujarvi, Bemstrom, Puustinen and Gruden brought something to the table.
For me, the conclusion to all this is better talent can improve both the blueline and the bottom six. Not to mention beating the drum for younger legs and fresh energy.
The key will be the power play and the added scoring from the guy we do not have yet. We have to replace Guentzel's goals (and assists nowadays), and we have to replace his roster spot with a guy who can make an impact on the power play.
Given the way this team has always been built, it is inexcusable to have a shitty power play (no matter what animal SEALBound wants to use as an analogy). The Penguins struggling on the power play is like the Bruins struggling to keep the puck out of their own net. It makes no sense and it needs to be corrected because it is part of the team's identity.
The blueline pairings and the bottom six looked better down the stretch last season, which provides some hope. It is never good to assume anything, but I have to believe Ryan Graves is an upgrade over Ryan Shea on the third pairing. And I also have to assume that for at least one very important D-man, David Quinn is an upgrade over Todd Reirden. Jeff Carter was centering the fourth line but he is now gone. Acciari was out of the lineup, and guys like Puljujarvi, Bemstrom, Puustinen and Gruden brought something to the table.
For me, the conclusion to all this is better talent can improve both the blueline and the bottom six. Not to mention beating the drum for younger legs and fresh energy.
The key will be the power play and the added scoring from the guy we do not have yet. We have to replace Guentzel's goals (and assists nowadays), and we have to replace his roster spot with a guy who can make an impact on the power play.
Given the way this team has always been built, it is inexcusable to have a shitty power play (no matter what animal SEALBound wants to use as an analogy). The Penguins struggling on the power play is like the Bruins struggling to keep the puck out of their own net. It makes no sense and it needs to be corrected because it is part of the team's identity.
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3 years left at 5.4mil per for the 30 yo. Sub .900 SV% last 2 seasons.
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With the cap going up and not many bad contracts left of many books, I don't think we're going to be seeing Monahan or Marleau trades for a couple of seasons. League-wide, most teams are in pretty good shape. And there appears to be avenues to waive or trade guys with bad deals.
I mean, Ottawas WANTS to trade away Korpisalo. They don't NEED to trade him away. Kind of the same with us and Jarry.
I mean, Ottawas WANTS to trade away Korpisalo. They don't NEED to trade him away. Kind of the same with us and Jarry.
SomeDude
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They could just pay a pick to get out of the Korpisalo deal and find another goalie. Pinto is an incredibly good player. Not the kind of guy you give up to clear a bad contract.
Empoleon8771
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The issue is Korpisalo's deal would be asininely expensive to pay to get out of. 4 years at $4 million for an .890 goalie is extremely unappealing. I honestly don't know if there is a team you can dump him to, just because the normal dumping spots (namely Chicago, Utah and San Jose) have their goalies sorted out already.
I've always had the opinion that Korpisalo is shit, the contract Ottawa gave him was terrible from the second he signed it.
Sidney the Kidney
One last time
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3 years left at 5.4mil per for the 30 yo. Sub .900 SV% last 2 seasons.
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Agreed which is why the "keep him and hope he plays better" or "buy him out since the buyout isn't that terrible" are the two likely options.
SomeDude
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As said, the cap is going up and is going to keep going up. There will always be teams willing to take on a bad contract for a perk. I don’t think it would be that crazy.
Plus, a buyout, while lengthy, isn’t that crazy. 1.3 in dead cap space in 4 years is not gonna be very painful at all.
Regardless, they’d be idiots to move Pinto just to get out of a contract. They should be building around guys like him.
KrisLetAngry
MrJukeBoy
Perhaps.
Pay a pick and then pay to get a goalie. Or just cut to the chase and get the goalie without paying to move the contract.
Cap is going up however you know what else is going up? Player cap hits.
When the cap goes up so does the players pay. Sure we will not have the flat cap for now however we are seeing moves where teams are making incredibly difficult decisions because of the cap.
Heck Hronek got 7.25
Zadarov is getting 5 million.
Contracts are increasing In this world.
SomeDude
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Which also makes the current bad contracts more palatable moving forward, no?
You’re always going to have a few teams in full tank mode like SJ is now willing to reach the floor by taking on bad contracts so they can keep sucking. In fact, we’ll be there soon enough.
Deport Ogie
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Joshua is poised for an overpay. I don't think there's going to be anything bargain about his next deal.
Empoleon8771
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Just to make it clear for why I think Ottawa would absolutely be willing to pay assets for Jarry, I think most people here agree that Jarry had a generally dud of a season for his standards last year. The difference in save% between Jarry (.903) and Korpisalo (.890) is 1.3%. There are only 2 starters in the NHL last year who were better than Jarry by 1.3% or better, it's just Hellebuyck and Demko. That's how bad Korpisalo was last year.
I think Jarry is a very middling goalie that has consistency issues, but "middling goalie with consistency issues" is a hell of a lot better than what some other teams have.
I think Jarry is a very middling goalie that has consistency issues, but "middling goalie with consistency issues" is a hell of a lot better than what some other teams have.
AuroraBorealis
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Can't agree with this. Korpisalo was 45th out of 46 goalies with 30+ games in GSAx last year. Jarry was 19th.
Ottawa's core is young. They can't afford to throw away years to garbage goaltending. They need to be progressing at this time.
Obviously he can turn it around, but it looks grim atm. He's a career .901 goalie with a big injury history anyway. Not much reason to expect a big bounceback.
Think I'd make a push for Saros in their position. Nashville have Askarov waiting in the wings and Saros only has the year left at 5M. They're probably gonna want to get a nice return for him before it's too late.
SomeDude
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Anyone who says Jarry has negative value is delusional. I don’t like the guy and it would be great to get rid of him, but he’s not negative value.
At the same time, he’s not returning a guy like Pinto even if we take another bad contract back.
Jag68Sid87
Sullivan gots to go!
steelcityassault
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Besides his brother being with the organization, but he's definitely due you're right
