GDT: Penguins Trade Deadline thread: What can we get for 3 packs of gum and a signed hockey puck?

We want?!

  • A shrubbery

    Votes: 25 22.5%
  • Chychrun

    Votes: 20 18.0%
  • Karlsson

    Votes: 2 1.8%
  • Some other big name player

    Votes: 1 0.9%
  • Gritty bottom 6 player

    Votes: 11 9.9%
  • Gritty bottom pairing defenseman

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Offensive bottom pairing defenseman

    Votes: 0 0.0%
  • Goalie

    Votes: 4 3.6%
  • Some crazy move out of left field

    Votes: 16 14.4%
  • To be sellers

    Votes: 32 28.8%

  • Total voters
    111
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Zirakzigil

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*** Keep this thread to Penguins related trades, rumors, rumblings, etc only please.***

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Keep NHL related talk to this thread please:
 

IcedCapp

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context is important. The premise for that post was to suggest that Sidney Crosby and the core in general have not won a playoff series since 2018. So I don't believe we owe them a damn thing at this point they've had five consecutive playoff series losses. I was talking to another poster and he was referring to the fact that we owe Sid every option possible to try and still win. Well, they've had the last five years to do something and they haven't made it out of the first round. Clearly it's not all Sid's fault, as I alluded to. Point being, at this point the run is over.


By your point of view, no one owes anyone anything in this world. The penguins paid Sid and Sid played.

That’s a valid point of view. A lot of teams are ran that way. Most, probably. The penguins will, one day, be that kind of organization.

The problem here is, for most people, sports isn’t a sanitary transaction. It’s not an emotionless situation where we pay money for tickets, they play, and we go home untouched.

Sid and Geno are a dying breed and the Penguins are perhaps the last of its kind - legacy players who were generational superstars who stayed with one team for their entire careers, a team that kept its core together through every up and down.

For most fans - I’m guessing, based on reactions - that means something to them. They want to see this to the end. Yeah, the team needs a rebuild. Everyone knows this. You’re not some genius for pointing out that they’ve had bad playoffs 5 years in a row. But that rebuild is gonna have to happen at some point, regardless, so it can wait until Sid and Geno retire.

Are we contenders? Nah. Probably a single digit percent chance they can even get to the finals, but if we’re gonna lose, it may as well be with these guys.

Also, not for nothing, the penguins have a lot of problems. Sid and Geno’s line are two of the top-20 in the league by fancy stats. They’re still good enough.
 

Big Friggin Dummy

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I think it depends. Boeser would provide a better "pure shooter", which might be better considering our lack of finishing ability. On the other hand, Bertuzzi's probably better at "creating" chances for his line, which could benefit our aging centers not having to do all of that for their lines.
Bertuzzi reminds me a lot of Zucker. I don't dislike the player, but I think he's pretty overrated around here. Dude's a third wheel on a scoring line or a really good 3rd liner, imo. /shrug
 

Big Friggin Dummy

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I'm sure it's a combination of Hextall wanting to see if prices drop and the team needing to wait the extra little bit for cap implications. /shrug

I wonder if Buffalo gets aggressive. Apparently the Blue Jackets are working on shipping Quick to Vegas. Chychrun's either gonna move to somebody who swoops in at the last second or he'll be a draft day trade. Or, Arizona will continue being Arizona and f*** the whole thing up again for another year.
 

DeadPuckEra

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Playoff chances are not dramatically changed because we are not expected to get past the 1st round anyway. But the team is obviously quite a bit worse.

Personally, I find it really boring talking at length about Penguins trade scenarios/strategies that would not be considered by any GM in the league were they in our position, much less our own.

But well, different strokes and all that.

Seems like the organization is intent on burning this thing to the ground completely. A behind the scenes rebuild should have been started in 20’ at the latest. Something like what Boston was able to accomplish. However, we’re heading straight for the gutter because someone feels like we owe it to Sid to build a team around him until he’s 45 or something.

Chyurchin, whoever else - isn’t going to change a thing. That will be exiting for a week and then the team is the same old team. One who’s running on fumes and nostalgia.
 

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Seems like the organization is intent on burning this thing to the ground completely. A behind the scenes rebuild should have been started in 20’ at the latest. Something like what Boston was able to accomplish. However, we’re heading straight for the gutter because someone feels like we owe it to Sid to build a team around him until he’s 45 or something.

Chyurchin, whoever else - isn’t going to change a thing. That will be exiting for a week and then the team is the same old team. One who’s running on fumes and nostalgia.
There’s really not a downside to getting Chychrun unless he becomes a cripple and never plays due to injury. He’s 24.
 

Big Friggin Dummy

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There’s really not a downside to getting Chychrun unless he becomes a cripple and never plays due to injury. He’s 24.
He's 25 at the end of the month, but yeah. I dunno. I think this team's getting two runs with Chychrun before you gotta either hand him a colossal contract with a restrictive NTC, or try and flip him to recoup some of the price paid to acquire him. With the way this team's been trending, I don't know that even the most optimistic believe this team's gonna have gas left in the tank by the 2025 playoffs. Again, at 27 you can probably turn around and move him to get some value back, but he'll be too old to build around for the next chapter (probably looking at a good five years minimum before this team's ready to challenge again, likely longer, putting Chychrun at 32+). Arizona's gonna try and play it smart and likely ask for the 2025 and 2026 1st rounders because they know this team's at the extreme tail end of the Sid/Geno era and those picks are likely to be top-10, maybe top-5.

I like Chychrun and whoever gets him is gonna be getting a very good player. I don't know that I believe that he's worth throwing every available asset this team's got to land, because I don't think he's as long-term an option as his age would have one think. /shrug
 
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OnMyOwn

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Seems like the organization is intent on burning this thing to the ground completely. A behind the scenes rebuild should have been started in 20’ at the latest. Something like what Boston was able to accomplish. However, we’re heading straight for the gutter because someone feels like we owe it to Sid to build a team around him until he’s 45 or something.

Chyurchin, whoever else - isn’t going to change a thing. That will be exiting for a week and then the team is the same old team. One who’s running on fumes and nostalgia.
Getting Chychrun is a move for the future, though. Not just now. Do people not see this? I don’t think anyone is advocating for trading assets for old rentals in some false idea we can get a cup this year.

If we do, great, but it’s not rentals we’re after. Which makes sense.
 
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Sidgeni Malkby

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I get this but Tampa, Toronto, and New York managed to pull trades. They weren't in any better position than us.
Yes, but the difference is the others were being proactive, while sleepy is being reactive.

I suspect the owners must have gone down on him to fix this mess, as what's happening right now isn't Hextall's norm.
 

IcedCapp

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I get this but Tampa, Toronto, and New York managed to pull trades. They weren't in any better position than us.
Look at the pieces Toronto moved. We don’t have a Sandin or an Engvall to move out for space. And we don’t have a ROR who wants to play here (that’s a big factor in all of this)
 
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Andy99

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Hopefully Hextall plays poker or at least listens to Kenny Rogers lol…he shouldn’t make himself desperate enough to outbid teams like CLB, who have more prospects and better assets, for someone like Chychrun…know when to fold them lol
 
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