Salary Cap: Penguins Salary Cap Thread: We suck again summer edition

[K Fleur]

Zucker played like shit here for years until his contract year. Let some other team regret signing him.

Yeah I know he was battling injuries while he was playing like shit. Don’t care.

 

[Jacob]

Zucker played like shit here for years until his contract year. Let some other team regret signing him.

Yeah I know he was battling injuries while he was playing like shit. Don’t care.

I also think the intensity he played with in the regular season this year is just not sustainable. He was amped every night like it was the SCF.

 

[Zbynek]

3 Devils UFAs I think could all fit in some way: Graves, Wood, and Tatar.

Engvall and Barbashev could help define the new 3rd line.

I have a feeling Bunting will get grossly overpaid. Honestly the dude is an assbag. Feels more like a Flyer type of player than a Pen. I'd prefer we go a different direction.

 

[Gurglesons]

Here are some buy low targets I'd be into from cap strapped teams.

VGK - Riley Smith
CGY - Kylington, Dube
DAL - Faksa
LAK - Iafallo, Arvidsson
FLA - Duclair
WPG - Appleton
SJS - Lebanc
BOS - Gryz, Clifton, Coyle

 

[Empoleon8771]

Bunting got a lot of his production the PP this year. He’s also somewhat of a liability.

I like him, but I’d be more targeting 3.75 - 4.5 if he is getting a long term deal like Rakell got.

Bunting produced basically at the same exact rate that what Zucker did at 5v5 and on the powerplay. Both had 39 ES points while Bunting had 1 more powerplay point than Zucker.

I also don't know how exactly he's much of a "liability". He was one of Toronto's top forwards analytically.

I'm a little leery of Bunting. Played a lot of his minutes with Toronto's star players. He played fine in those minutes from what I can tell, but I'm somewhat worried that he's a product of those guys.

You'd better be damned sure he can continue that here if you hand him a contract.

I mean is Evgeni Malkin not a star player anymore?

Bunting is only signing the Rakell deal if he really likes the GM, or the GM has incriminating photos. He too is a top 10 point producer in this UFA class, and he has a recent 60 point season and is only 27 to boot.

I think this is a bit of an exaggeration. I don't see why Bunting would cost any more than Rakell because you can apply all of that to Rakell from last year as well.

$5 million a year is the going rate for 50 point 2nd line scorers, and that's basically what all of Bunting, Rakell and Zucker are.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

I think Zucker would be a great third liner, but I don't know how you justify his price point in that role with the holes in this roster. Geno needs a winger who can bring some scoring potential, imo. I don't know that Barbashev, Bunting, Zucker, or Garland are good enough in that regard.

The entire 3rd line needs to be remade from the ground up to be used as the minute eating, cycle/shutdown line Sully wants. They need to perma-scratch Carter, they gotta dump Granlund or buy him out if all options are explored and the price to get someone to take him is too high. Then there's the issue of whether or not Rust continues to play at like a 45pt player who is also terrible away from the puck.

 

[SEALBound]

I’d prefer Barbashev and Engvall over Bunting just because of our lack of finishing but we should be after any of those three…and RFAs like Meier if he doesn’t sign w NJD

Realistically, I think we have room for two. I'd say, Barbs yes but not Engvall (in terms of Bunting or). That said, any or all three would be great additions to the roster.

Barbs or Bunting to replace Zucker. Engvall on the 3rd line.

 

[Jacob]

What’s Engvall’s projected salary on the open market? Maybe like 4x3.5?

 

[Gurglesons]

What’s Engvall’s projected salary on the open market? Maybe like 4x3.5?

Yeah probably somewhere in the realm of the McGinn and Tanev contracts and likely the same type of impact and frustrations as a player.

 

[K Fleur]

I think Zucker would be a great third liner, but I don't know how you justify his price point in that role with the holes in this roster. Geno needs a winger who can bring some scoring potential, imo. I don't know that Barbashev, Bunting, Zucker, or Garland are good enough in that regard.

The entire 3rd line needs to be remade from the ground up to be used as the minute eating, cycle/shutdown line Sully wants. They need to perma-scratch Carter, they gotta dump Granlund or buy him out if all options are explored and the price to get someone to take him is too high. Then there's the issue of whether or not Rust continues to play at like a 45pt player who is also terrible away from the puck.

Malkin needs Drew O’Connor who actually doesn’t suck, or something, but is being held back by a vindictive villain coach straight out of a degrassi episode.

 

[Big Friggin Dummy]

Malkin needs Drew O’Connor who actually doesn’t suck, or something, but is being held back by a vindictive villain coach straight out of a degrassi episode.

Keep an eye out for an emotional event happening during a team dinner.

 

[K Fleur]

Dubas needs to reach out to Putin, end the war with Ukraine, and form HFPens all time dream line of:

Kulemin-Malkin-Granlund

To quote @Empoleon8771 ”that forward group looks really solid”.

 

[Zbynek]

I think Zucker would be a great third liner, but I don't know how you justify his price point in that role with the holes in this roster. Geno needs a winger who can bring some scoring potential, imo. I don't know that Barbashev, Bunting, Zucker, or Garland are good enough in that regard.

The entire 3rd line needs to be remade from the ground up to be used as the minute eating, cycle/shutdown line Sully wants. They need to perma-scratch Carter, they gotta dump Granlund or buy him out if all options are explored and the price to get someone to take him is too high. Then there's the issue of whether or not Rust continues to play at like a 45pt player who is also terrible away from the puck.

I like Tatar as new Geno winger over all of those mentioned names. Tatar-Geno-Rakell would be dirty.

 

[SEALBound]

He may not get the spot here, right. It's Mike Sullivan.
What these wingers do in other situations should be our primary focus.

But if Jake's gone next year then maybe that door opens up.

I was thinking through what a Jake extension might look like and I wondered if if might curtail what Dubas spends in FA this year. It's a tough thing to judge. I'd be great if Jake took a $7mil x 6yr deal. It would be fair but we all know he could get more elsewhere. So it makes you wonder if sending him out for a couple things in return would be worth it.

Something like Jake, POJ for Hanifin, Dube, 3rd; then Hanifin+pick for Nylander. Just some things I was spitballing.

Others I thought about:
Toews+Newhook for Jake+POJ
Pesce+Jarvis for Jake+POJ
I even toyed with the idea of Martin Necas + 1st for Jake and then made a series of FA signings.

These were just thought experiments on if Jake's extension becomes a hindrance to filling out the roster.

 

[Zbynek]

Here are some buy low targets I'd be into from cap strapped teams.

VGK - Riley Smith
CGY - Kylington, Dube
DAL - Faksa
LAK - Iafallo, Arvidsson
FLA - Duclair
WPG - Appleton
SJS - Lebanc
BOS - Gryz, Clifton, Coyle

Yeah realistically we're going to need to bring in some bottom-6 guys by trade. The more under the radar the better. Especially if we're going to give Granlund the boot, we can't replace all those spots in UFA.

 

[Andy99]

I was thinking through what a Jake extension might look like and I wondered if if might curtail what Dubas spends in FA this year. It's a tough thing to judge. I'd be great if Jake took a $7mil x 6yr deal. It would be fair but we all know he could get more elsewhere. So it makes you wonder if sending him out for a couple things in return would be worth it.

Something like Jake, POJ for Hanifin, Dube, 3rd; then Hanifin+pick for Nylander. Just some things I was spitballing.

Others I thought about:
Toews+Newhook for Jake+POJ
Pesce+Jarvis for Jake+POJ
I even toyed with the idea of Martin Necas + 1st for Jake and then made a series of FA signings.

These were just thought experiments on if Jake's extension becomes a hindrance to filling out the roster.

Yes, it’s worth it…we can’t give a 30 year old Jake his next contract…hopefully we can find a trade that’s a win for the team

 

[SEALBound]

Yes, it’s worth it…we can’t give a 30 year old Jake his next contract…hopefully we can find a trade that’s a win for the team

I'm one, I did Necas+1st for Jake+2024 2nd.

Signed Bertuzzi and Bunting.

Bertuzzi-Crosby-Rakell
Bunting-Malkin-Rust
Engvall-Necas-Athansiou

Then sent the 1st out for Swayman. The idea behind Necas was that he will be the next 2C for us. And possibly future 1C after Sid and Geno retire. I figured with that in place, there would be a lot of interesting line combinations you could make.

Rakell-Crosby-Malkin
Bunting-Necas-Bertuzzi (what a nasty line to play against)

 

[Gurglesons]

Best roster I think I've come up with.

 

[AuroraBorealis]

I was thinking through what a Jake extension might look like and I wondered if if might curtail what Dubas spends in FA this year. It's a tough thing to judge. I'd be great if Jake took a $7mil x 6yr deal. It would be fair but we all know he could get more elsewhere. So it makes you wonder if sending him out for a couple things in return would be worth it.

Something like Jake, POJ for Hanifin, Dube, 3rd; then Hanifin+pick for Nylander. Just some things I was spitballing.

Others I thought about:
Toews+Newhook for Jake+POJ
Pesce+Jarvis for Jake+POJ
I even toyed with the idea of Martin Necas + 1st for Jake and then made a series of FA signings.

These were just thought experiments on if Jake's extension becomes a hindrance to filling out the roster.

Based on Dubas' presser and how he won't wanna piss Sid off while brand new on the job, I'm resigned to Jake lasting the year here, and probably getting re-signed. Sullivan will press for that too.

Some of those trades you mentioned have merit though, for sure.
I'd take the Colorado and Carolina (Pesce) ones. Doubt they would though.
They got no motive. Their formula works.

 

[AuroraBorealis]

I also don't know how exactly he's much of a "liability". He was one of Toronto's top forwards analytically.

The PIMS. I guess it depends how many were off-setting and how many penalties he draws.

Garland had 70 fewer PIMs last year. It needs to be at least considered when acquiring our winger.

 

[SEALBound]

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Best roster I think I've come up with.

That 4th line is putrid. Carter and Craig Smith are done as passable hockey players.

 

[Pancakes]

I mean is Evgeni Malkin not a star player anymore?

He is. The question is whether Bunting complements or is just a leech.

 

[Gurglesons]

That 4th line is putrid. Carter and Craig Smith are done as passable hockey players.

I think it is a fine 4th line to start the season out with and you can add in pieces as the year progresses as is the norm.

 

[SEALBound]

I think it is a fine 4th line to start the season out with and you can add in pieces as the year progresses as is the norm.

You are instantly a better team by not signing Smith and running Nylander there. Or Puustinen. Or even resigning Heinen or Archibald.

 

[Gurglesons]

You are instantly a better team by not signing Smith and running Nylander there. Or Puustinen. Or even resigning Heinen or Archibald.

That's the great part of having a player on a cheap 1 year deal.