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ChaosAgent

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Be Humble.

Sit Down.

Be Humble.

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BlindWillyMcHurt

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So I think what some of you are saying is that McCann could have done a lot better here were he used differently? Same with Tanev?

I agree!

Now... what POSSIBLY could have been the reason for that, I wonder?
 

BobCole

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Jared McCann isn't f***ing Sidney Crosby :laugh:

Jared McCann is a nobody, he's a pimple on Crosby's ass. To compare him to Crosby is just insulting towards Crosby. McCann's a nobody who's on his 5th team by age 25 (although I feel disingenuous including the Leafs here).

Don't be disingenuous. You know that I wasn't comparing Tanev and Crosby.

My point was that the team has looked like ass in the playoffs for several consecutive years, including the leaders. So to say, "well we can't keep [Player X] because they have sucked in the playoffs," is poor logic because by that logic we should also be getting rid of Sid/Geno.

Jared McCann is not a nobody. He's a cost controlled guy in his mid-20s who is finally realizing his potential. Hell, I'm not losing any sleep about trading him. I'm just failing to understand why would go out of our way to trade him only to *also* lose Tanev when we could have just lost one of them.
 
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Don't be disingenuous. You know that I wasn't comparing Tanev and Crosby.

My point was that the team has looked like ass in the playoffs for several consecutive years, including the leaders. So to say, "well we can't keep [Player X] because they have sucked in the playoffs," is poor logic because by that logic we should also be getting rid of Sid/Geno.

Jared McCann is not a nobody. He's a cost controlled guy in his mid-20s who is finally realizing his potential. Hell, I'm not losing any sleep about trading him. I'm just failing to understand why would go out of our way to trade him only to *also* lose McCann when we could have just lost one of them.

You're by definition comparing Tanev/McCann to Crosby/Malkin by making this statement.

Crosby and Malkin get a boatload more rope for struggling. McCann and Tanev are freaking 3rd liners.
 

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Currently, I don't see them building anything.

Maybe that's because the off-season hasn't even started yet and they've made a grand total of 2 moves so far.

They added a good prospect for a guy they didn't view as a part of their future, and got out of one of JR's terrible contracts (albeit a player they really liked).
 

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Maybe that's because the off-season hasn't even started yet and they've made a grand total of 2 moves so far.

I'm talking about a lot more than this week, take it easy. I don't like the direction the team has taken for some time now.
 

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Currently, I don't see them building anything.

I'm so confused why people are so upset.

Since Hextall has come in he's done three things.

Carter trade. Low cost, huge return.
McCann trade. Bad trade, but given the circumstances Seattle was selecting McCann so we got a return back for a player we most likely didn't want to give up.
Tanev lost to ED. Bad contract, solid player. Easily replaceable compared to the potential of Jason Zucker.
 

Empoleon8771

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I'm talking about a lot more than this week, take it easy. I don't like the direction the team has taken for some time now.

Hextall has made a grand total of 5 moves as Penguins GM so far:

1. Claim Friedman
2. Trade for Carter
3. Re-sign Blueger
4. Trade McCann
5. Expansion draft

Again, have some patience. We literally haven't even hit the first off-season with Hextall yet.
 

3074326

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I'm so confused why people are so upset.

I'm not upset, I'm just not sure what the plan is. Why are you guys so confrontational?

Hextall has made a grand total of 5 moves as Penguins GM so far:

1. Claim Friedman
2. Trade for Carter
3. Re-sign Blueger
4. Trade McCann
5. Expansion draft

Again, have some patience. We literally haven't even hit the first off-season with Hextall yet.

I don't like moving Mccann and Tanev. None of these moves help the Penguins win in the future, and the way the roster is being/has been built, it isn't going to win now either. I know the plan isn't finished, but I don't really see one yet.

I am allowed to have an opinion.
 
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3074326

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The plan is we were going to lose McCann for nothing so we got an asset for him.

We were always going to lose someone to the ED. Would you have rather lost Carter / Blueger or Tanev to ED?

I would have rather lost either McCann or Tanev.

Adios, guys. I'm not in the right mindset to argue about our favorite team today.
 
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chethejet

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Pens have new management. It is a duo emphasis. Stay competitive and build the system. Financial flexibility and quite frankly starting the disposal of GMJR favorites is where it begins. McCann, Tanev, hopefully Petts gives Hextall wiggle room. Plus he needs to get Poulin, Legare, DOC, Hallander PT in WB for 2022-23 forward group. POJ, Marino, Matheson is the core for the D as well. Jarry is a wildcard here but I do think that is where GMJR was pretty good judge of goal tending. I still think Jarry if he can grow and is driven to be the best goalie has the tools to do so. Jarry and DeSmith at times was a very good tandem.
 

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Don't think this team will commit one way or another (rebuild or go for one last Cup) until they know for sure what's up with Geno and his knee.

I'm personally not super stoked about the prospect of throwing more picks/prospects into the furnace in order to fuel some vain attempt at competing, and would welcome the "rip the band-aid off quickly" shift to a rebuild where we spend the next 18 months selling off assets and stockpiling picks and premium prospects.

I guess that's why I don't give a shit that we "lost" McCann and Tanev, to be honest. I'd like to "lose" more, like ZAR and Petts.
 

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I don't like moving Mccann and Tanev. None of these moves help the Penguins win in the future, and the way the roster is being built, it isn't going to win now either.

McCann wasn't a part of their future in the eyes of the organization. They viewed him as a luxury who would command a pretty big raise after next year. Tanev's contract blows and you can easily reallocate his money elsewhere while having ZAR and Blueger carry the 4th line. They got a good prospect for a guy who wasn't in their plans and got out of a fat contract to a bottom-6 player. I don't see the problem there.

I fundamentally don't know how people can look at this team, a team that has lost in the 1st round 3 years in a row, and be mad when they start making changes.
 

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The plan is we were going to lose McCann for nothing so we got an asset for him.

We were always going to lose someone to the ED. Would you have rather lost Carter / Blueger or Tanev to ED?
I think some people are saying they would have preferred to lose just McCann for nothing over losing both McCann and Tanev for a 7th rd pick and Hallander.
 

BobCole

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You're by definition comparing Tanev/McCann to Crosby/Malkin by making this statement.

Crosby and Malkin get a boatload more rope for struggling. McCann and Tanev are freaking 3rd liners.

No I'm not. For the final time, I'm saying that it makes no sense to cast ONE particular player as a playoff dud when the entire mf-ing team looked like garbage.
 
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ChaosAgent

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I don't think there is a singular plan for this team.

If they get better goaltending and good versions of Sid/Geno (closer to '18-'19 Sid or '19-'20 Geno) they could still contend. At the same time, the org is increasingly weary of throwing assets away in trades and I think frankly would prefer to take a couple swings in Free Agency where future cap space is the only thing at risk.

It's the end of go-for-it-at-all-costs but Burkstall are keeping that door a little bit cracked open. I don't love it but I get it.
 
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