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Speculation: Penguins off day talk thread: Yes, Sully is still the coach

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Pancakes said:
Well, a team can have strong underlying 5v5 numbers and still lose a lot due to other factors such as luck, bad goaltending, and bad special teams. And whether you buy the luck part of it or not the Pens pretty clearly check the bad goaltending and bad special teams boxes...at least so far.

I don't think xgoals are perfect by any means but I think they're better than traditional metrics.

And I still think (as I think close to 100% of the board does at this point) that Sullivan is long overdue to be replaced regardless of whatever underlying numbers the Pens are posting.
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Good players and teams will balance bad luck over the course of 82 games.

No NHL team or player has ever had a bad luck streak of an entire NHL regular season. Of course except Mike Sullivan coached teams post 2018.




Also Marty Straka when he was so injury prone he got weights and **** dropped on him.
 
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SomeDude said:
Also Marty Straka when he was so injury prone he got weights and **** dropped on him.
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Poor guy. I'll never forget that the very first game he finally came back from a major injury in (a broken tibia from catching a rut in the ice) he almost immediately got clipped in the face by Hedberg's stick on a clear attempt behind the net and shattered his orbital bone.

EDIT: Then later that same exact year his broke his tibia... again. Then came the weight bench incident that offseason. Yeesh.
 
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SomeDude said:
Good players and teams will balance bad luck over the course of 82 games.

No NHL team or player has ever had a bad luck streak of an entire NHL regular season. Of course except Mike Sullivan coached teams post 2018.




Also Marty Straka when he was so injury prone he got weights and **** dropped on him.
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Well that's the kicker question isn't it? Xgoals would have you believe that teams can and do over or under perform over a full 82.

Believe it or not the Pens have actually normally performed about in line with (or even in excess of) their xgoals under Sullivan. It was only last season that they woefully underperformed that metric.

It is kinda funny that the #1 and #2 teams in 5v5 xgoals so far this season are the Penguins and Oilers.
 
BlindWillyMcHurt said:
Poor guy. I'll never forget that the very first game he finally came back from a major injury in (maybe even the one you're referencing?) he almost immediately got clipped in the face by Hedberg's stick on a clear attempt behind the net and shattered his orbital bone.

EDIT: Then later that same exact year his broke his tibia... again.
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I was talking about when he was training in the summer with Milan Kraft in Czech and somehow managed the have a weight machine malfunction and it Broke a vertebra.

There was a period of time where Straka was our Kenny from South Park. Each injury was more insane than the last.
 
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Pancakes said:
Well that's the kicker question isn't it? Xgoals would have you believe that teams can and do over or under perform over a full 82.

Believe it or not the Pens have actually normally performed about in line with (or even in excess of) their xgoals under Sullivan. It was only last season that they woefully underperformed that metric.

It is kinda funny that the #1 and #2 teams in 5v5 xgoals so far this season are the Penguins and Oilers.
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I think there is something to be said about the Penguins losing games they should have won this year. The issue is this has been happening for years.

Since Sullivan isn't going to be fired, I hope they just go on a streak.
 
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SomeDude said:
I was talking about when he was training in the summer with Milan Kraft in Czech and somehow managed the have a weight machine malfunction and it Broke a vertebra.

There was a period of time where Straka was our Kenny from South Park. Each injury was more insane than the last.
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Yeah I corrected the timeline. It was a broken tibia from catching a rut, the busted orbital bone from his own goaltender's stick, re-broke the same tibia and then had a whole-ass weight bench dropped on him in the offseason while Milan Kraft probably stood there wondering WTF just happened.

2001-2002 was NOT a good year for Marty.
 
BlindWillyMcHurt said:
Yeah I corrected the timeline. It was a broken tibia from catching a rut, the busted orbital bone from his own goaltender's stick, re-broke the same tibia and then had a whole-ass weight bench dropped on him in the offseason while Milan Kraft probably stood there wonder WTF just happened.

2001-2002 was NOT a good year for Marty.
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But what was his expected goals per game?
 
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SomeDude said:
His only competition was when Ville Nieminen fell through a sauna door at home and almost bled to death.

The post Mario first retirement - pre-Crosby era was like the Wild West. Pens official message board was poppin’.
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Hahaha yeah... I was there.

It was fun in a gallows humor kind of way. CP just scrounging the bargain bin 24/7... Mike Eastwood, Brian Holzinger etc. Getting worked up about guys like Ric Jackman and Lasse Pirjeta. Shawn Lesky. Good times.
 
BlindWillyMcHurt said:
Poor guy. I'll never forget that the very first game he finally came back from a major injury in (a broken tibia from catching a rut in the ice) he almost immediately got clipped in the face by Hedberg's stick on a clear attempt behind the net and shattered his orbital bone.

EDIT: Then later that same exact year his broke his tibia... again. Then came the weight bench incident that offseason. Yeesh.
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At least he broke Thornton's wrist.
 
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Gurglesons said:
I think there is something to be said about the Penguins losing games they should have won this year. The issue is this has been happening for years.

Since Sullivan isn't going to be fired, I hope they just go on a streak.
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I think this also comes down to Sullivan needing to realize that simply "sticking to our game" isn't working in those situations.

Great, they're generating opportunities and carrying play, especially amongst the top six.

But I think they're going to have to slow the game down more often once they're up. Adjust to opponents, adjust to game flow, and protect Jarry even more.

Sullivan makes adjustments. We've seen it this year with the neutral zone play and forecheck against Colorado. We saw it against the Rangers two years ago when they couldn't hang onto the puck vs NYR in the regular season and then carried the play for long stretches in the playoff series.

The adjustments need to be more proactive and more frequent. If not, and they falter, that's on him.
 
This has got to be the dumbest article put out by a member of the Penguins press corp but there have been so many I could be wrong lol

pittsburghhockeynow.com

Penguins Blog: Are the Pens Too Much for their Own Good?

ANAHEIM — It was a historic drubbing. Never before in the Expansion era that began with the arrival of six additional teams, including the Pittsburgh Penguins, had a team been so helpless as to barf up 10 goals against in consecutive games. The Penguins gave the jobber a few shots early in the...
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Andy99 said:
This has got to be the dumbest article put out by a member of the Penguins press corp but there have been so many I could be wrong lol

pittsburghhockeynow.com

Penguins Blog: Are the Pens Too Much for their Own Good?

ANAHEIM — It was a historic drubbing. Never before in the Expansion era that began with the arrival of six additional teams, including the Pittsburgh Penguins, had a team been so helpless as to barf up 10 goals against in consecutive games. The Penguins gave the jobber a few shots early in the...
pittsburghhockeynow.com pittsburghhockeynow.com
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I mean it’s Dan K.
 
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Anaheim just came back and handed Vegas its first loss…going to be a difficult game for the Pens…
 
Andy99 said:
This has got to be the dumbest article put out by a member of the Penguins press corp but there have been so many I could be wrong lol

pittsburghhockeynow.com

Penguins Blog: Are the Pens Too Much for their Own Good?

ANAHEIM — It was a historic drubbing. Never before in the Expansion era that began with the arrival of six additional teams, including the Pittsburgh Penguins, had a team been so helpless as to barf up 10 goals against in consecutive games. The Penguins gave the jobber a few shots early in the...
pittsburghhockeynow.com pittsburghhockeynow.com
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He writes in such an annoying way.

"A little birdie told PHN that..."
 
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Pancakes said:
Prime Marty Straka was just a fun player to watch. Dude had a motor for days.
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One of the best Penguins ever. Absolute beast for us in that 3 year stretch from '98-'01. Averaged 23:35, 23:57, and 23:01 TOI / G in that 3 season run. What a tank.


I was there that night. Felt like the Igloo was going to collapse
 
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AuroraBorealis said:
He writes in such an annoying way.

"A little birdie told PHN that..."
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What a junk article.

"Turnovers by star players. Sidney Crosby and Evgeni Malkin were generous, especially in the first period."

Malkin and Crosby had one giveaway and two takeaways between the two of them. What's this dude yammering about?
 
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SomeDude said:
Here’s how many expected ***** I give for goals that never happened: 0.

I swear people are starting to value crap that never happened more than actual results and wins.

“I know we’re last in the East but we shoot a lot and therefore statistically speaking should have more goals so we’re actually pretty good just unlucky.”

Screw that. A team that loses a lot is not good no matter what kind of stats you can invent to try to prove otherwise.
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I agree with this post, to an extent.

If this scenario was playing out in a vacuum where it's an absolute anomaly I would say "yes, trust the process and don't panic"

But considering we're on 2 straight years of "BUT BUT EXPECTED GOALS!!" this is an extremely disturbing trend. It's not a statistical anomaly at all....this is how the team is coached and performs

I can't believe people refuse to see what is clearly in front of their face
 
This summary of the upcoming week is rather on point: Ducks have won 6 in a row and 5 third period comebacks in 11 games, most ever to start the season…they also just activated Killorn off IR…

Pens will be playing LAK and BUF coming off b2bs…Pens have to win 4 of 6 points this week or it’s pretty much over for their chances to be in PO position by Thanksgiving…

www.pensburgh.com

The week ahead: Building on a ‘get right’ game

The Pittsburgh Penguins continue their West Coast road trip this week.
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