Sidney the Kidney
One last time
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These stats are about as surprising as a Sullivan coached team showing up only 1 out of every 5 games.
Speculation: Penguins off day talk thread: Dont look now, but we are good again!
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These stats are about as surprising as a Sullivan coached team showing up only 1 out of every 5 games.
Hey he’s back…is there even going to be a GDT for the Edmonton game starting in 40 minutes, not that I’ll be watching lol
pistolpete11
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My hopes have been slightly boosted once again by Emily Kaplan's report that Dubas drove to his house to tell him directly about the trade. So maybe 20% if he makes it to UFA.
Gurglesons
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This is the first thing Dubas did right from my standpoint.
Holding out on signing Jake was the smart move.
Sidgeni Malkby
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We have no game in hands on Washington/Islanders, they are respectively 5/6 points ahead of us, and they are winning. Even though it's mathematically possible, they team psyche will have them limp to the finish line.
If we tank the rest of the season, we can probably hit top 5 draft.
However, we needed to trade off more players to do that, and my understanding that this isn't a great draft year, so who know what that comes out to.
This is a management weakness...
If we wanted to do a mini-rebuild, we should have made an off season plan (who to go after, contingencies, etc), sell off everything we don't plan on keeping (even for 4th-6th rounders, or spare change (ie. reclamation projects)), and tank the rest of the season as much as possible.
Right now we're in a situation where we didn't maximize our options for a mini-rebuild in the off-season. We didn't strengthen our team for the rest of the season. I mean, I think Bunting has potential, and seems at the level of Smith/Rakell/Rust (not Guentzel though).
I don't know what we are doing anymore
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If we tank the rest of the season, we can probably hit top 5 draft.
However, we needed to trade off more players to do that, and my understanding that this isn't a great draft year, so who know what that comes out to.
This is a management weakness...
If we wanted to do a mini-rebuild, we should have made an off season plan (who to go after, contingencies, etc), sell off everything we don't plan on keeping (even for 4th-6th rounders, or spare change (ie. reclamation projects)), and tank the rest of the season as much as possible.
Right now we're in a situation where we didn't maximize our options for a mini-rebuild in the off-season. We didn't strengthen our team for the rest of the season. I mean, I think Bunting has potential, and seems at the level of Smith/Rakell/Rust (not Guentzel though).
I don't know what we are doing anymore
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pistolpete11
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Because you don't want him back? Or because they needed to trade him to boost the system?
I think trading him was the only option, but now that they got what they could for him, I'd re-sign him if given the opportunity. Why not?
Dubas’ problem during the off-season was following Sullivan’s request for a defensive bottom six and filling it out with older vets…hopefully stops listening to the coach if he wants to do better lolWe have no game in hands on Washington/Islanders, they are respectively 5/6 points ahead of us, and they are winning. Even though it's mathematically possible, they team psyche will have them limp to the finish line.
If we tank the rest of the season, we can probably hit top 5 draft.
However, we needed to trade off more players to do that, and my understanding that this isn't a great draft year, so who know what that comes out to.
This is a management weakness...
If we wanted to do a mini-rebuild, we should have made an off season plan (who to go after, contingencies, etc), sell off everything we don't plan on keeping (even for 4th-6th rounders, or spare change (ie. reclamation projects)), and tank the rest of the season as much as possible.
Right now we're in a situation where we didn't maximize our options for a mini-rebuild in the off-season. We didn't strengthen our team for the rest of the season. I mean, I think Bunting has potential, and seems at the level of Smith/Rakell/Rust (not Guentzel though).
I don't know what we are doing anymore
pistolpete11
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The problem was keeping Sullivan.
They had a more offensive bottom 6 last year and still missed the playoffs.
Well he was never realistically going to fire Sullivan after just coming in to the organization where he was well liked
Sidgeni Malkby
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I wonder what it would take to get Sully to quit.
I mean, how many losses in a row can he face the press with a straight face. At some point, he will want to move on.
Big Friggin Dummy
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Part of the reason I want 'em to blow it up tbh. I don't think Sully would want to coach a rebuild, he thinks far too highly of himself to bother with that imo. And he knows he'd have his pick of jobs, so he'd just have to wait for a contender to come calling.
pistolpete11
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Maybe, but it doesn't matter what he did with the roster or not. Sullivan would f*** it up anyway.
Our only hope is that he recognizes that and does something about it
Agreed, this has been the biggest issue in generating offense. The team also lacks good forecheckers though, who on the team is actually effective at this? Crosby and Pulju? I can't really think of any else.
EVGENIMERLIN
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It’s his Achilles heel for sure. He never stops breakaways. It’s like he doesn’t get his feet set, he doesn’t challenger the shooter and he has no idea what to do. He panics
How much have we been outscored now...
30-5 or so? I don't think it's all just goalies ....
If they re-shuffle the B6 based on Sullivans "plan" it will be his 4th new B6 ... all of which have failed.
30-5 or so? I don't think it's all just goalies ....
Yup. If we see them do it again the next offseason. Then Dubas is an idiot and it's on him.
If they re-shuffle the B6 based on Sullivans "plan" it will be his 4th new B6 ... all of which have failed.
ChaosAgent
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EVGENIMERLIN
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As you said Dubas couldn’t walk in the door and fire Sully, that was never going to happen. He did seem to give Sully a lot more of the types of players he wanted and when it didn’t work (which it glaringly hasn’t) in theory Dubas would be able to make a case they need to change something aside from just players. Structure, support staff, or the head coach.
Dubas could be drinking the Kool-Aid and think Sully is a great coach and this just wasn’t our year, but trading Jake does send a bit of a message. It’ll come down to Dubas vs Sully this summer or possibly next and we shall see who wins. FSG gave them both a ton of money and years but somebody will on the hot seat by next season if they don’t look like a playoff team
GilbertSeinfeld
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I think Nieto is close to a return, but DOC is probably the more logical player.
Gurglesons
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Team wasn’t having success with him.
Same reason I’m good with moving on from Matheson, Marino, etc.
pistolpete11
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And things got better when we got rid of Matheson and Marino....?
The problem, or I should say the biggest problem, is the coach. Not the 40G point/game winger.
Gurglesons
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I really wish the team still tried to make the playoffs. Sid is emotionally tuned out, which just filters down the team and Sullivan doesn’t motivate anyone anymore. I hope someone sits down with Sid and makes sure he still tries the rest of the season. Maybe he goes to the world championships and stays motivated.
