Penguins fire Mike Johnston, Mike Sullivan named new head coach

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I agree Johnston had multiple problems in terms of coaching, but Crosby's sub-par play this year is the single most noticeable factor.

And that's just not true. Like I don't even know what else to say. Crosby's subpar play was one of MANY reasons for why MJ was fired. The most noticeable reason was the simplest one, the team as a whole wasn't performing and was out of a playoff spot.
 
It's so cute that you're trying to pin the coach getting fired on 1 guy. It's like you're not even trying to hide your bias.

Plot twist: MJ was fired because the team was underperforming and MJ spat in the face of the upper management and ownership by refusing to play the young players like they said they wanted. No, that can't be it though.

Pens fans did that everytime the OV coach killer thread came up. So..... now that the shoes on the other foot, nothing but excuses eh? Crosby the coach killer strikes again.
 
And that's just not true. Like I don't even know what else to say. Crosby's subpar play was one of MANY reasons for why MJ was fired. The most noticeable reason was the simplest one, the team as a whole wasn't performing and was out of a playoff spot.

So the captain couldn't fire up is teammates is what you're saying? :laugh:
 
So the captain couldn't fire up is teammates is what you're saying? :laugh:

Right cause the Capitals captain has fired up his teammates in early to mid May so well.

Or maybe team failures are on the team overall, and not individual players?
 
And that's just not true. Like I don't even know what else to say. Crosby's subpar play was one of MANY reasons for why MJ was fired. The most noticeable reason was the simplest one, the team as a whole wasn't performing and was out of a playoff spot.

That's not a single factor, that is the overall result.
 
Should have done it this time last year, it was so obvious that it was just a terrible fit from the start.
 
Why did the Pens hire Mike Johnston anyway? Never really understood the hiring at that time.

Horrific timing and a misguided view that the new coach had to come from outside the organization.

Not seriously considering Hynes makes sense if there were capable options externally...but there wasn't, so Johnston basically got the job by being just about the last option on the market who was willing to accept a two-year deal that wasn't already employed by the Penguins.
 
So the captain couldn't fire up is teammates is what you're saying? :laugh:

-Implying it's the captain's job to do that.

People seriously overestimate what a captain is supposed to do. It's not his job to make sure the team isn't playing like garbage, that's the coach's job.

That's not a single factor, that is the overall result.

That's the biggest factor for why MJ was fired. The overall result was MJ being fired. If you want to get into reasons on why the Pens were so low, just go look at the system MJ ran, the struggling PP and the awful defense before you go look at Crosby.
 
Right cause the Capitals captain has fired up his teammates in early to mid May so well.

Yea they were in the second round... where was Crosby again?

Or maybe team failures are on the team overall, and not individual players?

But when it comes to Ovechkin... it's the opposite right? I mean this is the exact reason why Crosby lovers chastise OV for not winning a SC right?
 
Anyone who coaches Kessel probably wants to avoid making any financial commitments in their host city. I'd be renting month to month and using a ride share program.
 
Ya actually the captain is supposed to do that. Either with leadership or leading by example. I get the impression Crosby is more of an example guy than a big time leader and his example has been pretty pedestrian this year. And most of last year.
 
Blaming Kessel for this is a cognitively weak opinion that fails to note many of the team's problems under Johnston predate Kessel.

1. Most of the time, it was a case of a coach trying to adjust players to suit his system rather than adjust system to accentuate the strengths of his players.

2. He was a piss poor bench boss. Like he made me miss Bylsma in that regard. He was that ******* bad.

Ultimately, a good coach, through system, adjustments, bench management, motivation, etc does pretty much everything in his power to put his players, especially his best players, in the best possible position to succeed by trying to have them play to their respective and collective strengths and away from their respective and collective weaknesses.

By that measure, Johnston didn't come close. He never did.
 
Horrific timing and a misguided view that the new coach had to come from outside the organization.

Not seriously considering Hynes makes sense if there were capable options externally...but there wasn't, so Johnston basically got the job by being just about the last option on the market who was willing to accept a two-year deal that wasn't already employed by the Penguins.

That Tocchet thing also was a cluster****. I mean, it basically was 'we've already given him a job as an assistant, so if you want to be head coach, it's a short contract and Tocchet wrapped around your neck'.
 
Yea they were in the second round... where was Crosby again?

I was referring to there whole careers. But hey if that 1 year sample makes you feel better then more power to ya.

But when it comes to Ovechkin... it's the opposite right? I mean this is the exact reason why Crosby lovers chastise OV for not winning a SC right?

No. Not for me at least.

Sorry that some Crosby fans have hurt your feelings to the point of forcing you to make illogical, and hypocritical(when considering the poster's fan allegiance) arguments/statements.
 
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Sullivan better become close buddies with Sidney or in 18 months he will join Jonston, Bylsma and Shero. As for Rutherford......worst GM still GMing. It will take carolina several more years to repair the damage he has done there.
 
I am doing no such thing. I am disagreeing with the Canadian journalist who implied this was Kessel's doing.

I've only seen this one tweet but based on that one tweet he is not blaming kessel. He's just stating that is the 7th coach in 10 season for Kessel. There's time he asks for it but come on really he is not blaming kessel.
 
Incredibly stupid and reactionary move, likely made after feeling pressure from fantasy stat watchers.

Make no mistake, there are a good amount of so called fans on here that would be very happy with 150 point Crosby/Malkin + 10th place (miss playoffs) in East every single year.

These stat watchers have been absolutely livid, and have wanted Johnston gone from the get-go. They never gave him a chance. Pens had won 7 in a row. There was still snickering towards him on here.

If he was actually bad, that is one thing. He wasn't. Look at his career winning percentage. .595 is good for 34th ALLTIME.

The guy that is replacing him is 96th. These "fans" don't want to absorb this information. It's all about fantasy stats.

Brutal mistake. Very good coach never given proper credit.
 
Incredibly stupid and reactionary move, likely made after feeling pressure from fantasy stat watchers.

Make no mistake, there are a good amount of so called fans on here that would be very happy with 150 point Crosby/Malkin + 10th place (miss playoffs) in East every single year.

These stat watchers have absolutely livid, and have wanted Johnston gone from the getgo. They never gave him a chance. Pens had won 7 in a row. There was still snickering towards him on here.

If he was actually bad, that is one thing. He wasn't. Look at his career winning percentage. .595 is good for 34th ALLTIME.

The guy that is replacing him is 96th. These "fans" don't want to absorb this information. It's all about fantasy stats.

Brutal mistake.

8th place finish last year, out of the playoffs right now.

Man, he's just done a masterful job.
 
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