Value of: Penguins blow-up

[Fatass]

Add EK and they can do a very somewhat fast rebuild. The assets coming back in theory should expedite things.

It will cost assets to move EK. He has four years left at over 11 per.

 

[Gurglesons]

Here is what I think the value would be for these players...

-Pettersson: 1 year at $4 million 2nd + Prospect
-O'Connor: 1 year at $925k 2nd
-Eller: 1 year at $2.45 million 3rd
-Rust: 4 years at $5.125 million, Penguins likely need to take a bad deal back - No value. Likely only way you get out is a a bad contract swap.
-Rakell: 4 years at $5 million, Penguins likely need to take a bad deal back - No value. Likely only way you get out is a a bad contract swap.
-Nedjelkovic: 2 years at $2.5 million - 4th

 

[GrumpyKoala]

I think it's evident that this team sucks and desperately needs to tear down the roster. The amount of trade chips the Penguins have is a bit limited, but I think the main ones are:

I think it's evident that when Crosby resigned, it came with a tacit understanding that they will not blow open the team before he retire.

 

[ManofSteel55]

Oilers would like to be in on Petterson and possibly replace skinner with nedelkovich.

If we're replacing Skinner, we need an upgrade. Ned is not an upgrade.

I'm on board with a trade for Marcus Petterson. I'd like to find a way to get Eller as well, but cap probably prevents that from happening.

 

[SomeDude]

Here is what I think the value would be for these players...

-Pettersson: 1 year at $4 million 2nd + Prospect
-O'Connor: 1 year at $925k 2nd
-Eller: 1 year at $2.45 million 3rd
-Rust: 4 years at $5.125 million, Penguins likely need to take a bad deal back - No value. Likely only way you get out is a a bad contract swap.
-Rakell: 4 years at $5 million, Penguins likely need to take a bad deal back - No value. Likely only way you get out is a a bad contract swap.
-Nedjelkovic: 2 years at $2.5 million - 4th

Now do it knowing Kyle Dubas will be negotiating these deals. If we get more than a 3rd for Pettersson while not taking a cap dump like Bunting back, I’ll be pleasantly surprised.

 

[Gurglesons]

Now do it knowing Kyle Dubas will be negotiating these deals. If we get more than a 3rd for Pettersson while not taking a cap dump like Bunting back, I’ll be pleasantly surprised.

That is with Dubas handling it.

 

[Canovin]

What's the cost for Blomqvist?

 

[SomeDude]

What's the cost for Blomqvist?

Why would we trade him?

 

[Voight]

This isn't a blow up, it's trimming the fat off the roster.

 

[KrisLetAngry]

What's the cost for Blomqvist?

I can't see a cost controlled goaltender being moved.

It'd be

DOC 900k or 950
Pool Party 700k
Petterson 4 mill
Eller 2.65

1 Year left on deals all good cap hits.

Karlsson - 3 playoff runs left. I can see Penguins retain let's say 4 million.

6 million dollar Karlsson people would be calling Pittsburgh up.

 

[CanadianHawks]

I think it's evident that when Crosby resigned, it came with a tacit understanding that they will not blow open the team before he retire.

Absolutely comical decision by the Pens. This team will be wandering the wilderness for a decade plus if they let this core see out these contracts.

 

[Coffee]

Easy pass from Detroit

We’ll add a pick

 

[Reality Check]

It was evident 2-3 years ago to blow it up. You just can't do that when Malkin and Crosby had no interest in moving on.

Pittsburgh is stuck until both of them retire.

 

[Lustaf]

Absolutely comical decision by the Pens. This team will be wandering the wilderness for a decade plus if they let this core see out these contracts.

That's the direction they chose 2+ years ago when they re-signed Malkin and Letang.

Let them ride out together into the sunset.

You can have an opinion on if that was the right move or not. It's not going to change that they won't be trading any of the three.

 

[bobholly39]

I think it's evident that this team sucks and desperately needs to tear down the roster. The amount of trade chips the Penguins have is a bit limited, but I think the main ones are:

-Pettersson: 1 year at $4 million
-O'Connor: 1 year at $925k
-Eller: 1 year at $2.45 million
-Rust: 4 years at $5.125 million, Penguins likely need to take a bad deal back
-Rakell: 4 years at $5 million, Penguins likely need to take a bad deal back
-Nedjelkovic: 2 years at $2.5 million

Karlsson and Bunting are also potential trade chips, but both need to start playing better for either to be worthwhile in a discussion (plus Karlsson would require significant retention and the Penguins only have 1 retention slot left this year). I think everyone else on the team is either untradeable, won't be traded or has no value.

A couple of ideas I have:

-Pettersson to Vancouver for Elias Pettersson (defenseman) and a 2nd
-Rust to Detroit for Copp and additional futures

Too complicated.

Plan B. Do none of the above, and instead fire your damn coach.

I don't even dislike him, I think he's a good coach. But all coaches have shelf lives in hockey, and he's way past his.

Also - Crosby & core are notorious for reacting well to coaching changes. Why in the world would Penguins not do this?

 

[Gurglesons]

Absolutely comical decision by the Pens. This team will be wandering the wilderness for a decade plus if they let this core see out these contracts.

Yeah, comical to reward the 2nd best player in franchise history that brought them 4 SCFS.

 

[Coffee]

Yeah, comical to reward the 2nd best player in franchise history that brought them 4 SCFS.

I don’t think he meant it like that.

Also , Gurgs, bobholly has a good point, Dubas will probably fire Sullivan before trading players

 

[Gurglesons]

I don’t think he meant it like that.

Also , Gurgs, bobholly has a good point, Dubas will probably fire Sullivan before trading players

I don't think it was a comical decision to sign Crosby.

To be honest, it's comical to trade their core players in Sid and Malkin. Everyone else is fair game.

 

[Zbynek]

I don’t think he meant it like that.

Also , Gurgs, bobholly has a good point, Dubas will probably fire Sullivan before trading players

Not like anyone outside the org would know for sure, but most of us on here stipulate Sully is untouchable, even moreso than Dubas who has 6 years left on his own contract.

Sullivan and FSG have that weird Boston bromance thing going on and FSG's chairman was just quoted 3 weeks ago as saying Sullivan is a top-2 or top-3 coach in the NHL. Or in layman's terms, "Sullivan is here to stay forever".

 

[Coffee]

Not like anyone outside the org would know for sure, but most of us on here stipulate Sully is untouchable, even moreso than Dubas who has 6 years left on his own contract.

Sullivan and FSG have that weird Boston bromance thing going on and FSG's chairman was just quoted 3 weeks ago as saying Sullivan is a top-2 or top-3 coach in the NHL. Or in layman's terms, "Sullivan is here to stay forever".

I'll wait for Gurgs or Empoleon to confirm this .. but wow if true

 

[Zbynek]

I'll wait for Gurgs or Empoleon to confirm this .. but wow if true

Both of those guys will definitely confirm, but also you don't need to look much further than the results from the last 7 seasons straight, where he pissed away the years our 3 HOF guys were age 30-37.

The leash Sullivan has is actually insane. Yes we won 2 Cups with him but they were his first 2 seasons with the org.

Also consider that during the transition period between Hextall and Dubas, Sullivan (despite also being on the hot seat, at least by local media and fans) advised on general manager moves and operations. As in, our org publicly announced he was helping out on GM duties. Doesn't happen a lot in pro sports.

 

[SEALBound]

What's the cost for Blomqvist?

He's our Askarov at the moment. To move him, I imagine Dubas would need to get an Askarov-level offer back which is basically a 1st round prospect and an early first.

I'll wait for Gurgs or Empoleon to confirm this .. but wow if true

I would say it's more lore in Pittsburghtown right now, but it's still accurate. I think Dubas DOES have the "power" to fire Sullivan. But I think with any coaching change comes a discussion with the ownership, and he's right. The FSG ownership LOVES Sullivan and thinks he's still a top-five coach in hockey. So when it comes time to have that discussion, it would be tough for Dubas to get FSG on board with firing him. So think Sullivan has a lot of safety that 99.9999% of coaches in the NHL history do not have.

I don't think it's a case of "Welcome aboard Kyle, first rule is you can't fire Mike Sullivan" though.

 

[hamzarocks]

He's our Askarov at the moment. To move him, I imagine Dubas would need to get an Askarov-level offer back which is basically a 1st round prospect and an early first.

I would say it's more lore in Pittsburghtown right now, but it's still accurate. I think Dubas DOES have the "power" to fire Sullivan. But I think with any coaching change comes a discussion with the ownership, and he's right. The FSG ownership LOVES Sullivan and thinks he's still a top-five coach in hockey. So when it comes time to have that discussion, it would be tough for Dubas to get FSG on board with firing him. So think Sullivan has a lot of safety that 99.9999% of coaches in the NHL history do not have.

I don't think it's a case of "Welcome aboard Kyle, first rule is you can't fire Mike Sullivan" though.

Askarov is a better prospect goalie with higher pedigree and potential and he didnt get that offer you mentioned

Got a 1st round prospect (B+ prospect) + VGKs 2025 1st which will be a late 20s pick

I cant see Blomqvist getting an early 1st rounder back (10-15 range) unless its a thrown in prospect only

 

[OilersFanatics505]

I don’t think some of you understand what “blowing up the roster means”

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

Askarov is a better prospect goalie with higher pedigree and potential and he didnt get that offer you mentioned

Got a 1st round prospect (B+ prospect) + VGKs 2025 1st which will be a late 20s pick

I cant see Blomqvist getting an early 1st rounder back (10-15 range) unless its a thrown in prospect only

Why would a rebuilding team with no reliable starter trade a promising 22 year old goalie?

That's what rebuilding teams need, not what they're looking to deal.

Nevermind that Askarov publicly asked for a trade, which affects value.