TSN: Pearson traded to Pittsburgh

[deaderhead28]

Everyone needs to calm down and look at the bright side: Tanner Pearson is the new Matt Frattin, except this time we aren't trading for him.

I'm just afraid instead of making the right moves,Blake's going to force moves.Kings cant afford to blow these trades.

 

[SettlementRichie10]

Wasn't a pivot at all. In short, I'm calling out the notion that anyone predicted the Kings would be this bad, because a group of posters are using that as leverage against other posters instead of against the situation as a whole.

There's a whole lot of range between 'bubble playoff team' and '31st place' that accommodates a whole range of retooling, rebuilding, or staying the course philosophies so this "I told you all they were bad, we need to rebuild" stuff insinuating other posters are dumb for feeling differently is just smug ego *********ion. Which is funny because the folks that WERE proponents of a rebuild even last year ARENT taking that sharp of an attitude now.

I'm imagining this is just all reactionary and people are pissed about the state of the team, believe me, I get that. But the "I was right" attitudes aren't productive at all.

And to the post, yes, this is a not-great team playing terribly bad. But they aren't this bad.

Who predicted what in regards to standings is irrelevant. The core argument here is full rebuild vs. retool vs. “this is a contending core.” And those advocating for a full rebuild are vindicated more than ever by this dreadful start. You can’t deny that.

It doesn’t matter who predicted what in the standings. That’s window dressing to the foundational, directional argument for the franchise. Even I couched my 18/19 predictions with, “they may make the playoffs if everything goes right.”

I only use the aforementioned “full rebuild vindication” as egotistical leverage against certain, specific posters who have their heads buried in the sand. Is that some sort of anger projection? Am I just upset with the team? Probably. We all are. But that doesn’t make it wrong.

Continuing to peddle this meme of “potential on paper” damages intelligent discourse. It’s exactly what Luc/AEG are exploiting to sell the wider fanbase on the fever dream of “this is a contending core.” Some of us are sick of being lied to about that, and to hear the same lies from fellow fans is frustrating.

Frankly, I’m HAPPY we’re in dead last. We have a legitimate chance of drafting Jack Hughes, who would be our best prospect since Drew freakin’ Doughty. It’s way better than the black hole, that’s for sure, though it makes the meat of the regular season far less interesting.

 

[LAKings88]

Bottom line is this team is stale and done.

It’s gonna be a long tough year.

I hope Blake has enough sense to see it and will burn it down at the deadline.

Everything should be on the table.

Hughes is badly needed in LA. Make it happen Gary.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

Who predicted what in regards to standings is irrelevant. The core argument here is full rebuild vs. retool vs. “this is a contending core.” And those advocating for a full rebuild are vindicated more than ever by this dreadful start. You can’t deny that.

It doesn’t matter who predicted what in the standings. That’s window dressing to the foundational, directional argument for the franchise. Even I couched my 18/19 predictions with, “they may make the playoffs if everything goes right.”

I only use the aforementioned “full rebuild vindication” as egotistical leverage against certain, specific posters who have their heads buried in the sand. Is that some sort of anger projection? Am I just upset with the team? Probably. We all are. But that doesn’t make it wrong.

Continuing to peddle this meme of “potential on paper” damages intelligent discourse. It’s exactly what Luc/AEG are exploiting to sell the wider fanbase on the fever dream of “this is a contending core.” Some of us are sick of being lied to about that, and to hear the same lies from fellow fans is frustrating.

Frankly, I’m HAPPY we’re in dead last. We have a legitimate chance of drafting Jack Hughes, who would be our best prospect since Drew freakin’ Doughty. It’s way better than the black hole, that’s for sure, though it makes the meat of the regular season far less interesting.

I go back to this is hindsight is 20/20 typical, see I knew I was right BS....

I don't think alot here know what a "contending" core is, as much as that is thrown around, everyone brings up SJ....why what the hell have they won since they have been in the league? They are in the same exact boat as LA is in, except they don't have the Cups to prove it...

The league is changing, no doubt, and the Kings haven't done a good job of changing with it, no doubt, but does anyone SERIOUSLY think that Las Vegas had a "contending core" last year? Hell, even Washington? No...not many people where thinking Washington as Cup winners, you heard Winnipeg, NSH, TOR, PIT, washington was mentioned as a east finalist, by a few....

What exactly is a contending core? If a hart finalist, a norris trophy winner, and a vezina winner isn't a contending core? What is? I think K17 mentioned that people failed to take in...depreciation on players...it's not that depreciation isn't factored, it's that it's so damn hard to predict... Anyone here predict Kopitar's start this year? How about Kovalchuk's? Anyone predict that AMADIO would lead the team in scoring in the pre-season?

The problem isn't that this isn't a contending core, it's that they aren't playing up to the standard that they set, and everyone else are playing as damn passengers....

It's just amazing the amount of 20/20 hindsight pat on the backs that people give around here...

 

[kingsholygrail]

Looking forward to the Thank you Pearson game against the Penguins.

 

[KINGS17]

hind·sight
/ˈhīn(d)ˌsīt/
noun

1. understanding of a situation or event only after it has happened or developed.
   "with hindsight, I should never have gone"

fore·sight
/ˈfôrˌsīt/
noun

1. the ability to predict or the action of predicting what will happen or be needed in the future.
   "he had the foresight to check that his escape route was clear"
   

   synonyms:

   forethought, planning, farsightedness, vision, anticipation, prudence, care, caution, precaution, readiness, preparedness "my lack of foresight has cost me dearly"

   [TBODY] [/TBODY]

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

hind·sight
/ˈhīn(d)ˌsīt/
noun

1. understanding of a situation or event only after it has happened or developed.
   "with hindsight, I should never have gone"

fore·sight
/ˈfôrˌsīt/
noun

1. the ability to predict or the action of predicting what will happen or be needed in the future.
   "he had the foresight to check that his escape route was clear"
   

   synonyms:

   forethought, planning, farsightedness, vision, anticipation, prudence, care, caution, precaution, readiness, preparedness "my lack of foresight has cost me dearly"

   [TBODY] [/TBODY]

Again...context matters, perspective matters.....

You are looking BACK at things and saying, he should have had foresight,

Yea, he should have foreseen that Kopitar would be this bad, that the team that had the best defense in the league, would forget out to play defense,

That is what you want people to believe, cmon man...be realistic for once.....

LA league best goals against last year, top ten shots against last year, top 3 in save percentage last year,

You want people to believe that Blake should have had the foresight to see that group....turn into what he has now?? Are you serious?

 

[Herby]

That is a favorite messageboard thing, whenever anyone is critical of anything just throw out the hindsight argument. Even if many of those same people being critical were critical at the time of the things happening. There were a lot of people who wanted to start over behind the bench and upstairs and were not happy with Blake/Stevens promotions.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

That is a favorite messageboard thing, whenever anyone is critical of anything just throw out the hindsight argument. Even if many of those same people being critical were critical at the time of the things happening. There were a lot of people who wanted to start over behind the bench and upstairs and were not happy with Blake/Stevens promotions.

LOL Herby, yes, there were, and there were a lot of people that were ok with it....and?

It doesn't draw from the fact that K17, maybe yourself, want people to believe that Blake should have had the foresight that the league's best defense, turns into the league's worst defense....overnight....

It defies common sense, A. that it happened, but B. that it could be foretold

 

[KINGS17]

No, I am pointing out just as SR10 did that many here had the foresight to know the core of this roster was not going to contend, and that the window would be closed.

I didn't predict Kopitar would be this bad. I did say it was a bad idea for management to give him a contract with an 8-year term. If that meant he couldn't be signed to a reasonable 5-year deal, then it's time for a trade.

I have been saying for well over two years this team was not a contender, and would be a black hole team. It's revisionist history to say I said otherwise. This is an extremely top heavy roster and the amount of cap space committed to the 4-5 highest paid players, along with their age, made it very likely the Kings would be mediocre. The only thing people didn't foresee is they would be far less than mediocre.

 

[Herby]

I believe that after the Kings got destroyed in the playoffs and had one playoff win in the last four years that maybe Blake should have realized that the team sucks and is nowhere near contender status.

Blake inherited a horrendous situation from DL, but it's been a year and a half now, including two offseasons, Blake has plenty of his own equity in this mess.

 

[BigKing]

Nobody is looking at the GM of an NHL team in hindsight when saying they should have foresight.

If you don't need foresight to be an effective GM, most of HF can send their resumes in tomorrow.

 

[Little Psycho]

You know what the scary thing is? I think the team is so tuned out that this isn't gonna faze them from their shity game

 

[KINGS17]

LOL Herby, yes, there were, and there were a lot of people that were ok with it....and?

It doesn't draw from the fact that K17, maybe yourself, want people to believe that Blake should have had the foresight that the league's best defense, turns into the league's worst defense....overnight....

It defies common sense, A. that it happened, but B. that it could be foretold

No one is talking about Blake having foresight. I can't control Blake's level of intelligence, and I sure don't know all of his motives.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

No, I am pointing out just as SR10 did that many here had the foresight to know the core of this roster was not going to contend, and that the window would be closed.

I didn't predict Kopitar would be this bad. I did say it was a bad idea for management to give him a contract with an 8-year term. If that meant he couldn't be signed to a reasonable 5-year deal, then it's time for a trade.

I have been saying for well over two years this team was not a contender, and would be a black hole team. It's revisionist history to say I said otherwise. This is an extremely top heavy roster and the amount of cap space committed to the 4-5 highest paid players, along with their age, made it very likely the Kings would be mediocre. The only thing people didn't foresee is they would be far less than mediocre.

Which again goes back to what I was saying to SettlementRichie. Eventually, you'll be right. You don't get to (not you, others) pat yourself on the back for saying "I told you this team won't win another Cup." it's not a bold claim, just like saying a variation of "this team will be bottom 20" isn't. Chastising other posters for being right 4-5 years later? I thought this place was better than that. There is some intelligent discourse but it's buried in people breaking their arms to pat themselves on the back to feel vindicated about the team finallys ucking.

It won't fall below zero degrees in southern california this year. I'll check back in in January to be sure to point out how dumb you all are for not agreeing with me.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

No, I am pointing out just as SR10 did that many here had the foresight to know the core of this roster was not going to contend, and that the window would be closed.

I didn't predict Kopitar would be this bad. I did say it was a bad idea for management to give him a contract with an 8-year term. If that meant he couldn't be signed to a reasonable 5-year deal, then it's time for a trade.

I have been saying for well over two years this team was not a contender, and would be a black hole team. It's revisionist history to say I said otherwise. This is an extremely top heavy roster and the amount of cap space committed to the 4-5 highest paid players, along with their age, made it very likely the Kings would be mediocre. The only thing people didn't foresee is they would be far less than mediocre.

Every contender is top heavy, cmon man...not sure where you want to draw the line, 4 million, 5 million?

Pittsburgh, they have 6 players over 5 million, 8 over 4 million, and 12 close to 3.75 etc,
Washington, they have 9 players over 5 million, 10 over 3 million etc,
Winnipeg, they have 8 players over 5 million, 8 over 4 million etc,

And Los Angeles, 7 over 5 million, 9 over 4 million,

You think LA is the only team top heavy?

The issue isn't that they are top heavy, the issue is they are playing like shit....complete and utter shit, their defense, the staple of that team has disappeared, and people want to act like that was coming all long....

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

Which again goes back to what I was saying to SettlementRichie. Eventually, you'll be right. You don't get to (not you, others) pat yourself on the back for saying "I told you this team won't win another Cup." it's not a bold claim, just like saying a variation of "this team will be bottom 20" isn't. Chastising other posters for being right 4-5 years later? I thought this place was better than that. There is some intelligent discourse but it's buried in people breaking their arms to pat themselves on the back to feel vindicated about the team finallys ucking.

It won't fall below zero degrees in southern california this year. I'll check back in in January to be sure to point out how dumb you all are for not agreeing with me.

Lucky you, it was -8 here

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

No one is talking about Blake having foresight. I can't control Blake's level of intelligence, and I sure don't know all of his motives.

Absolutely they are....they are saying he should have known that this team was going to suck, the defense disappear, he should have traded Pearson earlier...he should have done this earlier etc...that's nonsense....

Look around the league, compare the talent level to what LA has....it's comparable.....the play isn't, I'm not saying it is...but hell if Winnipeg's defense disappeared and their players didnt play together as a unit, they'd be in the same damn boat....

 

[KINGS17]

Which again goes back to what I was saying to SettlementRichie. Eventually, you'll be right. You don't get to (not you, others) pat yourself on the back for saying "I told you this team won't win another Cup." it's not a bold claim, just like saying a variation of "this team will be bottom 20" isn't. Chastising other posters for being right 4-5 years later? I thought this place was better than that. There is some intelligent discourse but it's buried in people breaking their arms to pat themselves on the back to feel vindicated about the team finallys ucking.

It won't fall below zero degrees in southern california this year. I'll check back in in January to be sure to point out how dumb you all are for not agreeing with me.

Eventually? The Kings have only won a single playoff game since the 2014 cup. I was all for going for it again in 2014-15, but after that I couldn't see the Kings being legit contenders. What should a GM do in that case? Be anything but a black hole team, and if your team isn't a contender you know what should be done.

Every contender is top heavy, cmon man...not sure where you want to draw the line, 4 million, 5 million?

Pittsburgh, they have 6 players over 5 million, 8 over 4 million, and 12 close to 3.75 etc,
Washington, they have 9 players over 5 million, 10 over 3 million etc,
Winnipeg, they have 8 players over 5 million, 8 over 4 million etc,

And Los Angeles, 7 over 5 million, 9 over 4 million,

You think LA is the only team top heavy?

The issue isn't that they are top heavy, the issue is they are playing like ****....complete and utter ****, their defense, the staple of that team has disappeared, and people want to act like that was coming all long....

Not every contender is top heavy. If fact most contenders have some heavy contributors still on ELCs. Winnipeg has Laine and Connor on ELCs. Nashville has Fiala ELC and Saros on a very reasonable deal. There are more examples, but I will let you do your own homework.

The issue for the Kings is they are top heavy and old, with not enough young contributors on ELCs. Yes, Blake should be able to see it.

Absolutely they are....they are saying he should have known that this team was going to suck, the defense disappear, he should have traded Pearson earlier...he should have done this earlier etc...that's nonsense....

Look around the league, compare the talent level to what LA has....it's comparable.....the play isn't, I'm not saying it is...but hell if Winnipeg's defense disappeared and their players didnt play together as a unit, they'd be in the same damn boat....

No, they are saying in their opinion back as much as two years ago, they believed the team would no longer contend with this core. By extension, yes they think Lombardi and Blake should have seen that as well. If a fan on a message board can see it, you would think they can as well, but maybe Robitaille and Blake have a different agenda.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

Eventually? The Kings have only won a single playoff game since the 2014 cup. I was all for going for it again in 2014-15, but after that I couldn't see the Kings being legit contenders. What should a GM do in that case? Be anything but a black hole team, and if your team isn't a contender you know what should be done.



No, they are saying in their opinion back as much as two years ago, they believed the team would no longer contend with this core. By extension, yes they think Lombardi and Blake should have seen that as well. If a fan on a message board can see it, you would think they can as well, but maybe Robitaille and Blake have a different agenda.

Again...no one saw the bottom falling out of the defense, and the forwards forgetting how to play with each other....that's the issue.....

This is the talent that LA has on the team, Kopitar, Brown, Kovalchuk, Carter, Toffoli, Doughty, Muzzin, Martinez.....supporting cast, Iafallo, Kempe, Lewis, Clifford, Thompson, Luff, Forbort, Phaneuf, Fantenberg, etc...

Again, you take Winnipeg, and Laine forgetting how to score, Schiefele not playing well, Connor slumping, Wheeler being hesitant etc, their D forgetting how to play D and you think they aren't in the same boat? Would you be for blowing them up?

I;m not saying changes shouldn't be made, hell, I'm not even saying they are playing good.....what I am saying for the umpteenth time is that you can't look at that roster, and compare it to other NHL teams, and say yea, that's a shit roster, we won't do anything with that.... for whatever reason the team isn't playing, isn't playing defense, isn't playing offense...it's not doing anything, but to say, yea, I saw that coming...is utter BS.

 

[Telos]

While I agree that Pearson had to go, I disagree with this deal and what it represents. This deal says we are still contending. It's hard not to question asset management. He was valued really low, but I would have rather of dumped him for futures. We need to unload dead weight. Hagelin isn't going to be much different.

 

[KINGS17]

Again...no one saw the bottom falling out of the defense, and the forwards forgetting how to play with each other....that's the issue.....

This is the talent that LA has on the team, Kopitar, Brown, Kovalchuk, Carter, Toffoli, Doughty, Muzzin, Martinez.....supporting cast, Iafallo, Kempe, Lewis, Clifford, Thompson, Luff, Forbort, Phaneuf, Fantenberg, etc...

Again, you take Winnipeg, and Laine forgetting how to score, Schiefele not playing well, Connor slumping, Wheeler being hesitant etc, their D forgetting how to play D and you think they aren't in the same boat? Would you be for blowing them up?

I;m not saying changes shouldn't be made, hell, I'm not even saying they are playing good.....what I am saying for the umpteenth time is that you can't look at that roster, and compare it to other NHL teams, and say yea, that's a **** roster, we won't do anything with that.... for whatever reason the team isn't playing, isn't playing defense, isn't playing offense...it's not doing anything, but to say, yea, I saw that coming...is utter BS.

You're wrong and for the last time, many people posting here did look at the Kings roster, the cap hits of players on the roster, and the Kings prospects and said they are no better than a black hole team. Who cares if the exact level of suckage wasn't predicted. Just knowing the Kings were not and are not contenders signaled it was time to start turning over the roster.

You bring up Winnipeg. They are still sitting in a playoff spot and some of their best YOUNG players aren't having a good start to the season. How you can compare the two and suggest I would think it's time to blow the Jets up just shows you don't comprehend what I am posting.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

While I agree that Pearson had to go, I disagree with this deal and what it represents. This deal says we are still contending. It's hard not to question asset management. He was valued really low, but I would have rather of dumped him for futures. We need to unload dead weight. Hagelin isn't going to be much different.

No he's not, he's also not going to be around next year like Pearson would have been, don't you see that?

 

[King'sPawn]

Which again goes back to what I was saying to SettlementRichie. Eventually, you'll be right. You don't get to (not you, others) pat yourself on the back for saying "I told you this team won't win another Cup." it's not a bold claim, just like saying a variation of "this team will be bottom 20" isn't. Chastising other posters for being right 4-5 years later? I thought this place was better than that. There is some intelligent discourse but it's buried in people breaking their arms to pat themselves on the back to feel vindicated about the team finallys ucking.

It won't fall below zero degrees in southern california this year. I'll check back in in January to be sure to point out how dumb you all are for not agreeing with me.

This has been my biggest contention. Just because people are eventually right doesn't mean they weren't jumping the gun/wrong for making claims back in 2014.

Trading Pearson was overdue; maybe not him specifically, but the Kings kept too many players together for too long. Some moves should have been made.

I was willing to give Blake last year, just like BigKing, to sit back and evaluate the team's response to firing Sutter. But trading Gaborik for Phaneuf, while helpful, didn't address underlying problems with the team.

 

[GoldenBearHockey]

You're wrong and for the last time, many people posting here did look at the Kings roster, the cap hits of players on the roster, and the Kings prospects and said they are no better than a black hole team. Who cares if the exact level of suckage wasn't predicted. Just knowing the Kings were not and are not contenders signaled it was time to start turning over the roster.

You bring up Winnipeg. They are still sitting in a playoff spot and some of their best YOUNG players aren't having a good start to the season. How you can compare the two and suggest I would think it's time to blow the Jets up just shows you don't comprehend what I am posting.

Seriously? Winnipeg's young players aren't having a good start?

Schiefele, 19 points, 16 games
Connor, 13 points, 16 games
Laine, 10 point, 16 games (8 goals)
Ehlers, 8 points, 16 games

Seems like a damn good start to me,

That's just their young players, how about Wheeler? 23 points, 16 games, Byfuglien, 13 points, 14 games, hell ADAM LOWRY has 4 goals, same as Carter, Toffli, and Kopitar, and only one less than Kovalchuk, and he plays on their 3rd line...

Again, if Winnipeg's CORE players were playing like LA's right now....they would be in the same boat, or do you think that just can't happen?