PC Building Guide and Discussion #14

[PeteWorrell]

Sure but if this is a primarily 1440p gaming setup, 64 gb isn’t necessary. You could live with 32 gb or even leave it at 16. No game is really that hungry for system RAM.

Now obviously with a budget of $4000 you can get max out almost everything, my POV is moreso that it’s such a waste. 1600 to 5800x3D is like a 2.5x difference in a lot of games. It’s maybe the biggest upgrade you could ever do on a single socket without changing anything but the CPU. Yes obviously once you get the 5800x3D you have reached the dead end but so what? Jmo.

It seems that the person has a good budget and wants an upgrade that will last a long time. In that case, going to AM5 makes much more sense than staying on AM4.

A 5800X3D is the end of the line for AM4 while the 7600X easily keeps up with it on AM5 so imagine a 7800x3D. It also opens up the possibility of a good CPU upgrade down the line. DDR5 will also just keep gaining more advantages over DDR4 as the technology matures.

 

[aleshemsky83]

It seems that the person has a good budget and wants an upgrade that will last a long time. In that case, going to AM5 makes much more sense than staying on AM4.

A 5800X3D is the end of the line for AM4 while the 7600X easily keeps up with it on AM5 so imagine a 7800x3D. It also opens up the possibility of a good CPU upgrade down the line. DDR5 will also just keep gaining more advantages over DDR4 as the technology matures.

This is true, but if that’s the case then I would say spend even more cause the 4070 will probably bottleneck you right off the bat with this build.

I could be wrong maybe the 4070 is a good match for the 7800X3D but I don’t think so. I’d need to take a look at some benchmarks.

Edit:

My suspicions appear to be confirmed here:

Youve got a pretty sizeable GPU bottleneck pairing the 7800X3D with a 4070. Even at 1440p and sometimes even at 1080p

 

[Osprey]

For me, the issue with the 4070 is that it has only 12GB of VRAM. If I were not planning to upgrade again for at least 5 years, I'd want a card with at least 16GB. She says that she plays at 1080p, which 12GB is more than enough for, but she also suggests that she might like to move up to 1440p at some point, and 12GB could be an issue at that resolution in a year or two. If I were her, I'd strongly consider stretching the budget a little to go for at least the 4070 Ti Super (not the plain Ti, which is 12GB; the Ti Super has 16GB) or even one of AMD's 7900 series cards, if ray tracing isn't something that she cares about. That would also reduce the GPU bottleneck and give her ~50% higher framerates for only $200 more spent, which is well worth it.

I see your point that, if she's dead set on the 4070, the 5800X3D is a better match and she could save some money by re-using her motherboard. If she's set on upgrading to AM5 and the 7800X3D, though, she may just want to go all in and get a GPU with a little more VRAM and performance than the 4070. It sounds like budget isn't a concern, while longevity of the system is, so that seems to me like it may be the better option for her.

 

[mouser]

For me, the issue with the 4070 is that it has only 12GB of VRAM. If I were not planning to upgrade again for at least 5 years, I'd want a card with at least 16GB. She says that she plays at 1080p, which 12GB is more than enough for, but she also suggests that she might like to move up to 1440p at some point, and 12GB could be an issue at that resolution in a year or two. If I were her, I'd strongly consider stretching the budget a little to go for at least the 4070 Ti Super (not the plain Ti, which is 12GB; the Ti Super has 16GB) or even one of AMD's 7900 series cards, if ray tracing isn't something that she cares about. That would also reduce the GPU bottleneck and give her ~50% higher framerates for only $200 more spent, which is well worth it.

I see your point that, if she's dead set on the 4070, the 5800X3D is a better match and she could save some money by re-using her motherboard. If she's set on upgrading to AM5 and the 7800X3D, though, she may just want to go all in and get a slightly better card than the 4070. It sounds like budget isn't a concern, while longevity of the system is, so that seems to me like it may be better option for her.

Agreed. I'd highly recommend spending the extra ~$200 to get a 16GB 4070Ti Super instead of a 12GB 4070. Unless you're planning on buying one of the next generation GPUs in the next year or two.

That 16GB will probably give you a longer effective lifetime as game video memory bloat moves forward.

 

[aleshemsky83]

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One part of me wants to wait for the 5800X3D goes on sale, the other part of me says why wait for 300 measly Megahertz.

 

[Osprey]

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One part of me wants to wait for the 5800X3D goes on sale, the other part of me says why wait for 300 measly Megahertz.

That's a nice deal. It's $33 less than the price on Amazon, though there's $4 shipping.

According to Wikipedia, the base and boost clocks are both 400MHz less than the 5800X3D, not 300. They're 700 and 500 lower than my 5600X, which is disappointing. I almost wish that I had a 3600X or older so that I could justify the upgrade.

 

[aleshemsky83]

That's a nice deal. It's $33 less than the price on Amazon, though there's $4 shipping.

According to Wikipedia, the base and boost clocks are both 400MHz less than the 5800X3D, not 300. They're 700 and 500 lower than my 5600X, which is disappointing. I almost wish that I had a 3600X or older so that I could justify the upgrade.

Hmmm, doing more research its like an 8-10% downgrade from the 5800X3D, I feel like I'm just gonna wait for it to go on a deeper sale.

 

[aleshemsky83]

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This feels like a pretty good deal ngl

 

[PeteWorrell]

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This feels like a pretty good deal ngl

I don't know if there is a big difference between the Gigabyte B650M Gaming Plus WIFI and the Gigabyte B650M Gaming WIFI. Hardware Unboxed tested the Gigabyte B650M Gaming WIFI and it performed poorly. In fact, a lot of B650 boards are terrible so buyers beware.

 

[aleshemsky83]

I don't know if there is a big difference between the Gigabyte B650M Gaming Plus WIFI and the Gigabyte B650M Gaming WIFI. Hardware Unboxed tested the Gigabyte B650M Gaming WIFI and it performed poorly. In fact, a lot of B650 boards are terrible so buyers beware.

Had no idea, thats like a 30% difference in some cases. Smdh.

 

[PeteWorrell]

Had no idea, thats like a 30% difference in some cases. Smdh.

Bundles can be great deals but they can often be about sellers trying to get rid of bad inventory. I see that they have different bundles with different motherboards so there might be one worth a damn in there.

Edit: This one is more expensive but seems much better

https://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=26_1832&item_id=248774

 

[Osprey]

It appears to me that the main difference between the two Gigabyte boards (besides the Plus having 4 rather than 2 DIMM slots) is that the Plus has larger heatsinks. So, it probably doesn't have the same high temperatures as the non-Plus board (as seen in the HU video) and possibly has better performance because of it, but it's probably still not great because the VRM is low end. I, personally, would stay away from both boards and all budget motherboards. It's worth it to pay extra for a mid-tier board, IMO, not just for performance reasons, but for expandability options. It's nice to have more m.2 and USB ports than you need because, eventually, you might need them. When I bought my current motherboard, I had no m.2 drives at all, but wanted a board with two slots. 3 years later, I'm now using both of them.

 

[Osprey]

~16% IPC uplift, coming July 2024, AM5 platform support extended until at least 2027

 

[Osprey]

Tim and Steve visit the MSI booth at Computex and mostly go over new features of their motherboards. It's sponsored by MSI, so it feels a bit like a commercial, but is still very interesting to see things that are coming to motherboards (at least from MSI). I'd particularly like to see other board makers implement releases for the m.2 and GPU like the ones shown here.

 

[aleshemsky83]

~16% IPC uplift, coming July 2024, AM5 platform support extended until at least 2027

I expect the 5800X3D to go on steep discount in the coming months, glad I didn’t buy the 5700X3D.

 

[SolidSnakeUS]

No one showing off ITX motherboards makes me sad.

 

[aleshemsky83]

Just saw a deal so good it might actually be a pricing error. Its been up a while so I doubt it though.

https://www.newegg.ca/amd-ryzen-7-5800x/p/N82E16819113665

159.99 for the 5800X. If you price match through memory express it will be 145.99. I was going to wait for the 5800X3D to go on sale but I doubt it will get anywhere near this price to performance in the near future. I'll just wait for AM6 and move to AM5 when the time comes.

My only worry is that if this is in fact a pricing error that gets fixed in the morning memory express will cancel the price match. Whatever though im willing to risk it.

 

[PeteWorrell]

The 5800X has been out for nearly 4 years at this point. I don't think it's weird that it's been discounted this much after AMD has just announced the next generation.

 

[aleshemsky83]

The 5800X has been out for nearly 4 years at this point. I don't think it's weird that it's been discounted this much after AMD has just announced the next generation.

True, I’m sure they’re even throwing out an XT soon and are just clearing out stock.

 

[aleshemsky83]

Aaaaand it’s looking like it was a pricing error. Newegg.ca has delisted it and memory express is refusing to price match because “it ships from the US” no other site is updating their price.

 

[PeteWorrell]

Aaaaand it’s looking like it was a pricing error. Newegg.ca has delisted it and memory express is refusing to price match because “it ships from the US” no other site is updating their price.

Weird. Amazon had it at that price this morning but it's gone now.

 

[aleshemsky83]

Weird. Amazon had it at that price this morning but it's gone now.

Amazon likely has automated software for price matching. When Newegg delisted the item they switched back to the regular price. Newegg is now at the full price as well.

 

[Osprey]

I would just save up for the 9800X3D, which is now rumored to launch in September. Sure, you'd need a new motherboard and RAM, but a B650 motherboard and 6000MHz RAM is enough and should be even cheaper once the 800 series boards launch and everyone wants higher speed RAM to use with them. It'd cost you ~$600 more, but you have 3-4 months to save up and wouldn't have to worry about upgrading for a long time or bottlenecking your next GPU.

 

[aleshemsky83]

I would just save up for the 9800X3D, which is now rumored to launch in September. Sure, you'd need a new motherboard and RAM, but a B650 motherboard and 6000MHz RAM is enough and should be even cheaper once the 800 series boards launch and everyone wants higher speed RAM to use with them. It'd cost you ~$600 more, but you have 3-4 months to save up and wouldn't have to worry about upgrading for a long time or bottlenecking your next GPU.

$160 with a $145 price beat, it was just too good to pass up, I got greedy.

 

[Osprey]

$160 with a $145 price beat, it was just too good to pass up, I got greedy.

I get it. I'm waiting for the 9800X3D, but if I were to see the 5800X3D going for around $105 USD (what $145 CAD equates to), I'd be very tempted to jump on it, myself.