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There seems to be an issue with 7000X3D CPUs burning up on at least one Asus motherboard.



Seen multiple testimonies like that. Pretty crazy if it turns out Asus have some faulty boards and/or BIOS revisions that leads to your expensive CPU and motherboard imploding.

Edit: Megathread on the subject:


Here is the investigation from Gamers Nexus about AM5 CPUs and motherboards self-combusting for those that are interested.

 

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There's another version with the Z1 non-Extreme processor for $100 less, but I've heard that it's significantly less powerful and closer in performance to the Steam Deck. I'd definitely pay a little extra and get the one with the Z1 Extreme if I were to get the ROG Ally.
I'm intrigued. I was just asking around about the Steam Deck a day or 2 ago because I kind of want a handheld, but this seems like a no brainer as not only is it more powerful but apparently seamlessly works with Gamepass.
 

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I'm intrigued. I was just asking around about the Steam Deck a day or 2 ago because I kind of want a handheld, but this seems like a no brainer as not only is it more powerful but apparently seamlessly works with Gamepass.
I just learned that Logitech has one that works with GamePass and is only $300. It's probably a lot less powerful, but could be an option for those who don't intend to play demanding games.

 
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https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/13gp8w0/asus_removed_warranty_voiding_disclaimer_from/

ASUS has removed the disclaimer about voiding your warranty from the beta BIOS and, supposedly, also said that they'll honor the warranty if you flash it.

That said, that disclaimer is one that ASUS has always automatically attached to beta BIOSes. It's still ridiculous, but not something that they consciously added to this particular BIOS, like Gamers Nexus made it sound. GN probably should've done a little more investigation before making that video. Though the outrage worked, it wasn't really news.
 
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https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/13gp8w0/asus_removed_warranty_voiding_disclaimer_from/

ASUS has removed the disclaimer about voiding your warranty from the beta BIOS and, supposedly, also said that they'll honor the warranty if you flash it.

That said, that disclaimer is one that ASUS has always automatically attached to beta BIOSes. It's still ridiculous, but not something that they consciously added to this particular BIOS, like Gamers Nexus made it sound. GN probably should've done a little more investigation before making that video. Though the outrage worked, it wasn't really news.

doesn’t matter. ASUS had a large issue and were going to hide behind the warranty instead of fixing the issues. GN did a great job and called them out.
 

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doesn’t matter. ASUS had a large issue and were going to hide behind the warranty instead of fixing the issues. GN did a great job and called them out.
100%. f*** them for being a slimy as possible on this whole thing.

They should man up, program their shit right and provide good service. That goes a long way. But nope, I guess it's better to spend untolds amounts of money to make sure you do nothing.
 
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https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comments/13gp8w0/asus_removed_warranty_voiding_disclaimer_from/

ASUS has removed the disclaimer about voiding your warranty from the beta BIOS and, supposedly, also said that they'll honor the warranty if you flash it.

That said, that disclaimer is one that ASUS has always automatically attached to beta BIOSes. It's still ridiculous, but not something that they consciously added to this particular BIOS, like Gamers Nexus made it sound. GN probably should've done a little more investigation before making that video. Though the outrage worked, it wasn't really news.
The biggest problem with the disclaimer, is that they pulled every other revision and only left the beta on their official website. It sent the message that whatever version the user had installed was problematic but if they wanted a chance to fix it, they could try the beta but they were responsible if anything bad happened.

If the manufacturer shipped something that is faulty, the responsibility should not be on the user if they try a solution that is available on the manufacturer's official website.
 

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doesn’t matter. ASUS had a large issue and were going to hide behind the warranty instead of fixing the issues. GN did a great job and called them out.
They released a beta BIOS to try to fix the issues, so I don't understand saying that they weren't trying to fix them. Also, I don't think that we should assume that they were going to hide behind the warranty. They've been putting that disclaimer on beta BIOSes for at least the last year, and you'd think that a stink would've been raised by now if they weren't honoring warranties because of it. All that it takes is for one person whose warranty was denied because he flashed a beta BIOS to take to Reddit and then have that story picked up by media outlets like GN. It stands to reason that no one cared about the disclaimer before and that ASUS was honoring warranties in spite of it, but GN suddenly made a big deal of it, anyways, not realizing that it wasn't a new development.
The biggest problem with the disclaimer, is that they pulled every other revision and only left the beta on their official website. It sent the message that whatever version the user had installed was problematic but if they wanted a chance to fix it, they could try the beta but they were responsible if anything bad happened.

If the manufacturer shipped something that is faulty, the responsibility should not be on the user if they try a solution that is available on the manufacturer's official website.
I agree that their beta BIOSes shouldn't have that disclaimer, but it's been automatically added by their system whenever they upload a beta BIOS for over a year. The fact that this new beta BIOS got flagged with it in spite of ASUS pulling the older revisions seems more like an oversight than ASUS being "slimy."
 

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They released a beta BIOS to try to fix the issues, so I don't understand saying that they weren't trying to fix them. Also, I don't think that we should assume that they were going to hide behind the warranty. They've been putting that disclaimer on beta BIOSes for at least the last year, and you'd think that a stink would've been raised by now if they weren't honoring warranties because of it. All that it takes is for one person whose warranty was denied because he flashed a beta BIOS to take to Reddit and then have that story picked up by media outlets like GN. It stands to reason that no one cared about the disclaimer before and that ASUS was honoring warranties in spite of it, but GN suddenly made a big deal of it, anyways, not realizing that it wasn't a new development.

I agree that their beta BIOSes shouldn't have that disclaimer, but it's been automatically added by their system whenever they upload a beta BIOS for over a year. The fact that this new beta BIOS got flagged with it in spite of ASUS pulling the older revisions seems more like an oversight than ASUS being "slimy."

We are going to disagree. They never had an issue reported as big as the most recent one affecting a lot of users. They absolutely were going to just point to the disclaimer.
 

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We are going to disagree. They never had an issue reported as big as the most recent one affecting a lot of users. They absolutely were going to just point to the disclaimer.
It seems unfair to me to assume that they would've done the wrong thing, especially when the evidence suggests the opposite. They've seemingly never enforced the disclaimer before, they removed it within a few days of the conflict being brought to their attention and they told Linus that they would honor warranties. All of that suggests to me that they would've honored them, regardless. You might argue that the last two are damage control, but I think that the speed at which they did and said the right things suggest that they were never committed to doing the wrong thing.
 

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It seems unfair to me to assume that they would've done the wrong thing, especially when the evidence suggests the opposite. They've seemingly never enforced the disclaimer before, they removed it within a few days of the conflict being brought to their attention and they told Linus that they would honor warranties. All of that suggests to me that they would've honored them, regardless. You might argue that the last two are damage control, but I think that the speed at which they did and said the right things suggest that they were never committed to doing the wrong thing.
The bad publicity could have been avoided if after they reached out to GN for a discussion, they accepted that it would happen on record for the sake of transparency. Instead, they ghosted them and then contacted people to not send their fried material to GN. The second video would have never happened if Asus were simply transparent.
 
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The bad publicity could have been avoided if after they reached out to GN for a discussion, they accepted that it would happen on record for the sake of transparency. Instead, they ghosted them and then contacted people to not send their fried material to GN. The second video would have never happened if Asus were simply transparent.

Yep.

Thank god for channels like GN who call out the bullshit from these large companies and hold them accountable.
 

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The 4060ti is being universally panned by reviewers. This generation truly is trash outside the 4090 that is above and beyond everything else.
 

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The 4060ti is being universally panned by reviewers. This generation truly is trash outside the 4090 that is above and beyond everything else.
4090 is such a wild outlier. Yes, it's $1600, but the performance and capabilities of it are still absolutely crazy.

Feels like Nvidia put all eggs in that basket and said f*** it for everything else, especially in price. Seriously, f*** Nvidia with all the corner cutting shit on their cards to make you pay so much.
 

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It feels like Nvidia is deliberately cutting down the cards more than usual in order to justify the 4090's price and steer buyers towards it. It seems like they don't really care that the lower tier cards are bad value because they know that people will buy them, anyways. The GPU shortage taught them that people will buy bad value cards if that's all that's available to them and they're taking advantage of it.

I have to thank Nvidia, though. These reviews of the 4060 Ti are making me feel slightly better about my 3070, which beats it in a lot of games. Just when I'm eager to ditch it and Nvidia, they've given me reason to not feel so bad.
 
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Nvidia got slammed yesterday with the 4060 Ti reviews and AMD isn't faring much better today with the RX 7600 reviews. It only barely beats the RX 6600 XT that it's replacing and costs slightly more. Even at only $270 US, reviews are lukewarm, at best.
 

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Here I am rocking the iGPU on my 12400 waiting for something to give. Sort of been eyeballing the 6750xt lately though as I see them for as low as $530 CAD locally.

While I wouldn't mind something newer, I'm more of a PS5 guy and can't justify going much higher than $600, both to my internal reality check and to my wife.
 

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While I wouldn't mind something newer, I'm more of a PS5 guy and can't justify going much higher than $600, both to my internal reality check and to my wife.
You could always not tell her about it until she discovers that $600 is missing, at which point she'll be incredibly relieved to hear that you spent it on a GPU and not something else. :nod:
 
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Here I am rocking the iGPU on my 12400 waiting for something to give. Sort of been eyeballing the 6750xt lately though as I see them for as low as $530 CAD locally.

While I wouldn't mind something newer, I'm more of a PS5 guy and can't justify going much higher than $600, both to my internal reality check and to my wife.
Canada Computers are selling a 6750 XT for $500 CAD or a 6700 for $450 CAD. Pretty much tbe best deals you can get for cards that have some staying power.
 

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