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So I just ordered a new motherboard, ram, CPU and heatsink. My PSU and case are fine. I have 4 SSD's. I'd really, really like to avoid re-installing Windows. What are the odds my OS will just boot up after swapping out the motherboard and CPU? Does Windows become unlicensed after a swap like this?
 

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So I just ordered a new motherboard, ram, CPU and heatsink. My PSU and case are fine. I have 4 SSD's. I'd really, really like to avoid re-installing Windows. What are the odds my OS will just boot up after swapping out the motherboard and CPU? Does Windows become unlicensed after a swap like this?
The license might still work if the last time you swapped motherboard was years ago. Still, you will want to reinstall Windows. A different motherboard means different hardware that uses different drivers. You are just begging for general instability, crashes and bugs otherwise.

If you have 4 SSDs, then that means that you can save and store most things outside of the drive Windows is installed on. It should not take too long to get back up to speed.
 

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Lovely to see all the gamers leaving negative reviews on new games because they are in denial about the limitations of their high-end 8GB GPU. Spoilers: They better get used to it because it's only the beginning with all the Unreal Engine 5 games that will come out in the future.

From what I've seen there is a lot more wrong with the port than just the VRAM usage, there were issues with mouse camera movement, crashes even on high end systems, CPU performance, and literally an hour long shader compilation step just to name a few. Nobody is in denial when calling this game hot garbage
 

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My old man is about to retire, so for this birthday this year my mom and I got him the start to a build that can be his hub for his music collection connected to his DAC. He's a massive audiophile, like that and traveling are his passion, for years he's been using a Mac Mini as his media hub with an attached external hard drive. So, I agreed to build him a new PC (the Mac Mini has to be like 12 years old now), and we got him the black mesh Fractal Design North Case, a CPU (13600K), and a 4tb Crucial P3 NVME for a secondary drive (for all the music in Wav file copied over from CDs he's bought since the 80s). He loved racing games at one point, so once the lower to mid GPUs of this Gen drop I might stick one of those in there. Now, here is the issue.

I'm 99% sure this will work. But, anyone used a Fractal AIO with an LGA 1700 socket yet? I bought the Celcius 24 from Fractal, but annoyingly it didn't come with the bracket for the 13600k. I bought this as a solution but don't want to start putting it together, as last thing I want to risk is messing up the pins on the CPU or Motherboard. I have an extra Corsair LGA 1700 bracket from my build earlier this year which is also Asetek but I wasn't going to risk it. Just wondering if anyone has had to buy and use a bracket like this since their AIO didn't come with an LGA 1700 bracket.

 

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In the past whenever building a new computer I'd just take the boot/windows drive from my old system and install it as a secondary drive in the new computer.

These days I run separate windows(boot) drive and media/games secondary drive(s). All my data and document files are stored on a NAS. Creating a new windows(boot) drive for the next new computer isn't too time consuming--make a list of the installed programs from the windows utilities and install from scratch on the new system.
 

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From what I've seen there is a lot more wrong with the port than just the VRAM usage, there were issues with mouse camera movement, crashes even on high end systems, CPU performance, and literally an hour long shader compilation step just to name a few. Nobody is in denial when calling this game hot garbage
It sounds like Naughty Dogs Engine was terribly optimized to run on PCs since they'd been working on playstation hardware only for like 20 years. Sad that such a great game had to release in this state, and hopefully it can be fixed. And, I assume Naughty Dog is trying to get the engine in a condition it will work well to run on PC since I would not be shocked if the Last of Us Factions release will launch day of on PC too since live service games need a large install base. Granted, with this being such an important release for Sony given the games prestige and the hype of the show you really wish they handed it off to Nixxes who have done a good job with Sony's other games that were using proprietary engines.
 

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So I just ordered a new motherboard, ram, CPU and heatsink. My PSU and case are fine. I have 4 SSD's. I'd really, really like to avoid re-installing Windows. What are the odds my OS will just boot up after swapping out the motherboard and CPU? Does Windows become unlicensed after a swap like this?
There's a good chance that it'll boot up, I think. Windows should detect and load drivers for the new hardware (and not load the drivers for the hardware that's now missing). That said, it might still be better to have a fresh Windows. What you could do is boot up your old Windows, then go into Settings, search for "Reset this PC" and choose the option to keep your personal files. You'll have to re-install all of your apps, but your files on the desktop and other profile folders (Documents, Music, etc.) will be kept.

There's a good chance that Windows will be unactivated/unlicensed after the hardware change, but it's easy to re-activate. Just go into Settings and search for "Activation." Your license is tied to your Microsoft account, so it's as simple as signing in and confirming. A couple of years ago, I upgraded my motherboard, CPU and RAM all at once and it took less than a minute to activate Windows again and continue using my license. Here's an MS article: Reactivating Windows after a hardware change - Microsoft Support
 
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Question for those in here.

I have been thinking about building a PC for 5 or so years now and just never got around to it. I'm wondering if it at this point I should just buy a Steam Deck. Curious to hear peoples reviews if they have one.
 

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It sounds like Naughty Dogs Engine was terribly optimized to run on PCs since they'd been working on playstation hardware only for like 20 years. Sad that such a great game had to release in this state, and hopefully it can be fixed. And, I assume Naughty Dog is trying to get the engine in a condition it will work well to run on PC since I would not be shocked if the Last of Us Factions release will launch day of on PC too since live service games need a large install base. Granted, with this being such an important release for Sony given the games prestige and the hype of the show you really wish they handed it off to Nixxes who have done a good job with Sony's other games that were using proprietary engines.
Yeah it's clear the game was not given the proper attention it needed, in the new DF video about the game you can see that at the medium texture setting (which is the best you can do with an 8GB GPU at 1440p) there are moments where the textures resemble the switch version of Sonic Frontiers. The game just does not run as it should when using hardware of a similar level to the PS5. It's a shame Nixxes wasn't involved but I'm sure they are busy with something else like Ghost of Tsushima or Ratchet and Clank.

Question for those in here.

I have been thinking about building a PC for 5 or so years now and just never got around to it. I'm wondering if it at this point I should just buy a Steam Deck. Curious to hear peoples reviews if they have one.
It depends entirely on your budget and what games you want to play. If you were planning on going lower end and mostly playing older/indie games or emulators, the steam deck is a good choice. Otherwise I would go for a desktop.
 

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7800X3D reviews are out and the chip finally goes on sale tomorrow (the 6th).

Basically, it's slower in productivity apps than 13th-gen Intel, but faster in gaming (at least until you get to 4K, where performance is pretty close), while using an impressive 100W less power (and, thus, running a lot cooler).

 
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I bought a 7700x a couple months ago, and I have yet to put it into a system, and I am so considering grabbing this CPU instead, even though I got the 7700X for less than $300.
 

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I bought a 7700x a couple months ago, and I have yet to put it into a system, and I am so considering grabbing this CPU instead, even though I got the 7700X for less than $300.
If it's unopened and you can sell it as "brand new," you can get $300 for it on eBay, minus the 13.25% selling fee, so $260 actual. That means that it would cost you about $190 more to upgrade to the 7800X3D. So, it depends if that's worth it to you or not, which could come down to whether you play the types of games and at the resolutions that the difference would be felt in.
 

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If it's unopened and you can sell it as "brand new," you can get $300 for it on eBay, minus the 13.25% selling fee, so $260 actual. That means that it would cost you about $190 more to upgrade to the 7800X3D. So, it depends if that's worth it to you or not, which could come down to whether you play the types of games and at the resolutions that the difference would be felt in.

Sadly, it's been used once for testing. Nothing else. So it's used. Sure I could get $200+ for it still.

The other thing is, the 7800X3D runs cooler. Like, a lot cooler.
 

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Sadly, it's been used once for testing. Nothing else. So it's used. Sure I could get $200+ for it still.

The other thing is, the 7800X3D runs cooler. Like, a lot cooler.
It looks like pre-owned 7700Xs still sell for as much as $290 on eBay, and you should be able to get close to that by mentioning that you used it only once. So, after seller's fees, you'd be looking at $200 more to replace it with the 7800X3D.
 
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I've doing some early research towards my next build, need to gift the current hardware to my son. Pretty sure I'll go with the 7800x3d but haven't decided if I'll go with B650 or x670 yet. The B-series boards seem to be getting more and more of the higher end features as the years tick by.

Am sticking with AMD, and was leaning towards buying one of last year's Sapphire 6950XT until I remembered that the 7800XT and the tier below it will be coming out early summer? They should have pretty comparable performance and price point I'd think. I don't really have a budget but the idea of paying over 1K for a high end gpu bugs me. Am looking forward to the reviews when Navi 32 does come out.
 

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I've doing some early research towards my next build, need to gift the current hardware to my son. Pretty sure I'll go with the 7800x3d but haven't decided if I'll go with B650 or x670 yet. The B-series boards seem to be getting more and more of the higher end features as the years tick by.

Am sticking with AMD, and was leaning towards buying one of last year's Sapphire 6950XT until I remembered that the 7800XT and the tier below it will be coming out early summer? They should have pretty comparable performance and price point I'd think. I don't really have a budget but the idea of paying over 1K for a high end gpu bugs me. Am looking forward to the reviews when Navi 32 does come out.
I would buy a B650 motherboard. You don't really need the extra bells and whistles like PCI Express 5.0 and you will not be overclocking a CPU like the 7800X3D. A gaming PC just needs good thermals and making sure that the system is able to run at it's full potential.

A good reason one might wait for newer cards is power efficiency. The 6950XT is a good card and has been on sale recently but it's quite power hungry. If you don't have a power supply that is good enough to handle so much power and/or electricity is expensive in your part of the world; it might be a deal breaker.
 

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^ That's a good point about the power requirements. Right now it's a Seasonic 750w but it will likely go along to my son's rig. I did notice from a GN video that the 6950 does enjoy the wattage, which was part of why I thought to wait to see if the 7800 cards bring roughly the same performance as previous gen best cards while being more efficient.
 

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^ That's a good point about the power requirements. Right now it's a Seasonic 750w but it will likely go along to my son's rig. I did notice from a GN video that the 6950 does enjoy the wattage, which was part of why I thought to wait to see if the 7800 cards bring roughly the same performance as previous gen best cards while being more efficient.
AMD recommends at least an 850W PSU for the 6950 XT (for their reference model, so a partner card could be higher). They recommend at least a 750W PSU for the 7900 XT. The 7800 XT will probably need 650-700W.
 
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AMD recommends at least an 850W PSU for the 6950 XT (for their reference model, so a partner card could be higher). They recommend at least a 750W PSU for the 7900 XT. The 7800 XT will probably need 650-700W.

This is good to know, because I'm not in the habit of running the PSU right at the edge like a 6950 would push it to. Asking for trouble. I'd spend a little more in order to provide breathing room if a 6950 was the choice.
 

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This is good to know, because I'm not in the habit of running the PSU right at the edge like a 6950 would push it to. Asking for trouble. I'd spend a little more in order to provide breathing room if a 6950 was the choice.
Yeah, I have a 750W PSU and have already written off the idea of upgrading to the 6950 XT because I'd need to buy a new PSU. For about the same total cost, I could just buy the 7900 XT and not buy a new PSU.
 

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There seems to be an issue with 7000X3D CPUs burning up on at least one Asus motherboard.



Seen multiple testimonies like that. Pretty crazy if it turns out Asus have some faulty boards and/or BIOS revisions that leads to your expensive CPU and motherboard imploding.

Edit: Megathread on the subject:

 
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There seems to be an issue with 7000X3D CPUs burning up on at least one Asus motherboard.



Seen multiple testimonies like that. Pretty crazy if it turns out Asus have some faulty boards and/or BIOS revisions that leads to your expensive CPU and motherboard imploding.


f***ing hope it's not worth this motherboard as I still want it for my mITX build.

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f***ing hope it's not worth this motherboard as I still want it for my mITX build.

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Asus are apparently releasing fixes so you might be fine.

Still, Asus have been dropping the ball a lot lately. Gigabyte, MSI and even Asrock are doing much better not only concerning prices but also overall quality.
 

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