Player Discussion Pavel Zacha

RussellmaniaKW

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the way I judge deals like this is I apply my own "Michael Ryder scale". Basically is this deal better, worse, or comparable to Michael Ryder's $4m cap hit when they won the Cup in 2011. I find this to be a good comp for a few reasons:
Ryder was the prototypical middle 6 forward who does one or 2 things pretty well but lacks consistency and doesn't do enough to solidify a top 6 role. But the Cup run proved that you can absolutely win with limited guys like him in the lineup making whatever % of the cap he was making at the time (7.05% at the time of signing). Ryder was often called overpaid at the time and most reasonable people (IMO) simply argued that $4m was the going rate for what a guy like him brought.

Fast forward to today: Zacha just signed a deal that's 5.76% of the cap at the time of signing. So the question is does Zacha bring as much or more to the table as Michael Ryder in 2011?

He hasn't demonstrated the raw offensive ceiling that Ryder showed in bursts, but other than that i'd say Zacha brings a lot more to the table. He can play any situation, brings size and is younger than Ryder was when he signed that $4m deal. And he does this all for a significantly lower cap %. I also suspect he has untapped offensive potential that Ryder maybe never had. A full season playing 2C and he might put up 60+ points and make the deal look like a steal. The rest of his game is pretty repeatable IMO.

Anyway the above is only partially serious b/c I recognize this is far from scientific but the general idea is that with these middle 6 role player type contracts I look to past examples to decide if the deal feels reasonable and I think this one totally passes the sniff test.
 

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the way I judge deals like this is I apply my own "Michael Ryder scale". Basically is this deal better, worse, or comparable to Michael Ryder's $4m cap hit when they won the Cup in 2011. I find this to be a good comp for a few reasons:
Ryder was the prototypical middle 6 forward who does one or 2 things pretty well but lacks consistency and doesn't do enough to solidify a top 6 role. But the Cup run proved that you can absolutely win with limited guys like him in the lineup making whatever % of the cap he was making at the time (7.05% at the time of signing). Ryder was often called overpaid at the time and most reasonable people (IMO) simply argued that $4m was the going rate for what a guy like him brought.

Fast forward to today: Zacha just signed a deal that's 5.76% of the cap at the time of signing. So the question is does Zacha bring as much or more to the table as Michael Ryder in 2011?

He hasn't demonstrated the raw offensive ceiling that Ryder showed in bursts, but other than that i'd say Zacha brings a lot more to the table. He can play any situation, brings size and is younger than Ryder was when he signed that $4m deal. And he does this all for a significantly lower cap %. I also suspect he has untapped offensive potential that Ryder maybe never had. A full season playing 2C and he might put up 60+ points and make the deal look like a steal. The rest of his game is pretty repeatable IMO.

Anyway the above is only partially serious b/c I recognize this is far from scientific but the general idea is that with these middle 6 role player type contracts I look to past examples to decide if the deal feels reasonable and I think this one totally passes the sniff test.There is nothing prototypical about a man who can flash the glove like Micheal Ryder!
Most importantly, can Zacha flash the glove like Micheal Ryder?
If yes, this contract is priceless!
 

loosemoose

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That's a lot of commitment to a middle-6 forwards. It's pretty unlikely he'll be able to fill a top-6 center hole in post Bergeron/Krejci era.
 
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Zacha is great at doing some things , but not awesome in any one area.
He can fill roles good, but specializes in no one set area.
I think he adds, more than he subtracts.
That said, he is NOT a 2C.
But he may play that role next year given our monetary situation. I’d role with
Marchand-Bergeron-DeBrusk/Pasta
Hall-Coyle-Pasta/DeBrusk

With Zacha and Frederic anchoring my bottom 6.
 

missingchicklet

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A 34 yr old aging Foligno signed for $3.8M.
A 31 yr old aging Smith signed for $3.1M.

4.75M for a 26 yr old in his prime who has already proven he can play effectively with the top 6, and has already meshed with his teammates. Throw in that the cap will be going up during Zacha's contract.

This deal is a good one for the future. You have to have mid-priced players like Zacha if you want to be competitive in this league. The top-heavy approach doesn't generally work unless you have a ridiculously great prospect pool, which the Bs don't. Yes, it's a bit of a gamble in the sense that the Bs are paying Zacha based on what he is doing this year, as opposed to paying him based on what he did with NJ. It's a gamble I would take 10 out of 10 times given what the Bs would have to pay a free agent of similar skill this summer.
 

DKH

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Apparently me and Monty are in the minority of people who like him (never change Bruins fans)

Fluto Athletic 01/15/2023

“How I can use him in so many different ways,” coach Jim Montgomery said after the win when asked of Zacha’s value this season. “Left wing, right wing, center. It doesn’t matter. Tonight, I used him with Coyle and Frederic in a shutdown role. I wanted them to match up against Matthews tonight for the majority of the game. I’m asking him to maybe sacrifice. But he’s fine. Whatever we ask of him, he’s going to do what helps the team.”

I think Pastrnak ends up taking a not-insignificant discount, nothing insane, but more than most of us think.

Carlo needs to go, and soon.
Whoa??? What happened ? Off ice incident ?
 

The Andrew Peeke Fan

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Apparently me and Monty are in the minority of people who like him (never change Bruins fans)

Fluto Athletic 01/15/2023

“How I can use him in so many different ways,” coach Jim Montgomery said after the win when asked of Zacha’s value this season. “Left wing, right wing, center. It doesn’t matter. Tonight, I used him with Coyle and Frederic in a shutdown role. I wanted them to match up against Matthews tonight for the majority of the game. I’m asking him to maybe sacrifice. But he’s fine. Whatever we ask of him, he’s going to do what helps the team.”


Whoa??? What happened ? Off ice incident ?
Abysmal cap hit for what he actually, materially provides, imo. I don't dislike him as a strong 5th D on a really good team, and at a cap hit that's representative of that.

I like him, but he's way overpaid and nowhere near as good as a lot of you insist.
 

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Pearle Vision Pavel is on fire today.
 
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Imagine if he actually received any serious PP time, he would easily be on pace for 60-70 points. Great job in getting a really versatile and talented player signed.
 

goldnblack

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What's clear with this guy is he's got off the charts talent, and not many guys in the league have it to that extent. His draft pedigree is so obvious.

The year playing with 46/37 is the key. If they groom him as many expect, his ceiling is way beyond 55 pts with top 6 or top 3 minutes.

I can't believe free agent Haula is turned into this guy. That's bonkers to me.
 

DKH

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Last 24 hours I learned that

-Zacha is a low 30 pt guy
-Zacha can't score
-Zacha isn't worth 4.75m
-Zacha is a middle six guy at best

Then Zacha pulls his balls out and sticks them right on the table today. lol.

THAT'S MY GUY!
Zacha is a 30 point defensive liability overpaid guy

Bruins followers (fans I am not so sure) are something crazy
 

The Andrew Peeke Fan

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Only one game but few posts can age as well as this one as quickly.
We are

Zacha is a 30 point defensive liability overpaid guy

Bruins followers (fans I am not so sure) are something crazy
At some point, you misread my post, or willfully decided I was talking about Pavel Zacha when I was talking about Brandon Carlo, specifically.

Only one game but few posts can age as well as this one as quickly.
I was talking about Brandon Carlo, which I still stand by. You should read the entirety of an exchange, or take the extra time needed to digest the context of one, if needed.
 

bruinshoper

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Imagine if he actually received any serious PP time, he would easily be on pace for 60-70 points. Great job in getting a really versatile and talented player signed.
Yup. Folks often ignore or don’t think about things like power play time, zone Starts, defensive responsibilities, etc when assessing a players value.
This is a very good signing. Sweeney deserves accolades….again.
 
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