Value of: Patrik Laine

[pth2]

The Ducks PP is so embarrassingly bad that I honestly wouldn’t mind adding Laine if all he does is improve it.

Wouldn’t pay nearly anything for him, though.

I doubt Habs expect much of anything. A bad contract (ie, overpaid NHLer) would be plenty.

 

[Mrfenn92]

Ride him out. It’s never gonna be a clean ride with patrik

 

[Habsrule]

Just let his contract play out.

He played in only 18 games last year and missed the first 30 or so games this year. With a knee injury you can’t be skating and staying in game shape.

Next year he will be in his contract year and Demidov is coming over. I expect him to be playing second line which will be a big upgrade over Newhook’s 17 points in 55 games. If Dach keeps on improving and has a good summer because of his own knee injury then the Habs could have a good offensive second line next year.

Laine - Dach - Demidov

Now that line will not be good at all defensively but it would give Laine a much better passer to play with.

 

[Jumptheshark]

He is down on the 3rd line is amazing

 

[CanMerc]

It’s safe to say Hughes got absolutely fleeced on that one. What a terrible player.

Not true…apparently he’s really good at Fortnite

 

[miscs75]

Canucks are looking to add mid 20s impact forward apparently. This seems like a nice match.

 

[Mad Dog Tannen]

So - there’s definitely been a lot of discussion and opinions on Laine, no one has really weighed in on the thread question though, lol.

What is laines trade value at the deadline?

Is it even positive after his scoring resurgence?

Does Montreal need to retain? If so, how much?

I truly feel he needs to get off the habs yesterday for fear he will ruin their progression. Throw him on a vet heavy team, where he is way down the pecking order of influence.

Canucks are looking to add mid 20s impact forward apparently. This seems like a nice match.

Also canes are still looking to add. And they have a giant gap at wing since trading away Necas.

 

[samsagat]

How about being bipolar...

Habs would have to pay to get rid of him and according to their actual situation, it isn't really something that is worth it.

So the team will keep him, hoping he gets his play on track and have a good one next season (UFA year).

 

[Andreas Ferrari]

The will take him in return for Rasmus Kupari, Gabriel Vilardi, Alex Iafallo and a round 2 pick in the 2024 draft. :/

 

[BruinsJoe]

Laine experiment in Montreal seems to be falling apart.

With them regressing - probably makes sense to dump him at the deadline, question is - is he worth anything to a contender, if so what is his value?”

You know how it works, you have to pay to dump him, so a nhler + 2 rd pick min to dump this beauty!

 

[Sparky93]

Laine + Montreal 2025 1st(Top 10 protected)

for

Kadri.

 

[Fatass]

Contract goes for next season too. Huge cap hit. The cost for the Habs to move him would be at least a first.

 

[mattihp]

....as did Winnipeg

....as did Columbus

Winnipeg? Really? He was consistently played with Bryan Little with who he had negative chemistry. Are you thinking of the Stastny try which actually worked quite well?

 

[CTHabsfan]

Contract goes for next season too. Huge cap hit. The cost for the Habs to move him would be at least a first.

In which case Montreal keeps Laine. The Canadiens don't have cap issues for 2025-26, so they have no incentive to make a cap dump trade.

 

[mattihp]

Laine does seem like a nice, but troubled guy. He is one-dimensional and not good enough at that to be given the free reigns he was given in his rookie years. He will likely float around the league for some years more. Then likely retire early and work on feeling better.

 

[Xoggz22]

Guy hasn’t played last year. Got a major knee injury in training and people wonder why he’s a step behind almost 3/4 into the season.

No one is trading for him. He needs time to get back in game shape form and find his rhythm. Hopefully he does that sooner than later and is 100% ready next year

I understand the thought process here. We said this on numerous occasions in Columbus only to find that the excuses and injuries never seem to go away. I gave him a very very long rope. Now it sounds like Montreal fans may be staring at the same mental pattern within their fan base that the CBJ fan base did. Maybe WPG before that. Something just never seems to get right (or going for him). It's why we are very happy to not have him on the payroll, nor impacting our younger players in Columbus. Sure, we got skewered for giving up a 2nd, but it was worth it. Now we have to see what the future holds in Montreal. Unfortunately I'm willing to bet it's more injuries and excuses for him. Only on a much bigger stage.

 

[Fatass]

In which case Montreal keeps Laine. The Canadiens don't have cap issues for 2025-26, so they have no incentive to make a cap dump trade.

So next year is another one where the Habs have no desire to be a playoff contender?
At some point the Habs need to change direction and insist their players all commit to playing winning hockey and not pond style. Keeping Laine might be sending the wrong message to the group?

 

[Xoggz22]

Why would they pay to get rid of him? Are Habs competing all of a sudden? Just hope he gets hot enough next year that you can trade him at 50% to a contender. No sense in paying in assets to get rid of him if you're not trying to compete for cup.

The only reason I would even say they would pay to get rid of him is whether they would feel he's poisoning the youth. Not going to go that far and say it's the case in Columbus, because I think the change in coaching has really had the big positive impact on the CBJ youth, but not having him around has definitely been a big benefit in Columbus and the cost, to me, was justified. I had high hopes for him in Columbus, but he's just been a train wreck and I guess that's followed him. Not having him at a cost, could be more valuable than keeping him at a cost.

 

[CTHabsfan]

So next year is another one where the Habs have no desire to be a playoff contender?
At some point the Habs need to change direction and insist their players all commit to playing winning hockey and not pond style. Keeping Laine might be sending the wrong message to the group?

Sorry, but I fail to see how the Canadiens giving away at least a first (your words) when they have no cap issues, simply to get rid of Patrik Laine, makes them better. They can keep Laine, hope he is healthy and motivated, or make him a healthy scratch if he's a problem.

 

[Gaud]

if someone needs him on that one spot on the powerplay , then a deal can be made with a retention or 2. Otherwise, good luck.

I always doubted Laine's effort, but not his skill. He has one hell of a shot... and that's it, i guess? I'd be a lot madder about this if Mtl was in a comfortable situation in the race for a playoff spot and this is what management got us. As it is, it is a risk using money we dont need right away to try and have our boys play with a proven goal scorer. If it works, we probably get a bunch of assets at hte TDL next year, otherwise we ride it out. Low risk, high potential reward.

 

[Fatass]

Sorry, but I fail to see how the Canadiens giving away at least a first (your words) when they have no cap issues, simply to get rid of Patrik Laine, makes them better. They can keep Laine, hope he is healthy and motivated, or make him a healthy scratch if he's a problem.

Getting Hutson has spread up the Habs’ rebuild. He’s that much of a difference maker. So ,Imo, the Habs will pay the price to move on from Laine this summer. They will send him to a team not so far along in their rebuild. (Cost will be a first, but worth it) I think the Habs move on from msl this summer too.

 

[Xoggz22]

There's no way the Canadiens will buy out Laine with one year left on his contract. They will hope Laine is healthy for next season and has the motivation to play his best so he can get a new NHL contract.

This sounds so familiar...almost like CBJ fans had that discussion for a while...and it never happened. We kept hoping for that healthy season. knowing he would put it all together again and get back to being a good player. Until he couldn't, didn't and wasn't. I was that guy hoping. I don't wish ill will on him or the Habs fans. It's just funny how the exact same discussions are happening yet again. Get over the hopes and just recognize it's a sunk cost and the potential impact is not only on the budget, but the team morale and development. That's the cost you're paying now.

 

[jfhabs]

We would need to pay to get rid of him.
No point in doing that, rather just keep him.
Hopefully he trains 2-3 times next summer and comes in ready for the season...

 

[Xoggz22]

Last people who should be chirping about Laine are BJ fans. The amount of denial from BJ fans on this board while he wore their jersey was comical.

Nah, we can chirp. The amount of shit we got for hoping he'd get it back, just wait for him to get healthy... you know... all the things being said in this thread. I don't know that it's chirping as much as just giving back a little when you know where the shit was coming from when he was with CBJ. Habs fans are in denial no different than I was as a CBJ fan. I think the comments and sarcasm go with the territory here. It's called a cycle and Laine appears to be the common denominator.

 

[Baksfamous112]

I understand the thought process here. We said this on numerous occasions in Columbus only to find that the excuses and injuries never seem to go away. I gave him a very very long rope. Now it sounds like Montreal fans may be staring at the same mental pattern within their fan base that the CBJ fan base did. Maybe WPG before that. Something just never seems to get right (or going for him). It's why we are very happy to not have him on the payroll, nor impacting our younger players in Columbus. Sure, we got skewered for giving up a 2nd, but it was worth it. Now we have to see what the future holds in Montreal. Unfortunately I'm willing to bet it's more injuries and excuses for him. Only on a much bigger stage.

There is certainly a concerning pattern here. The good news is we got paid to take on Laine and even with his 8.7M on the book next year we still have ~23M (33M with Price LTIR) to play with. Laine isn’t a factor money wise so even if he doesn’t perform, he’s not going to hurt us from a cap perspective and worst case scenario he plays a limited 5v5 role and PP1 and we let him walk.

So next year is another one where the Habs have no desire to be a playoff contender?
At some point the Habs need to change direction and insist their players all commit to playing winning hockey and not pond style. Keeping Laine might be sending the wrong message to the group?

Next year is definitely one where the Habs aim to make the playoff. We have no choice but to keep Laine. Either he step up his game and contribute on all aspect of the game or he’ll just play a limited 5v5 role and PP1 specialist.

From what I’ve seen so far is not a lack of effort but he seems gased and doesn’t move his feet. He’s got no time to make a play because he’s stationary when he receive the puck and can’t make room for himself so he rushes a pass or make a bad play.

We saw the same issue with Dach at the beginning of the year and he’s much more active lately always on the “move” and making more plays and have more time to execute a play because of it.