Player Discussion Patrik Laine

[26Mats]

He'll be back *in* January imo

It's not the ACL so you're gonna see him again this year

I haven't seen all the details and I don't think anybody does.

It's not exactly reassuring hearing these reports that he got different opinions from doctors and then HE, Laine, made the decision not to have surgery. I hope for the best...

 

[morhilane]

I haven't seen all the details and I don't think anybody does.

It's not exactly reassuring hearing these reports that he got different opinions from doctors and then HE, Laine, made the decision not to have surgery. I hope for the best...

Hughes said the ACL wasn't damaged, return to play wouldn't be 2-3 months if it was anyway.

 

[26Mats]

Hughes said the ACL wasn't damaged, return to play wouldn't be 2-3 months if it was anyway.

We'll see what happens. The previous regime clearly allowed Weber to pkay through injuries and come back too early and it cost him his career. For sure I have more in the new regime. But the proof will be in the pudding. I also remember Gallagjer coming back early from concussions. At first it was such great news.
Then he got injured all over again. Time will tell...

 

[Grate n Colorful Oz]

I have real doubts he's back before January, if at all this year.

You're really a glass-fully-empty kinda guy?

 

[morhilane]

We'll see what happens. The previous regime clearly allowed Weber to pkay through injuries and come back too early and it cost him his career. For sure I have more in the new regime. But the proof will be in the pudding. I also remember Gallagjer coming back early from concussions. At first it was such great news.
Then he got injured all over again. Time will tell...

Hughes/Gorton cleaned-up the medical/fitness staff after their first full year because players were returning to play too early or the staff let them play with injuries. They learned from that.

 

[Calendal]

Yeah good luck getting that surgery in a 2 days notice.

You don’t need the surgery until swelling has gone down anyway. The injury is neither life threatening nor particularly painful.

If it will heal to 95% without surgery I would choose not to have one, but I’m not a professional athlete.

I expect your point was more about money, politics and general state of medical care. If so, I agree with the sentiment.

 

[Mrb1p]

You don’t need the surgery until swelling has gone down anyway. The injury is neither life threatening nor particularly painful.

If it will heal to 95% without surgery I would choose not to have one, but I’m not a professional athlete.

I expect your point was more about money, politics and general state of medical care. If so, I agree with the sentiment.

Yes it was

 

[BB88]

It depends on the situation of course but if you can avoid the knife, all the better. That being said, knee surgeries and their success rate has improved infinitely over the past decade.

I’m on the field somewhat so I definitely understand, but I also understand the points he made and respect the mans knowledge on the matter

At times there are situations where it’s a must to have a surgery but with todays physio you more often than not get better results without one

 

[26Mats]

Hughes/Gorton cleaned-up the medical/fitness staff after their first full year because players were returning to play too early or the staff let them play with injuries. They learned from that.

Hope for the best. But the reality will be the reality when Laine returns.

 

[themilosh]

I haven't seen all the details and I don't think anybody does.

It's not exactly reassuring hearing these reports that he got different opinions from doctors and then HE, Laine, made the decision not to have surgery. I hope for the best...

Stop putting "DRs" in some sort of final word etched in stone.. the same Drs who advocated for masking outside in groups larger than 10. Ffs.. lol.. you cant make this up.

Drs are just people, regular people.. many of them only know what they are allowed to say, to keep their medical license.

If Laine wants to rehab without surgery, good on him.. he knows himself way more than any Dr.

Sad but true: General practitioners are basically a modern day Google... and official consignee to any drug offered at the pharmacy.

 

[PhysicX]

Stop putting "DRs" in some sort of final word etched in stone.. the same Drs who advocated for masking outside in groups larger than 10. Ffs.. lol.. you cant make this up.

Drs are just people, regular people.. many of them only know what they are allowed to say, to keep their medical license.

If Laine wants to rehab without surgery, good on him.. he knows himself way more than any Dr.

Sad but true: General practitioners are basically a modern day Google... and official consignee to any drug offered at the pharmacy.

Judging by the abovementioned, Laine should rehab by himself as well, as he knows his body way more than any physical rehab therapist.

 

[The Last Red]

I haven't seen all the details and I don't think anybody does.

It's not exactly reassuring hearing these reports that he got different opinions from doctors and then HE, Laine, made the decision not to have surgery. I hope for the best...

Why? It IS his decision. And it’s not like he made a decision that was contrary to the advice he got. For all we know, a majority of the doctors who looked at it were of the opinion that he could return to play without surgery. Finally, since he might only be here for only two years anyway, I’m not that concerned with his long term knee health. That’s his problem. He’s a big boy and can make his own decisions.

 

[The Last Red]

Judging by the abovementioned, Laine should rehab by himself as well, as he knows his body way more than any physical rehab therapist.

My idiot orthopaedic physician failed to diagnose the herniated disc in my lower back for over a year, leading to what was basically the equivalent of “emergency back surgery” even though no such thing really exits. Doctors are humans, they make mistakes all the time. Oh, BTW, he was the Phillies’ and Union’s orthopaed. for several years.

 

[the valiant effort]

Stop putting "DRs" in some sort of final word etched in stone.. the same Drs who advocated for masking outside in groups larger than 10. Ffs.. lol.. you cant make this up.

Drs are just people, regular people.. many of them only know what they are allowed to say, to keep their medical license.

If Laine wants to rehab without surgery, good on him.. he knows himself way more than any Dr.

Sad but true: General practitioners are basically a modern day Google... and official consignee to any drug offered at the pharmacy.

I don’t think the club or Laine was seeking opinions from GPs…not that I disagree that doctors in general (and all human beings) are more incompetent than ever before

 

[brentashton]

I admittedly have dunked on Patrick Laine for his off ice gaming habits etc, but I just saw a short clip interview on TSN with Laine, where he spoke (very well I might add) about the incident, decision to not undergo surgery, his own partial responsibility for the collision and his feelings towards Pare.

I have some newfound respect for the guy. I hope he heals fully and fast and comes back and has a hell of a remainder of the season.

 

[HuGort]

I haven't seen all the details and I don't think anybody does.

It's not exactly reassuring hearing these reports that he got different opinions from doctors and then HE, Laine, made the decision not to have surgery. I hope for the best...

I hope Laine made right decision

 

[VT]

This injury may help him in a way if he realizes he needs to pass the puck more and not do everything in transition on offense himself, reconsiders how to skate.

Otherwise on Patrik, for us with three injuries (groin, elbow and ankle) he came back much earlier than expected and had no repercussions. That's why I think he'll be back in December, I guess the 17th against Buffalo in Montreal.

 

[HomaridII]

I admittedly have dunked on Patrick Laine for his off ice gaming habits etc, but I just saw a short clip interview on TSN with Laine, where he spoke (very well I might add) about the incident, decision to not undergo surgery, his own partial responsibility for the collision and his feelings towards Pare.

I have some newfound respect for the guy. I hope he heals fully and fast and comes back and has a hell of a remainder of the season.

Montreal Canadiens' Patrik Laine explains opting against surgery for injured knee | TSN

Montreal Canadiens forward Patrik Laine told reporters Thursday that he opted against having surgery on his sprained left knee and explained his line of thinking.

www.tsn.ca

 

[26Mats]

Why? It IS his decision. And it’s not like he made a decision that was contrary to the advice he got. For all we know, a majority of the doctors who looked at it were of the opinion that he could return to play without surgery. Finally, since he might only be here for only two years anyway, I’m not that concerned with his long term knee health. That’s his problem. He’s a big boy and can make his own decisions.

Even if management wanted to act like self-centered scum bags, which thankfully I don't think they do, there is a possibility Laine is part of the future.

 

[morhilane]

This injury may help him in a way if he realizes he needs to pass the ball more and not do everything in transition on offense himself, reconsiders how to skate.

Otherwise on Patrik, for us with three injuries (groin, elbow and ankle) he came back much earlier than expected and had no repercussions. That's why I think he'll be back in December, I guess the 17th against Buffalo in Montreal.

If he comes back earlier, it would be under 2 months, which would mean November... mid-December would be right in the middle of the 2-3 months.

 

[morhilane]

Montreal Canadiens' Patrik Laine explains opting against surgery for injured knee | TSN

Montreal Canadiens forward Patrik Laine told reporters Thursday that he opted against having surgery on his sprained left knee and explained his line of thinking.

www.tsn.ca

“It was one of those you could go either way. I don’t think there’s ever any guarantees whether you do surgery or not…they did a good job of explaining the whole process and reassuring the chances are very high, that made me feel better about it," he said, adding he met with multiple doctors before making his decision." ~ Patty Laine

Going by this, it seems "no surgery" is what the specialists suggested, even if surgery was a possibility.

 

[brentashton]

Lets hope this decision by Laine, which is entirely his, doesn't backfire.

This will almost assuredly require some time of arthroscopic/cleanup surgery at some point. But more importantly, hopefully this doesn't make things worse.

If one thing was learned during the Jack EICHEL saga, it’s that an athlete’s body (similar to us mere mortals) is not owned by anyone else but the individual.

Teams will provide the best medical evidence (and usually multiple as in the case here)to suggest options and possible solutions and even preferred procedure, but in the end the person has the choice and final decision authority.

It really can’t be any other way.

Edit - anyways, I’m a guest in your forum. Thanks for letting me post. I’m out for further discussions. Best wishes to Patrick Laine in his rehab. I really want to see this dude come back and rip up the remainder of the season. He deserves it.

 

[Non Player Canadiens]

Stop putting "DRs" in some sort of final word etched in stone.. the same Drs who advocated for masking outside in groups larger than 10. Ffs.. lol.. you cant make this up.

Drs are just people, regular people.. many of them only know what they are allowed to say, to keep their medical license.

If Laine wants to rehab without surgery, good on him.. he knows himself way more than any Dr.

Sad but true: General practitioners are basically a modern day Google... and official consignee to any drug offered at the pharmacy.

lolz, reminds me of my crazy hypochondriac aunt. always knows better than her doctors

 

[Adriatic]

Stop putting "DRs" in some sort of final word etched in stone.. the same Drs who advocated for masking outside in groups larger than 10. Ffs.. lol.. you cant make this up.

Drs are just people, regular people.. many of them only know what they are allowed to say, to keep their medical license.

If Laine wants to rehab without surgery, good on him.. he knows himself way more than any Dr.

Sad but true: General practitioners are basically a modern day Google... and official consignee to any drug offered at the pharmacy.

I highly doubt he was seeking a second opinion from a GP

 

[Adriatic]

My idiot orthopaedic physician failed to diagnose the herniated disc in my lower back for over a year, leading to what was basically the equivalent of “emergency back surgery” even though no such thing really exits. Doctors are humans, they make mistakes all the time. Oh, BTW, he was the Phillies’ and Union’s orthopaed. for several years.

Wow!! Didn't you get an MRI for that?