Player Discussion Patrik Laine: Part 2 - Healthy Living Edition

[Habssince89]

I don't really have any issue with what laine is saying. He's stating simple facts; He isn't getting the icetime that he likes and that's because MSL has to think of the team and try to win games. But now lining has a chance to play with very good players and with a lot of ice time and so it might help him continue to rehabilitate back to proper form. I am also someone still preaching patience on him, especially because of the preseason injury. He really does put his foot in his mouth but honestly it's easy to ignore. He just phrases things terribly.

 

[NotCommitted]

Regards people getting all bent up about his recent comments about ice time, all I can say hockey fans are just about the most sensitive and delicate group of people I've ever known. It really doesn't take much to be "controversial" it seems He even admits to not having played well, and honestly I would find it really weird if he was feeling really great about playing 12 minutes a night max in the 4th line.

 

[ReHabs]

Is this a reliable site?

Patrik Laine Takes a Subtle Jab at St-Louis and the Canadiens Over His Ice Time

Montreal Canadiens forward Patrik Laine doesn't hold back. He avoids clichés, speaks his mind, and always gives very interesting interviews

www.habsfanatics.com

I don’t think this is an accurate spin on what Laine had said and Martineau is one of those “reporters” who editorializes everything before publishing.

 

[Vapaatunnus]

Here is a Finnish comment about it:

"
Laineen osalta suurimmat kysymysmerkit liittyvät tasakentin pelaamiseen. Montréal Canadiensissa pelaava suomalainen on aivan viime aikoina joutunut seurajoukkueessaan jopa penkitetyksi, koska päävalmentaja Martin St. Louis ei ole ollut Laineen otteisiin tyytyväinen.

Laineelta kysyttiin Leijonien harjoitusten jälkeen, olisiko hän mielestään ansainnut NHL:ssä enemmän peliaikaa.

– Toivoisinko enemmän jääaikaa? Ehdottomasti. Kuka ei toivoisi. En halua syventyä tähän asiaan, mutta kun on jäällä 10 minuuttia, on vaikeaa, koska on tottunut enempään, Laine sanoi.

Laine ei kuitenkaan lähtenyt osoittelemaan sormella muita.


– Silti pitää yrittää parhaansa, enkä ole pystynyt suoriutumaan niin kuin pitäisi. Ymmärrän, miksi en ole pelannut yhtä paljon kuin normaalisti. Pitää katsoa peiliin, tehdä töitä ja saada asioita aikaan."

 

[ReHabs]

>However, Laine did not point the finger at others.

>"You still have to try your best, and I haven't been able to perform as well as I should. I understand why I haven't played as much as I normally would. You have to look in the mirror, work hard and get things done."

Not sure how anyone could call it "passive aggressive" but if Laine, of all people, is to become the new whipping boy there is little worth in resisting it. Dach, Newhook, and Slafkovsky can dog it all they want but the cap dump who suffered a knee injury in training camp is the one who gets all the ire -- so it goes.

 

[OneSharpMarble]

>However, Laine did not point the finger at others.

>"You still have to try your best, and I haven't been able to perform as well as I should. I understand why I haven't played as much as I normally would. You have to look in the mirror, work hard and get things done."

Not sure how anyone could call it "passive aggressive" but if Laine, of all people, is to become the new whipping boy there is little worth in resisting it. Dach, Newhook, and Slafkovsky can dog it all they want but the cap dump who suffered a knee injury in training camp is the one who gets all the ire -- so it goes.

Yeah those other three are certainly highly praised and never attacked around here. Funny you mentioned knee injury, did one of those vaunted 3 you mention suffer a knee injury? My mind is a bit foggy.

 

[ReHabs]

Yeah those other three are certainly highly praised and never attacked around here. Funny you mentioned knee injury, did one of those vaunted 3 you mention suffer a knee injury? My mind is a bit foggy.

Dach suffered a knee injury in October 14th, 2023 and completed his surgery October 31st, 2023. He has not missed any games of the current 24-25 season due to this past injury. He has 22pts in 56gp and is on pace for a whopping 32pt season with 15:43 TOI.

Laine suffered a knee injury Sept 28th, 2024 and narrowly avoided surgery, opting for rehab instead. He missed 24 games to start the season. He has 18pts in 28gp and is on pace for a 52pt season with 14:49 TOI.

Newhook and Slafkovsky do not have a similar injury/surgery excuse for their 26pt pace (15:15 TOI) and 46pt pace (16:52 TOI), respectively.

Laine looks awful out there, that's for sure. It goes to show how much more skilled and talented he is that he looks awful, barely moves, and still puts up more points than the Triple Threat Gang.

Should the cap-dump who is out of game shape be the whipping boy over any of the other three underwhelming players? I'm sure some think so. I don't agree with it.

 

[OneSharpMarble]

Dach suffered a knee injury in October 14th, 2023 and completed his surgery October 31st, 2023. He has not missed any games of the current 24-25 season due to this past injury. He has 22pts in 56gp and is on pace for a whopping 32pt season with 15:43 TOI.

Laine suffered a knee injury Sept 28th, 2024 and narrowly avoided surgery, opting for rehab instead. He missed 24 games to start the season. He has 18pts in 28gp and is on pace for a 52pt season with 14:49 TOI.

Newhook and Slafkovsky do not have a similar injury/surgery excuse for their 26pt pace (15:15 TOI) and 46pt pace (16:52 TOI), respectively.

Laine looks awful out there, that's for sure. It goes to show how much more skilled and talented he is that he looks awful, barely moves, and still puts up more points than the Triple Threat Gang.

Ok so tell me how long does it take to get back up to NHL game form after ACL and MCL surgery Doctor. Please use examples and draw upon your extensive history in the field.

Yup Newhook and Slaf have also played poorly and been fairly lampooned for it on these boards.

Laine is substantially older than all 3 and looking incredibly uninvolved which is not something new for Laine as he is a notoriously lazy player. When he isn't scoring he brings literally nothing to a line, it's fun how you're still drooling over his powerplay points, I bet you don't really want to talk about 5v5 do ya?

 

[ReHabs]

Ok so tell me how long does it take to get back up to NHL game form after ACL and MCL surgery Doctor. Please use examples and draw upon your extensive history in the field.

I'm not a doctor though I work closely with doctors and researchers. If you consulted someone in an empirical field, you'd be told to try to use the same deductive reasoning in the same way as much as possible.

ie. If Kirby Dach's injury + recovery gives him carte blanche to largely suck for 40-odd games a year after his surgery, then why are you whipping yourself into a frenzy over Patrik Laine who suffered a very similar injury and only narrowly avoided surgery? The difference between their injuries is in degrees.

Besides, Laine was a cap dump and out of shape even prior to the injury he suffered. Hyper-fixating on his awful performances goes nowhere, we were paid to take him on and he plays fewer minutes than three of the other underwhelming forwards to boot. Making excuses for Dach and Newhook for months on end and whipping Laine at every turn is nuts, it's as if you're entertained by players fake hustling out there.

Laine is substantially older than all 3

Alex Newhook is 24 years old, Kirby Dach is 24 years old, and Patrik Laine is 26 years old.

Substantially older.

 

[OneSharpMarble]

I'm not a doctor though I work closely with doctors and researchers. If you consulted someone in an empirical field, you'd be told to try to use the same deductive reasoning in the same way as much as possible.

ie. If Kirby Dach's injury + recovery gives him carte blanche to largely suck for 40-odd games a year after his surgery, then why are you whipping yourself into a frenzy over Patrik Laine who suffered a very similar injury and only narrowly avoided surgery? The difference between their injuries is in degrees.

Besides, Laine was a cap dump and out of shape even prior to the injury he suffered. Hyper-fixating on his awful performances goes nowhere, we were paid to take him on and he plays fewer minutes than three of the other underwhelming forwards to boot. Making excuses for Dach and Newhook for months on end and whipping Laine at every turn is nuts, it's as if you're entertained by players fake hustling out there.


Alex Newhook is 24 years old, Kirby Dach is 24 years old, and Patrik Laine is 26 years old.

Substantially older.

Ok so you're not a doctor, by "work closely" do you sweep up after when they're done? What I really want to know is do you have doctor recchis number on speed dial?

You're the only one getting worked up, calm down. I'm pretty sure every other post of yours has been shitting on Dach non stop but now Laine is getting criticised out come the tears.

The difference between one person having surgery and the other not is how many "degrees" exactly?

Laine was drafted 3 years before either of those players, your disingenuous use of their birthdays is on par with the rest of your posts.

 

[ReHabs]

Ok so you're not a doctor, by "work closely" do you sweep up after when they're done? What I really want to know is do you have doctor recchis number on speed dial?

I don't think this was a necessary statement considering I didn't make any appeal to practicing medicine in the first place. You made the reference, not me.

You're the only one getting worked up, calm down. I'm pretty sure every other post of yours has been shitting on Dach non stop but now Laine is getting criticised out come the tears.

You've seen my comments -- I don't shit on Dach non-stop and I'm not crying in defence of Laine. Dach was largely terrible this season and many made excuses to justify his performances. Now that charity doesn't exist for Laine. This is what I'm talking about.

Try to stay in the realm of reality. We're talking hockey, there's plenty to talk about without flaming one another.

Laine was drafted 3 years before either of those players, your disingenuous use of their birthdays is on par with the rest of your posts.

If you don't want your points dismantled, don't make bad points. A two year age difference is not substantial, neither is three year age difference for that matter. Them three are all in their mid 20s and NHL veterans.

 

[OneSharpMarble]

I don't think this was a necessary statement considering I didn't make any appeal to practicing medicine in the first place. You made the reference, not me.


You've seen my comments -- I don't shit on Dach non-stop and I'm not crying in defence of Laine. Dach was largely terrible this season and many made excuses to justify his performances. Now that charity doesn't exist for Laine. This is what I'm talking about.

Try to stay in the realm of reality. We're talking hockey, there's plenty to talk about without flaming one another.


If you don't want your points dismantled, don't make bad points. A two year age difference is not substantial, neither is three year age difference for that matter. Them three are all in their mid 20s and NHL veterans.

You claim to work with medical professionals and the players have basically the same injury, you can't make up this shit. Just admit you have no idea what you're talking about. Same injury "by degrees"

Oh you feel flamed because your nonsense is getting called out? Rough life bro, maybe don't put out such ridiculous statements.

The only thing you dismantle is reality to suit your agenda. Yeah he was drafted 3 years earlier, that's almost double the experience the others have. Yeah I do expect more out of him, maybe to provide anything when he isn't scoring. That isn't too much to ask.

 

[ReHabs]

You claim to work with medical professionals and the players have basically the same injury, you can't make up this shit. Just admit you have no idea what you're talking about. Same injury "by degrees"

I didn't say they have the same injury, I said they have similar injuries. Pay attention.

Oh you feel flamed because your nonsense is getting called out? Rough life bro, maybe don't put out such ridiculous statements.

You said 26 year olds are substantially older than 24 year olds. Get a grip and own your own statements.

The only thing you dismantle is reality to suit your agenda. Yeah he was drafted 3 years earlier, that's almost double the experience the others have. Yeah I do expect more out of him, maybe to provide anything when he isn't scoring. That isn't too much to ask.

Well at least you're clear about expecting more from Laine than from the three other forwards.

Preferring the less-skilled, less-capable, and even more abjectly underperforming players just because they look like they hustle more is very much on brand for a certain type of sports fan. Glen Metropolit and Dale Weise superfans. Funny thing is Dach was dogging it for weeks and Slafkovsky never looks like much of a hustler and none of them are particularly good defensively either.

That's all good and fine, but the total denial of Laine's recent injury doesn't square with the obsessive excuse making for Dach's performances 12+ months after injury.

 

[OneSharpMarble]

I didn't say they have the same injury, I said they have similar injuries. Pay attention.

You said 26 year olds are substantially older than 24 year olds. Get a grip and own your own statements.

Well at least you're clear about expecting more from Laine than from the three other forwards.

Preferring the less-skilled, less-capable, and even more abjectly underperforming players just because they look like they hustle more is very much on brand for a certain type of sports fan. Glen Metropolit and Dale Weise superfans. Funny thing is Dach was dogging it for weeks and Slafkovsky never looks like much of a hustler and none of them are particularly good defensively either.

That's all good and fine, but the total denial of Laine's recent injury doesn't square with the obsessive excuse making for Dach's performances 12+ months after injury.

Own your own statements Doctor Recchi, you say they are similar and should be compared yet you have zero medical knowledge. Stop embarrassing yourself.

Yup one has double the experience of the others, good for you to acknowledge it. Several years in the NHL can be a massive amount of difference.

When Dach is playing bad he is "dogging" it but when Laine is playing bad it's because of magical injury or some other excuse. Surely not because a notoriously lazy player is lazy.

Once again doctor Recchi doesn't want to go into specifics but he sure loves to make assumptions.

 

[ReHabs]

Own your own statements Doctor Recchi, you say they are similar and should be compared yet you have zero medical knowledge. Stop embarrassing yourself.

One needs a medical certification to talk about hockey players with knee injuries now? You brought up the specific injuries yourself. ACL, MCL, etc. Where's your degree?

Yup one has double the experience of the others, good for you to acknowledge it. Several years in the NHL can be a massive amount of difference.

What is this argument -- that professional athletes need a specific number of games played before they give a shit? Dach had 212 NHL games over five pro seasons, if that's not enough for him to know to give a shit on the ice this season that's his own problem. You excused it as recovering from injury. Be as charitable about Laine, it's all I'm saying.

Laine's laziness and give-a-shit factor is well document and taken for granted, this is partly why he was a cap dump and we didn't need to trade a 13OA to be blessed with his services.

When Dach is playing bad he is "dogging" it but when Laine is playing bad it's because of magical injury or some other excuse. Surely not because a notoriously lazy player is lazy.

See below; I clearly called Laine performances as awful. Read.

Once again doctor Recchi doesn't want to go into specifics but he sure loves to make assumptions.

What specific do you think I've missed? You refer to this as a "magical injury". Seems like you're bent out of shape against Laine and just thrashing. He doesn't look like he works hard enough like Mathieu Darche or Steve Begin, gotta whip him.

Laine looks awful out there, that's for sure. It goes to show how much more skilled and talented he is that he looks awful, barely moves, and still puts up more points than the Triple Threat Gang.

Hyper-fixating on his awful performances goes nowhere, we were paid to take him on and he plays fewer minutes than three of the other underwhelming forwards to boot.

 

[Jeune Poulet]

I was on board with his acquisition but only carefully optimistic due to his history of being high maintenance.

He's unfortunately demonstrating both on and off thrice, why the Jackets dumped him so unceremoniously.

I originally thought he would be traded by march 2026 but I'm now wondering if they aren't going to ship him off to a retooling team before this season's deadline.

 

[Scriptor]

Can"t see him have much value right now. Habs will need to take a gamble that he ups his game next season if he comes back fully healthy from his knee injury?

They might want to see if playing with Demidov boosts his performance, or playing on a line with Caufield and Suzuki while Demidov plays with Slafkovsky?

Everything (in terms of options) will depend on what Hughes does before next season as far as Cs go?

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

Without Laine we don't have our little run for *the culture in the room*, take that as you will but you guys would all be crying even more all season lol.

Patty was always a project luxury for us , I don't see the big deal whatsoever

 

[VT]

Ok so tell me how long does it take to get back up to NHL game form after ACL and MCL surgery Doctor. Please use examples and draw upon your extensive history in the field.

Yup Newhook and Slaf have also played poorly and been fairly lampooned for it on these boards.

Laine is substantially older than all 3 and looking incredibly uninvolved which is not something new for Laine as he is a notoriously lazy player. When he isn't scoring he brings literally nothing to a line, it's fun how you're still drooling over his powerplay points, I bet you don't really want to talk about 5v5 do ya?

But Dach was operated on last Oct. 6 months is June (he was operated on Oct. 31). He had a full preseason of training before he could focus on skating, strength and conditioning. Also preseason games.

Laine had a concussion last October, what is brain issue. He broke his collarbone in late December. He was fine in January, but the mental issues, including depression, that he's had for a few years (and yet he played great in 2021/22 and especially 2022/23, I've already detailed, plus he was corralling as fast as Caufield) came to a head in the 2021/22 and 2022/23 seasons. Depression, insomnia etc are also brain violations. As a result of which he not only didn't train for a long time, he didn't watch hockey.

Moving on. In preseason he had shoulder surgery - cleaning. Nothing horrible, but it doesn't allow him to practice either. He did train hard afterwards though, with American football players, but skated minimally. That only started after he arrived in Montreal. And in the very second preseason game, he got injured, which affects conditioning training and even upper body workouts. So bye bye strength training and conditioning for a few weeks.

Not counting physical limitations, head injuries are a very important issue. With such epilepsy (I speak from personal experience) even very mild, it changes one's temperament, impairs brain work in general, etc. Any road psychiatrist will tell you that NO epileptics should work in higher functions. I don't think depression is without consequences, including brain changes. And if we add low self-confidence to that, a big problem arises.

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Btw, Dach, Slafkovský and Newhook had problems when the team played badly overall, effectively losing the chance to play PO. Laine has problems when the team has the chance to play PO. So it's understandable why he plays less. Besides that, I think MSL wants to force him to improve his play at the boards, in the net, his defense and improve his effectivy, because when he plays less, he has to be more effective.

 

[417]

Absolutely ridiculous how people are overreacting to a pretty bland quote stating the obvious.

 

[Team_Spirit]

He hopes to play more than 10-12min and rebuild his confidence as he should.

0 issue on my part I will still rock my Laine jersey.

Haters gonna hate

 

[VT]

Ok so tell me how long does it take to get back up to NHL game form after ACL and MCL surgery Doctor. Please use examples and draw upon your extensive history in the field.

Yup Newhook and Slaf have also played poorly and been fairly lampooned for it on these boards.

Laine is substantially older than all 3 and looking incredibly uninvolved which is not something new for Laine as he is a notoriously lazy player. When he isn't scoring he brings literally nothing to a line, it's fun how you're still drooling over his powerplay points, I bet you don't really want to talk about 5v5 do ya?

Tortorella, Larsen and Vincent said he is not lazy, it is not right. Even Tortorella!!!

 

[HuGort]

I was on board with his acquisition but only carefully optimistic due to his history of being high maintenance.

He's unfortunately demonstrating both on and off thrice, why the Jackets dumped him so unceremoniously.

I originally thought he would be traded by march 2026 but I'm now wondering if they aren't going to ship him off to a retooling team before this season's deadline.

I never liked the trade from the start. Found him terrible defensively, injury prone, with mental illness. At 9 million caphit too much baggage there. Wanted the caproom for this summer. But I got hit with foolish personal attacks, this board was in love with Laine at the time.

 

[417]

Tortorella, Larsen and Vincent said he is not lazy, it is not right. Even Tortorella!!!

Laine is a victim of what all streaky goal scorers are.

When they're scoring, everyone loves them and the flames are fanned.

When they're not scoring, everyone says they're lazy.

Yawn.

I knew what Patrik Laine was before the Habs acquired him and so far, he's EXACTLY what I thought he was going to be.

 

[zzoo]

Laine had problem in Winnipeg, and also in Columbus. Now we can understand why.

Personally, I really don't like his playing style, floating too much to my taste.