Patrik Laine’s falloff is wild

[Nogatco Rd]

You’re dismissing the importance of a short in-season tournament because it’s a short in-season tournament (world juniors) but then you use another short in-season tournament (4 nations) as validation. Daft.

Not really the same.

Player performance at the world juniors mid season tournament has limited predictive power with regards to players’ NHL star potential

Merely being named to the 4 nations mid season tournament for the US or Canada has tremendous “predictive” power for NHL stardom, on the order of almost 100%

Two different tournaments being referenced in two different contexts here

 

[ijuka]

Not really the same.

Player performance at the world juniors mid season tournament has limited predictive power with regards to players’ NHL star potential

Merely being named to the 4 nations mid season tournament for the US or Canada has tremendous “predictive” power for NHL stardom, on the order of almost 100%

Two different tournaments being referenced in two different contexts here

Correlation does not imply causation.

 

[Nogatco Rd]

Correlation does not imply causation.

I don’t think anyone ITT has argued otherwise

 

[ijuka]

I don’t think anyone ITT has argued otherwise

Merely being named to the 4 nations mid season tournament for the US or Canada has tremendous “predictive” power for NHL stardom, on the order of almost 100%

Here, someone did.

 

[John Mandalorian]

Not really the same.

Player performance at the world juniors mid season tournament has limited predictive power with regards to players’ NHL star potential

Merely being named to the 4 nations mid season tournament for the US or Canada has tremendous “predictive” power for NHL stardom, on the order of almost 100%

Two different tournaments being referenced in two different contexts here

Well if they’re selected for 4 nations it reflects their standing as a player further along in their career. WJ is a reflection of their standing as a prospect. If a player has a bad 4 nations, it doesn’t mean they’re suddenly a bad player. Also, players at 4 nations are paid by their teams and some might not view it with the same significance. It’s not like an 82 game nhl season isn’t already grueling enough.

 

[ReHabs]

That contact is nasty. Montreal doesn't pay all of it, do they? (If they do, what were they thinking?)

He was a cap dump, why else would CBJ pay a 2nd round pick to trade him away?

I've nothing against Laine, who clearly is a talented and potentially impactful player, but is it fair to say he's a bit like today's NBA stars -- i.e., entitled, and plays hard only when he feels like it?

Laine doesn’t seem to love hockey, he’s just good at it. But that’s a different thing from his mental illness and whatever it was that made him neglect his health and wellbeing.

He claims he’s past that now. As ugly as he looks (playing on one leg, mind you) the Habs are much better when he’s on the roster than when he’s not.

 

[thomast]

He was a cap dump, why else would CBJ pay a 2nd round pick to trade him away?

Laine doesn’t seem to love hockey, he’s just good at it. But that’s a different thing from his mental illness and whatever it was that made him neglect his health and wellbeing.

He claims he’s past that now. As ugly as he looks (playing on one leg, mind you) the Habs are much better when he’s on the roster than when he’s not.

Laine has clearly lost some of his passion for hockey, when his father died fairly early on his career at 23yo. Before that he had gaming addiction. If his father would be alive and he had passion for hockey, he would be top 20 player in the NHL no doubt. Crazy talented, but lacks the passion.

 

[SteelCityCannon]

Not exactly sure what he was supposed to do in Columbus and Montreal. These are two bottom-of-the-barrel teams

Well the CBJ brought him in to be the guy to turn it around. He was the one to get them out of the bottom of the barrel. So he was supposed to...I dunno try?

It is absolutely no coincidence that our team night and day turned around the second he was removed from it.

 

[Machinehead]

Massive analytics W tbh.

The fancy stats never liked him.

 

[The Panther]

Just checking the stats. Since leaving Winnipeg, Laine has produced 109 ES points in 208 games. That's equivalent to about 43 ES points per season.

In that timeframe, the top guys are McDavid and MacKinnon, with over 82 per season, but of course that's exceptionally rare. Laine has been producing ES points at about the same rate as players like Ryan Hartman, Trevor Moore, Drake Batherson, or Cole Caulfield. So he's been doing okay at evens.

But what's interesting in that during his Winnipeg career, he was only pacing for... 44 ES points per season! (That is, 1 more ES point per year than after.) It would appear that the downgrade in his production is on the PP.

If he's on a team that gives him the right PP opportunity, he can be very effective. But maybe he's not the player who kind of creates those opportunities himself.

 

[shaner8989]

There is a reason Laine was traded for table scraps.

8.7 is absolutely insane

 

[DRW895]

Typical Laine

 

[Lafleurs Guy]

I'll be the first to admit I was wrong when I watched him in his rookie+sophomore seasons....I legit thought he would take a run at ovechkin for consistent 50+goal seasons....man what a take looking back

His shot is very Ovechkin like. I can see why people had that belief.

Unfortunately, his play is not.

 

[LevelingSolo]

I remember when Laine vs Matthews was an actual debate online

 

[golgoXIII]

His slap shot is still one of the top in the league but he totally lost his wrist shot I don't know why ,he was scoring from the blue line in his good times but I'm not even sure if he score 1 goal on the wrister this year

 

[Saga of the Elk]

These threads -- where guys who can't be bothered to move their fingers to type properly, look up actual stats or form a coherent thought call professional athletes lazy -- are good for a chuckle but serve no real purpose except possibly embarrassing the participants (myself included).

 

[Doom Bot]

The Jets were smart to trade his lazy ass when they did.

The first Laine trade was whatever but the way they then navigated the PLD situation was masterful

 

[Doom Bot]

That contact is nasty. Montreal doesn't pay all of it, do they? (If they do, what were they thinking?)

I've nothing against Laine, who clearly is a talented and potentially impactful player, but is it fair to say he's a bit like today's NBA stars -- i.e., entitled, and plays hard only when he feels like it?

I think there were multiple teams willing to trade for him with retained salary but the reason MTL got paid a 2nd to take him was paying the full 9m for this season and next. Next year might be the first time they even need to care about cap space and they have a ton of it so there's not really any issue. I think there's almost a zero percent chance he remains with MTL afterwords. He's either going to a team who needs a PP weapon for cheap, or retires.

 

[Sky04]

Not exactly sure what he was supposed to do in Columbus and Montreal. These are two bottom-of-the-barrel teams

Then why are there less talented players outscoring him on during his time on both teams?

Cause he's lazy and sucks.

 

[Royale With Cheese]

still owns the blues though lol. 17 goals in 18 career games… absurd

And in one game against the Blues, he had 5 goals on 5 shots.

 

[Sasha Orlov]

Not exactly sure what he was supposed to do in Columbus and Montreal. These are two bottom-of-the-barrel teams

It’s always everyone else except him

Watch him play for 15 minutes and it’ll be perfectly obvious who the problem is

 

[AvroArrow]

He lacks work ethic. This is the same guy that started whining and complaining when Blake Wheeler and Scheifele asked him to workout and stop playing Fortnite all night. He complained about not wanting to do weight training, professional athlete being paid millions of dollars that doesn't want to workout.

He never played defense his entire career either, countless controller unplugged moments.

Why is anyone even shocked ? I thought everyone saw this coming. Loads of talent, 0 work ethic and discipline. Even when he scored his 40 goals, almost all of them he was standing stationary getting set up by someone.

Has a phenomenal shot but the guy straight up doesn't wanna put in any effort, maybe the laziest player I have ever seen in the NHL.

 

[BullLund]

Then why are there less talented players outscoring him on during his time on both teams?

Cause he's lazy and sucks.

Are there? I'm pretty sure he's Montreal's top scoring guy apart from the first liners and he was also Columbus's top scoring guy for two seasons before his injury.

 

[Sky04]

Are there? I'm pretty sure he's Montreal's top scoring guy apart from the first liners and he was also Columbus's top scoring guy for two seasons before his injury.

Apart from the 2 midgets on the 1st line who have half his talent yeah, I'm pretty sure we emphasized lazy already.

 

[TheGreenTBer]

It’s always everyone else except him

Watch him play for 15 minutes and it’ll be perfectly obvious who the problem is

Whenever I watch Montreal, Laine is always either moping or on some other island in the St. Lawrence.

He just doesn't use his teammates well.