Value of: Patrik Berglund

[BleedBlue14]

Schenn’s last five seasons:
70, 55, 59,47, 51

O’Reilly’s
61, 55, 60, 55, 64

I’m just saying.

I don't think anyone is knocking ROR. It's just with schwartz Schenn was basically a PPG center and comparing him post trade with a different system pre trade and role is a little tough to decipher if it was an outlier or not.

Nonetheless ROR is a great player, just don't know if we can realistically gut part of or core to try and bring him in with our current forward prospect pool and our lack of a defensive pool

 

[is the answer jesus]

It's all I can think of, it would revolve around games played concerning his knee. They can honestly write it however. I'm just trying to offer up a potential impact LW. Just may not be a deal that works for both sides

Yeah I don't know. I don't even like entertaining the idea of trading O'Reilly for a quantity type deal. I like Kyrou I think he's a real good prospect that I think will succeed at the next level. Berglund is an ok 3rd liner. The rest just seems like a bunch of scratch off tickets. Just seems like we'd be kicking the can further and further down the road with a move like this. At some point we've got to start trying to put the best collection of players on the ice we can instead of hoping and praying picks and prospects will turn out.

 

[Devilsrock17]

If I'm the blues and I have a chance to move Patrick Berglund the two teams should be Montreal and Buffalo.For Montreal it's simple
Canadiens trade Paccioretty and Jeff Petry to the blues for Kyrou,Berglund,and Parayko.

 

[trevorftw]

If I'm the blues and I have a chance to move Patrick Berglund the two teams should be Montreal and Buffalo.For Montreal it's simple
Canadiens trade Paccioretty and Jeff Petry to the blues for Kyrou,Berglund,and Parayko.

I dunno. Montreal would probably want a couple of better pieces than those toss ins w/ berglund.

 

[Novacain]

If I'm the blues and I have a chance to move Patrick Berglund the two teams should be Montreal and Buffalo.For Montreal it's simple
Canadiens trade Paccioretty and Jeff Petry to the blues for Kyrou,Berglund,and Parayko.

I wouldn't trade Parayko for Pacciorety and Petry alone.

 

[bleedblue1223]

If I'm the blues and I have a chance to move Patrick Berglund the two teams should be Montreal and Buffalo.For Montreal it's simple
Canadiens trade Paccioretty and Jeff Petry to the blues for Kyrou,Berglund,and Parayko.

Lol.

 

[Colt55]

You can't deny though, Parayko for ROR + good prospect would be a fair deal

The prospect would be compensating for age and contract space.

Something like Parayko + Schwartz + 1st/Fabbri for ROR + Ristolainen could be a larger trade that might work to rebalance both teams.

You are out of your mind.
Schwartz really and parayko. Not happening.

 

[DatDude44]

You can't deny though, Parayko for ROR + good prospect would be a fair deal

The prospect would be compensating for age and contract space.

Something like Parayko + Schwartz + 1st/Fabbri for ROR + Ristolainen could be a larger trade that might work to rebalance both teams.

Value wise yes but just logically for the blues no. and that 2nd offer is atrocious imo, schwartz is better than ROR in my opinion(and that's not a slight to ROR) and hes on a better contract. I don't see a deal here to be made unless it was something like next years 1st, tage thompson++ for ROR which im not sure they would entertain

 

[Colt55]

You can't deny though, Parayko for ROR + good prospect would be a fair deal

The prospect would be compensating for age and contract space.

Something like Parayko + Schwartz + 1st/Fabbri for ROR + Ristolainen could be a larger trade that might work to rebalance both teams.

We are not trading parayko for ror. Sorry.

 

[Brock Radunske]

I'm I far off the mark thinking he's worth a 2019 2nd?

 

[Mike Liut]

I'm I far off the mark thinking he's worth a 2019 2nd?

That’s about what I was thinking.

 

[Colt55]

Honestly,

You don't need a Pietrangelo at 1RD then have Parayko to be 2nd pair to be respectable.

You can easily fill that with a decent top 4-D out there, and not miss that much.

The blues in last several years have generally been overly obsessed with D that they grossly overlook other aspects of their roster.

No thanks. Also wether we need him or not doesn't make his value go down or more expendable. If parayko goes in a trade it's for a true #1 young center a drais type.

 

[Colt55]

Schmalz can easily fill in for one season, it's not a season you are expected to compete anyways. You still have to wait for guys like Thomas, Kyrou, Kostin, etc to come up to speed at the NHL level. With next year's UFA D group, I'm sure you can find a more than serviceable top 4 D.

How can you say we are not expected to compete. We missed playoffs by 1 point. Had several injuries all year long. Jaybo was playing with a bad hip fabbri was gone jake pooed the bed in late December and tarasenko had a off year. And several players didn't play to par. With Thomas and kyrou coming up. Fabbri back jaybo healthy we should be fine.

 

[Colt55]

If I'm the blues and I have a chance to move Patrick Berglund the two teams should be Montreal and Buffalo.For Montreal it's simple
Canadiens trade Paccioretty and Jeff Petry to the blues for Kyrou,Berglund,and Parayko.

You want kyrou and parayko for 1 year of patches and Jeff Perry. Really man That s just wrong

 

[WeWentBlues]

@Colt55 take it down a notch b.

 

[Colt55]

@Colt55 take it down a notch b.

Can't these parayko request are just getting worse everyday.

 

[DatDude44]

How can you say we are not expected to compete. We missed playoffs by 1 point. Had several injuries all year long. Jaybo was playing with a bad hip fabbri was gone jake pooed the bed in late December and tarasenko had a off year. And several players didn't play to par. With Thomas and kyrou coming up. Fabbri back jaybo healthy we should be fine.

and the fact we may trade for skinner or someone lol.

Also, if jaybo is playing it better be on the 3rd pair. Eddy-Petro, Dunn-Parayko should be the top 4 imo....which again makes me think.....why does this guy not think we're going to compete? LMAO

 

[simon IC]

For those Blues fans who advocate trading Parayko, Pietrangelo is due to be a UFA in two seasons. What if he decides to test the market, and we have already traded Parayko? Behind these those two we have Schmaltz and Bortuzzo. Borts is a UFA next year. Outside of that, we have nobody. I repeat; nobody. We do not have the RD depth to trade Parayko. There are no RD prospects coming up. Trading Colton would absolutely necessitate another trade, spending yet more assets. Trading Parayko for a forward is a bad idea.

 

[Colt55]

and the fact we may trade for skinner or someone lol.

Also, if jaybo is playing it better be on the 3rd pair. Eddy-Petro, Dunn-Parayko should be the top 4 imo....which again makes me think.....why does this guy not think we're going to compete? LMAO

I know if jaybo returns at 80% or better he will be an amazing third pair d. I love how people try to cut yoir team down then make a ridiculous offer saying 1 player will make you a contender lol. Hilarious

 

[Satanphonehome]

I think the HF boards Blues fan base has resigned itself to a year or two of being a bubble team in the hope that their kids break out before their veterans start falling by the wayside.

They’ve got some good kids and their vets aren’t that old, so if they can afford them, it’s as good a plan as any, I suppose.

Now we just wait to see if it’s Army’s plan.

 

[PatrikOverAuston]

Another day, another thread in which Blues fans pretend they don't need a #1C- or at least not more than keeping their shiny prospects.

 

[Rabid Ranger]

I just don't see how the Blues have much to get anything done. The fans don't want to trade hardly anything of value leaving spare parts that no one wants.

 

[steinerecliner]

You need to give to get something good. Maybe if you don't like ROR, aim a little higher for a player like Drai, but I doubt Oilers are interested in moving him at all. Or maybe someone like Backstrom in case Cap go into rebuild, which I don't think they are. Or you can go for Johnson from the Lightning, but is probably not as complete player as O'Reily. ROR is basically your best option via trade ATM. You can easily sign another good D to play on 2nd pair if Schmalz is not ready, anyways, a lot easier than to sign a top 6 C.

Schmaltz is not even close to the player Paryako is on minutes and ability. The way the team is right now as for as top to bottom. You think it's so easy to replace a top two defensemen on a team that IS trying to win, That what the GM said since last season ended that they where going to make moves to be a playoff team. They are not going to move him. Colton as one of the hardest slap shots in the league if you think Schmaltz is that good, why don't we just package him over Colton? Schmaltz came up after injuries came up. Keep in mind we are going INTO the season with two Defensive players coming up major surgeries. That WHY there not moving defensemen. ROR maybe great and I'm not saying he isn't but there other ways around it I believe. The idea of getting ROR and packaging one of our best winger in Schwartz and top defensemen is silly. The point is not creating new holes to fill another.

I just don't see how the Blues have much to get anything done. The fans don't want to trade hardly anything of value leaving spare parts that no one wants.

The fans are not the GM either, but most of these offers are insanely one sided against the Blues. ROR is great but the team isn't going to make a move that creates another hole in the team. Comparing Jordon Schmaltz to Paryako is insane. Think about this, The Blues gave up Lethera and a draft pick for Schenn. The fact the the offers for ROR as been empty out the farm and a top 6 and #2 defensemen is a little much.

Lets be realistic on the offers here. I would say Berglund (Play now center on there rebuild), #1 Draft pick 2019, and one of the upper prospects.

 

[Dbrownss]

I just don't see how the Blues have much to get anything done. The fans don't want to trade hardly anything of value leaving spare parts that no one wants.

That's literally every fanbase on here. We all have differences in what values will give up in trades.

Imo, if the best we can get is ROR and it requires a guy like Parayko, no I wouldn't make the trade. If that requires the team to struggle and build through the draft, then so be it.

 

[BleedBlue14]

I think the HF boards Blues fan base has resigned itself to a year or two of being a bubble team in the hope that their kids break out before their veterans start falling by the wayside.

They’ve got some good kids and their vets aren’t that old, so if they can afford them, it’s as good a plan as any, I suppose.

Now we just wait to see if it’s Army’s plan.

When we have Jake Allen in net going all in doesn't make sense. When we have this good of a top 4 and Schwartz/Schenn/Tarasenko breaking off our core doesn't make sense.

It's honestly a hole that we've been in for a long while. The issue though is there's a general hesitancy to pay a premium for a goalie barring the Ryan Miller trade.

We would be in a much better place waiting for our prospects than we would selling off the core or the farm if they pan out like they are hinting at by their progression. But there's not always a guarantee that they continue to progress.