Value of: Patrik Berglund

[SC2GM]

I don't really see the appeal of trading for O'Reilly. It's way too similar to just signing Statsny without giving up assets. Anyone excited about that prospect? I sure don't want Statsny back, so the idea of trading significant assets for O'Reilly? I'd have a hard time even getting excited over signing O'Reilly if he were a free agent. I dunno man.

 

[sandybridge]

No chance we'd do that. We're not gonna create a glaring hole that Bogosian cant fill to add a fantastic 2nd line center, when we already have Robert Thomas on the way. If there's a way to get ROR without giving up parayko, then it would make alot more sense for the blues.

However i do love the idea of Brendan Guhle. I think he's one of the most overlooked prospects in the league and I think he will be a solid top4 D with dahlin and risto long term.

You can't deny though, Parayko for ROR + good prospect would be a fair deal

The prospect would be compensating for age and contract space.

Something like Parayko + Schwartz + 1st/Fabbri for ROR + Ristolainen could be a larger trade that might work to rebalance both teams.

 

[is the answer jesus]

I know Fabbri is a wild card, but with assurances, would he be an option?

What kind of assurances? That he'll ever be the same player he was before he tore the same knee up twice? Basically Buffalo would be taking all the risk in taking him in a deal. I understand not budging on Parayko, but if Buffalo even considers moving him almost entirely for futures it better be one hell of a package. Kyrou, Berglund, and what'll likely be a late 1st or a good young guy coming off two injuries on the same knee doesn't wow me. I think that'd be very tough to sell to the fanbase if your Botterill.

 

[Dbrownss]

You can't deny though, Parayko for ROR + good prospect would be a fair deal

The prospect would be compensating for age and contract space.

Something like Parayko + Schwartz + 1st/Fabbri for ROR + Ristolainen could be a larger trade that might work to rebalance both teams.

Theres fair value while still creating holes. Moving Parayko for that.

As for Parayko+Schwartz+ for ROR+Risto doesn't work either

 

[smirob]

Paul Byron for Berglund straight up...

 

[SC2GM]

I think Ryan O'Reilly is way overrated. He plays 82 games like every season, yet his career high in points is 64. He's not even remotely close to a point per game player. Who gets super excited over a second line center? With his kind of numbers... that's the kinda stuff you should be trying to obtain via free agency, if that's "your thing."

And while it's unfair to base prices on stupidity, it's hard to not think about Larsson for Hall. Shoot, we could have gotten Hall for Shattenkirk, if he would have signed... To think about trading Parayko for O'Reilly is beyond gross.

 

[steinerecliner]

You can't deny though, Parayko for ROR + good prospect would be a fair deal

The prospect would be compensating for age and contract space.

Something like Parayko + Schwartz + 1st/Fabbri for ROR + Ristolainen could be a larger trade that might work to rebalance both teams.

How does that balance? Blues get a Center yes. Now you saying give up are #2 Defensmen and one of are current top 3 makes sense? That's not fixing there current issue. Just creating new ones. Are we going to rush in Kyrou and Thomas and expect them to be top 6 players without having any NHL ice time? The Blues only need a Center most of all, so why would they trade away there top players to gain that but create from this 2 holes. Top two winger in Schwartz and a top defense.

 

[Satanphonehome]

Lots of good feedback.

The one thing I think Blues fans are overlooking is how good O’Reilly is. It’s easy to overlook in the mess that is our team.
He’s not just filling a hole, he is adding a core piece.

Conflating him Bozak is a mistake. He would not be your number 2 Centre, he would be your number 1. Not belittling Schenn at all. His offensive numbers have been better than Schenn throughout their careers and he is significantly better at the little things.

Very few knowledgeable Sabre fans want to see him traded and are terrified of all the rumours.

 

[sandybridge]

Theres fair value while still creating holes. Moving Parayko for that.

As for Parayko+Schwartz+ for ROR+Risto doesn't work either

Honestly,

You don't need a Pietrangelo at 1RD then have Parayko to be 2nd pair to be respectable.

You can easily fill that with a decent top 4-D out there, and not miss that much.

The blues in last several years have generally been overly obsessed with D that they grossly overlook other aspects of their roster.

 

[steinerecliner]

Honestly,

You don't need a Pietrangelo at 1RD then have Parayko to be 2nd pair to be respectable.

You can easily fill that with a decent top 4-D out there, and not miss that much.

The blues in last several years have generally been overly obsessed with D that they grossly overlook other aspects of their roster.

When half you defensive goes to free agent next off season? Petro goes in two years. Why would we move the only player signed on beyond 3 years from now on the defense? More so the guy who everyone sees as a stud? Makes no sense to move him.

 

[Fjordy]

I am not sure that we need Parayko, with such depth of LHD, Dahlin for certain will play RHD, he's comfortable there..

 

[Dbrownss]

What kind of assurances? That he'll ever be the same player he was before he tore the same knee up twice? Basically Buffalo would be taking all the risk in taking him in a deal. I understand not budging on Parayko, but if Buffalo even considers moving him almost entirely for futures it better be one hell of a package. Kyrou, Berglund, and what'll likely be a late 1st or a good young guy coming off two injuries on the same knee doesn't wow me. I think that'd be very tough to sell to the fanbase if your Botterill.

Most likely multiple 1sts depending on Fabbri's rebound.

Fabbri is the only LW we have that could be viewed as movable.

 

[SC2GM]

Lots of good feedback.

The one thing I think Blues fans are overlooking is how good O’Reilly is. It’s easy to overlook in the mess that is our team.
He’s not just filling a hole, he is adding a core piece.

Conflating him Bozak is a mistake. He would not be your number 2 Centre, he would be your number 1. Not belittling Schenn at all. His offensive numbers have been better than Schenn throughout their careers and he is significantly better at the little things.

Very few knowledgeable Sabre fans want to see him traded and are terrified of all the rumours.

Schenn was a 70 point player last season and played great defense... Given Schenn's chemistry with Schwartz and the fact that Schwartz will be on the top line... Guess what that means -- O'Reilly would be our second line center. Zero interest.

 

[sandybridge]

How does that balance? Blues get a Center yes. Now you saying give up are #2 Defensmen and one of are current top 3 makes sense? That's not fixing there current issue. Just creating new ones. Are we going to rush in Kyrou and Thomas and expect them to be top 6 players without having any NHL ice time? The Blues only need a Center most of all, so why would they trade away there top players to gain that but create from this 2 holes. Top two winger in Schwartz and a top defense.

Schmalz can easily fill in for one season, it's not a season you are expected to compete anyways. You still have to wait for guys like Thomas, Kyrou, Kostin, etc to come up to speed at the NHL level. With next year's UFA D group, I'm sure you can find a more than serviceable top 4 D.

 

[is the answer jesus]

I think Ryan O'Reilly is way overrated. He plays 82 games like every season, yet his career high in points is 64. He's not even remotely close to a point per game player. Who gets super excited over a second line center? With his kind of numbers... that's the kinda stuff you should be trying to obtain via free agency, if that's "your thing."

And while it's unfair to base prices on stupidity, it's hard to not think about Larsson for Hall. Shoot, we could have gotten Hall for Shattenkirk, if he would have signed... To think about trading Parayko for O'Reilly is beyond gross.

You aren't getting a player like O'Reilly in free agency. PPG players are the very best players in the game. A center that can do all the defensive heavy lifting while still hitting 60 points a year is a 1st line guy. If you don't have interest in him that's fine. Go give Tyler Bozak 5 million dollars a year and see how that turns out for you.

 

[SC2GM]

You aren't getting a player like O'Reilly in free agency. PPG players are the very best players in the game. A center that can do all the defensive heavy lifting while still hitting 60 points a year is a 1st line guy. If you don't have interest in him that's fine. Go give Tyler Bozak 5 million dollars a year and see how that turns out for you.

Like I said. Schenn does all of what O'Reilly is supposed to, and he would have been a point per game player last season, if not for the Blues slumping like crazy (Schwartz injury mainly, I guess). I'll take his 70 points and his offensive upside as our first line center over O'Reilly. I mean, jesus... we could use Fabbri as our second line center and get similar production if not better. It's beyond pointless to get O'Reilly. Even if he were a freaking free agent it would be questionable.

And, moreover, doesn't O"Reilly want to be traded? I mean, wth... how does that not hurt his trade value. These proposals are insane, all things considered.

 

[sandybridge]

When half you defensive goes to free agent next off season? Petro goes in two years. Why would we move the only player signed on beyond 3 years from now on the defense? More so the guy who everyone sees as a stud? Makes no sense to move him.

You need to give to get something good. Maybe if you don't like ROR, aim a little higher for a player like Drai, but I doubt Oilers are interested in moving him at all. Or maybe someone like Backstrom in case Cap go into rebuild, which I don't think they are. Or you can go for Johnson from the Lightning, but is probably not as complete player as O'Reily. ROR is basically your best option via trade ATM. You can easily sign another good D to play on 2nd pair if Schmalz is not ready, anyways, a lot easier than to sign a top 6 C.

 

[CaptPantalones]

I like the deal with Kyrou and Berglund for ROR, but I'd also like to see Fabbri in the deal, then ROR+ will go in the opposite direction.

I'm the same way, but I have a ton of interest in Tage Thompson

 

[is the answer jesus]

Like I said. Schenn does all of what O'Reilly is supposed to, and he would have been a point per game player last season, if not for the Blues slumping like crazy (Schwartz injury mainly, I guess). I'll take his 70 points and his offensive upside as our first line center over O'Reilly. I mean, jesus... we could use Fabbri as our second line center and get similar production if not better. It's beyond pointless to get O'Reilly. Even if he were a freaking free agent it would be questionable.

And, moreover, doesn't O"Reilly want to be traded? I mean, wth... how does that not hurt his trade value. These proposals are insane, all things considered.

Schenn is the better offensive player no doubt, he doesn't have the defensive game O'Reilly has though. You're wrong [mod] if you think Robby Fabbri can play the same role and produce the way ROR can "if not better". And no there's no indication O'Reilly "wants to be traded".

 

[WeWentBlues]

I'd prefer the Blues kept Berlgund and moved Sobotka.

 

[is the answer jesus]

Most likely multiple 1sts depending on Fabbri's rebound.

Fabbri is the only LW we have that could be viewed as movable.

Yeah I don't know how that would work. I've never seen a deal with multiple conditional 1sts that hinge on a players health.

 

[Dbrownss]

Yeah I don't know how that would work. I've never seen a deal with multiple conditional 1sts that hinge on a players health.

It's all I can think of, it would revolve around games played concerning his knee. They can honestly write it however. I'm just trying to offer up a potential impact LW. Just may not be a deal that works for both sides

 

[Satanphonehome]

Schenn’s last five seasons:
70, 55, 59,47, 51

O’Reilly’s
61, 55, 60, 55, 64

I’m just saying.

 

[BleedBlue14]

You can't deny though, Parayko for ROR + good prospect would be a fair deal

The prospect would be compensating for age and contract space.

Something like Parayko + Schwartz + 1st/Fabbri for ROR + Ristolainen could be a larger trade that might work to rebalance both teams.

There is no deal that would include Parayko and Schwartz and not an Eichel. That's guttinng a 3rd of our core. Not to mention that Schwartz is debatably our best forward. Extremely underrated player. Wish he could stay healthy for full years.

 

[stl76]

Honestly,

You don't need a Pietrangelo at 1RD then have Parayko to be 2nd pair to be respectable.

You can easily fill that with a decent top 4-D out there, and not miss that much.

The blues in last several years have generally been overly obsessed with D that they grossly overlook other aspects of their roster.

Schmalz can easily fill in for one season, it's not a season you are expected to compete anyways. You still have to wait for guys like Thomas, Kyrou, Kostin, etc to come up to speed at the NHL level. With next year's UFA D group, I'm sure you can find a more than serviceable top 4 D.

Please stop acting like you know our team better than we do. It's condescending, and frankly, if you think Schmaltz can easily fill in for Parayko then you clearly have no idea what you're talking about. There are maybe 40-50 dmen in the entire league who can play the minutes Parayko does. Next season is not a write off for St. Louis.