News Article: Patrick O'Sullivan to Edmonton; Justin Williams to LA (3-way Trade)

[LA Kings Cup Champs]

I'm sorry, but the "but the injuries" or "if he's healthy" stuff is nonsense. How anyone who has been a Kings fan for more than five minutes could support trading youth for injured vets. I don't care about his character. It's not all about that. It's about getting HEALTHY, TALENTED players on this team, and O'Sullivan was both.

I've never been his biggest fan either, but it's just a horrible trade all around from a value standpoint. AND we throw in a 2nd? Really? I don't care how shallow you think this draft is, it's never shallow enough to pass on having the option to select a player at an earlier time.

Zeus says hi!

 

[William H Bonney]

That's what Carolina gave up for Cole, who's injury history includes a ****ing broken neck.

That was such a shame for Cole. He was dynamite that year before getting injured. Guy just hasn't been the same since then.

 

[Zad]

I'll trade you for my Palffy jersey.

- T

Trades only happen around here if they are in 3s.

DIEHARD gives you his O'Sullivan jersey + his car

You trade his O'Sullivan jersey + his car to me

I give you my Kings yellow practice jersey with the mustard stain and my daugther's poopy diaper

Deal?

 

[King RAZZ]

I'm still ticked off at CAR for giving us Teverdorksky (or however that name was spelled)... That alone made this a bad deal...even if we DID get JMFJ out of it...

The part that REALLY makes ME scratch my head on this one was the 2nd round pick and not POS for Williams... Sure...Williams wasn't even on MY radar when it came to players to be traded for POS and STILL ISN'T (there are 30-40 players that I would have chosen to go after before he came into consideration)...it's up to DL to prove us wrong on this one...and it's going to take a HELL of a lot of proving to do justice for this one...

 

[Legionnaire]

Zeus says hi!

Up yours Zeus. Get better.

 

[damagecontrol85]

Sure, if they chose to ignore other things like demanding a fortune and then not earning it. O'Sullivan held out to get a contract significantly more than he ended up with (3 yrs/$8.75M). Do you think he's earning the contract he GOT, much less the contract he HELD OUT for?? The kid is 24 and should be improving...he's regressing.



That's a copout. Bruce Boudreau didn't have a bad effect as the Caps' new coach. Babcock didn't have a bad effect on the Wings. Carlisle didn't on the Ducks.

I'm not sure where you get your numbers from, but Williams is earning less than $4M ($3.5M), but his injuries are what's keeping him from earning it. I don't blame players for injuries. I agree Stoll isn't earning his $4.1M but he's coming ALOT closer than O'Sullivan is. But I think you'd have a hard time complaining that Kopitar isn't earning his $765,000 salary.



Well, when Joe Sakic was 26 he started getting hurt alot (47, 82, 65, 64, 73, 60 games). He did ok.



Well, I'm not a big Lombardi fan, but I disagree. The one thing I like the most about him is that he's about as honest as a GM can be. I don't know what you expect out of a GM if you think he's dishonest.

Williams struggled because he was young, he was an 18 yr old rookie. They didn't want to trade him but Carolina wasn't going to give up Markov unless they did. By the time he was 24 he scored 31 goals. O'Sullivan has regressed.



Maybe so, but I have more faith in doctors than you do. I've worked with medical experts for 20 yrs, including some sports doctors and I don't find them as deceptive as you do.



Brown was given the "C" so he's adjusting to that too. Kopitar is 21, not 24.

What about his struggles is it you understand? That message board posters criticize him?



He was coming back from a serious injury and a slap shot broke his hand. THOSE are struggles I can understand.



So you blame Williams for allowing a slap shot to break a bone in his hand?

And for people who are so concerned about his injuries, read this: http://www.thestar.com/Sports/article/590192

Williams sat out the first two months of the season with a torn Achilles tendon. He missed 43 games last season after having knee surgery, an that injury ended a string of 205 consecutive games played since March 2004 – the fourth-longest streak in franchise history.

He's had a couple bad injuries...after playing 205 consecutive games. And according to the doctors (I know, a team can't trust their own team doctors), his legs are healed.

Great, great post. Everyone really needs to read this again... if DL did his due diligence and made sure Williams could actually be durable again a la Handzus, we just made off like BANDITS in this trade.

Buh-bye Sully

 

[DIEHARD the King fan]

Sports physicians are about as trustworthy as defense lawyers.


Lomardi says a lot of things, most of which have proven to be false. He also said O'Sullivan was one of our core players and then traded him. Williams, in his early career in Philly, struggled with coaching changes and philosophy changes. Sound familiar? Sounds like Patty O to me.

Careful there pal, you obviously know not of what you speak, at least in regard to the bolded portion of your post. Many, but not all, of my colleagues in the defense bar are the most trustworthy people you could ever know. Apparently you either had a bad personal experience, or took seriously one too many lawyer jokes!

Judging by your screen name, maybe you have us confused with the FBI.

 

[Roxo]

Let's be honest, Dean Lombardi could trade the entire team for a bag of used pucks and a couple of wood sticks and most of you guys would come on here and defend his actions. Cammy is greedy, POS sucks, Lubo had that damn NTC, Boo Blake, McCauley was a freak injury, Cloutier was bad timing, Crawford was the right choice at the wrong time, Calder is going to catch fire the rest of the season, Handzus sets up a helluva a screen, Preissing looks great in a suit and tie, Brian Boyle just needs more quality minutes, Jack Johnson is being held back, etc.. Out of all the trades made today the LA Kings got the guy with a cast on his hand-just what this young team needed to make it's final push for the playoffs!

I couldn't have put it any better.

 

[VEGASKING]

Sully WILL be a PPG guy.

Is he getting sent back down to the AHL? It certainly won't be in the NHL.

 

[Zad]

Hey

Ducks traded PAHLSSON to Chicago for James Wisniewski

 

[Omni Owl]

As far as I'm concerned, the trade was a swap of damaged goods (and a second); Williams, with a LONG list of prior injuries, and O'Sullivan, who I believe has some mental issues to work out. It'll take some time to see who comes out on top.

 

[Reaper45]

Is he getting sent back down to the AHL? It certainly won't be in the NHL.

Vegas King wins best avatar of the year award!

 

[Reaper45]

Hey

Ducks traded PAHLSSON to Chicago for James Wisniewski

Pahlsson has mono and was traded for a guy who's had multiple surgery's on the same knee.

 

[Roxo]

Hey

Ducks traded PAHLSSON to Chicago for James Wisniewski

Awesome, now one of my favorite players doesn't play for the enemy.

 

[Legionnaire]

But what does history have to do with Williams? If you never ever trade for injured guys, there's ALOT of guys you'd never want.

And what is it about 14 goals in from a 24 yr old screams talent? I like O'Sullivan just fine and even more a year ago...he's just not making the progress he should have this year.

Then why don't the good teams make moves like this?

It's a horrible move from and asset standpoint alone. You KEEP O'Sullivan and the ****ing second and keep letting him develop. We lose NOTHING by taking a chance on O'Sullivan. We lose at least a 2nd taking a chance on Williams.

I like Williams, don't get me wrong, but he could have been had for less at another time. Same goes for Cole. O'Sullivan would have been an extremely valuable asset on draft day.

Just like with Cammalleri, he got a terrible return on the investment.

 

[jt]

Because O'Sullivan was one of our best defensive forwards and led our forwards in ice time for that very reason.

Eh? You need a fact-checker. O'Sullivan was no slouch in ice time but he wasn't #1:

Kopitar: 20:29
Frolov: 19:54
Brown: 19:39
O'Sullivan: 19:25
Handzus: 18:50

 

[Omni Owl]

So ultimately: Moller > O'Sullivan > Cammalleri, according to Lombardi.

 

[William H Bonney]

Sure, if they chose to ignore other things like demanding a fortune and then not earning it. O'Sullivan held out to get a contract significantly more than he ended up with (3 yrs/$8.75M). Do you think he's earning the contract he GOT, much less the contract he HELD OUT for?? The kid is 24 and should be improving...he's regressing.

I agree that O'Sullivan hurt himself this season by missing camp. He's not currently earning his contract.

They are all regressing offensively under Murray.

That's a copout. Bruce Boudreau didn't have a bad effect as the Caps' new coach. Babcock didn't have a bad effect on the Wings. Carlisle didn't on the Ducks.

Where did I say every new coach has a negative effect?

You make it sound as if O'Sullivan is the only one on the team struggling offensively. They all are.

I'm not sure where you get your numbers from, but Williams is earning less than $4M ($3.5M), but his injuries are what's keeping him from earning it. I don't blame players for injuries. I agree Stoll isn't earning his $4.1M but he's coming ALOT closer than O'Sullivan is. But I think you'd have a hard time complaining that Kopitar isn't earning his $765,000 salary.

Stoll with one more point is A LOT closer? uh, okay.

Kopitar is currently earning his contract, but unless we see about a 30 point increase next year he won't be.

Well, when Joe Sakic was 26 he started getting hurt alot (47, 82, 65, 64, 73, 60 games). He did ok.

Well, I hope we got Sakic.

I hope Williams comes back fine, but the odds/history aren't on his side. Time will tell.

Williams struggled because he was young, he was an 18 yr old rookie. They didn't want to trade him but Carolina wasn't going to give up Markov unless they did. By the time he was 24 he scored 31 goals. O'Sullivan has regressed.

All players progress differently. Williams has regressed since he was 24 as well, injuries or not.

Maybe so, but I have more faith in doctors than you do. I've worked with medical experts for 20 yrs, including some sports doctors and I don't find them as deceptive as you do.

Williams could come back and be healthy the rest of his career but as I said earlier, the odds/history aren't on his side, whether they were fluke injuries or not.

Brown was given the "C" so he's adjusting to that too. Kopitar is 21, not 24.

What about his struggles is it you understand? That message board posters criticize him?

Players progress at different stages. They're all adjusting and it shows, which is why all the "O'Sullivan is garbage, he's done improving, etc" stuff is BS.

He was coming back from a serious injury and a slap shot broke his hand. THOSE are struggles I can understand.

Earlier you told me not to worry about his injury history but now it's an excuse? Shouldn't that worry us?

So you blame Williams for allowing a slap shot to break a bone in his hand?

And for people who are so concerned about his injuries, read this: http://www.thestar.com/Sports/article/590192

Williams sat out the first two months of the season with a torn Achilles tendon. He missed 43 games last season after having knee surgery, an that injury ended a string of 205 consecutive games played since March 2004 – the fourth-longest streak in franchise history.

He's had a couple bad injuries...after playing 205 consecutive games. And according to the doctors (I know, a team can't trust their own team doctors), his legs are healed.

I don't blame him for any of his injuries, but it doesn't change the fact that they've obviously affected him.

Hopefully you're right. If it's 05-06 Williams we get, I'm fine with the trade, other than the pick.

 

[Sam]

Well, when Joe Sakic was 26 he started getting hurt alot (47, 82, 65, 64, 73, 60 games). He did ok.

The 47 games played was the lockout season. He missed 1 game that season. In 8 seasons, Williams will have missed about 35 more games than Sakic did his first 18 seasons. Until proven otherwise, Williams is injury prone.

 

[William H Bonney]

Eh? You need a fact-checker. O'Sullivan was no slouch in ice time but he wasn't #1:

Kopitar: 20:29
Frolov: 19:54
Brown: 19:39
O'Sullivan: 19:25
Handzus: 18:50

I just saw that, I was looking at Quincey's TOI as he was right below him.

My point there still stands though.

 

[sueroe]

or do you sit on him and continuously try to stuff his roundness into a square hole? or yet he becomes Ladislav Nagy, Antoine Vermette, Joffrey Lupul, etc. etc.??? Dan Cleary???

KYLE CALDER?

No i think if it is the case that his skill set isn't the fit for the system or where the team is at, i would move him and like i said i wasn't completely surprised. He is a kid that typically goes through this type of struggle and is stubborn enough to work it out and come out the other side, so the move is still risky, but that is business.

In respect to your comments about the kid not being "squared away upstairs", I'm not sure what you mean there. For sure he will be impacted by the history, and maybe he has issues, but i am sure he has strength and tenacity that others don't. Perhaps you mean intense self criticism that impacts his decision making. i dunno.

 

[VictoryRose]

I like Williams, don't get me wrong, but he could have been had for less at another time.

You're totally and completely wrong. If Justin comes back at 85% of his former form. Even 80%, next season, with 2+ years left on his deal @ 3.5, he costs more in a move at ANY time of the year than a massively underperforming (albeit, highly talented) player w/ a well documented reputation, and a very low 2nd (being calgarys at the moment). That's just the reality of the situation.

 

[Kings man 4 life]

I still don't see how everybody is pissing vinegar about a team that was supposed to suck so badly they were ganna draft one of JT or VH. Were sorta still in the playoff race that alone is progress. Stop looking thoruhg everything with 41 year old pissy goggles. Not every player who has been hurt before ends up a Palffy or AD. If your too afriad to take a risk now and then well you don't do ****. Roll with it. I'll be optimistic and not give myself premature balding.

 

[VictoryRose]

I cannot wait to revisit this thread in 365 days. Bookmarked.

 

[William H Bonney]

Careful there pal, you obviously know not of what you speak, at least in regard to the bolded portion of your post. Many, but not all, of my colleagues in the defense bar are the most trustworthy people you could ever know. Apparently you either had a bad personal experience, or took seriously one too many lawyer jokes!

Judging by your screen name, maybe you have us confused with the FBI.

HAHA. I was just playing on the stereotype for the point's sake.

The FBI ain't got nothing on me!