Value of: Patrick Marleau on July 2nd

[KevinRedkey]

Current pace (82 games): 19 goals, 40 points
19/20 season age: 40
Cap hit: 6.250
Salary: 1.250

Notes:
- Leafs goal is to open up cap space for Marner/Matthews/Kapanen
- Marleau has a full NMC and would likely deny a trade to less desirable locations
- Leafs will have paid his 3.000 bonus on July 1st, making his salary only 1.250

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[2022 Stanley Cup]

Current pace (82 games): 19 goals, 40 points
19/20 season age: 40
Cap hit: 6.250
Salary: 1.250

Notes:
- Leafs goal is to open up cap space for Marner/Matthews/Kapanen
- Marleau has a full NMC and would likely deny a trade to less desirable locations
- Leafs will have paid his 3.000 bonus on July 1st, making his salary only 1.250

I find it doubtful that Marleau, barring a career-changing injury, will want to play anywhere aside from Toronto. I think there are very few places that would want him as well. The obvious answers are San Jose and Arizona but both seem unlikely due to the SJ's cap situation and ARI's just not as competitive as Toronto. I'd take about any bottom 6 winger on an expiring deal for him but I'd rather get rid of Zaitsev personally.

If all is lost MLSE can probably pay NASA to shoot Zaitsev into the sun. Maybe Mars... idrc.

 

[TkachukNorris79]

Honestly, I would hate to help out the leafs, but Ottawa would absolutely do that. Low salary but a high cap hit to hit the floor. And a vet to mentor the kids. Wouldn't give much for him though.

Also, not sure why he'd ever want to come here lol

 

[ACC1224]

Current pace (82 games): 19 goals, 40 points
19/20 season age: 40
Cap hit: 6.250
Salary: 1.250

Notes:
- Leafs goal is to open up cap space for Marner/Matthews/Kapanen
- Marleau has a full NMC and would likely deny a trade to less desirable locations
- Leafs will have paid his 3.000 bonus on July 1st, making his salary only 1.250

NMC going no where

 

[Empoleon8771]

He's not waiving his NMC unless he's going to a better contender than the Leafs and most contenders probably wouldn't want Marleau at his salary, so I think you're SOL with that contract. You can try to retain money to move him, but at that point, I think they'd be better off just keeping him.

 

[WTFMAN99]

The only scenario that really makes sense is if Marleau is ready to retire and help the Leafs.

Hossa and Zetterberg didn’t seem to care for 1-2m, Marleau probably isn’t excited for that salary either at 39, going on 40.

Leafs pay bonus to Marleau on July 1st

Leafs send Marleau and a pick to Arizona afterwards to Arizona, he retires. Arizona gets the 6.25m cap hit but pay zero actual dollars. Leafs lose a pick but get cap savings.

That’s basically it.

 

[haveandare]

I'd take him on NYR if Toronto gave something to move the contract.

I doubt anyone will take him without a bonus but there are a few really bad GMs out there so who knows

 

[sparxx87]

The only scenario that really makes sense is if Marleau is ready to retire and help the Leafs.

Hossa and Zetterberg didn’t seem to care for 1-2m, Marleau probably isn’t excited for that salary either at 39, going on 40.

Leafs pay bonus to Marleau on July 1st

Leafs send Marleau and a pick to Arizona afterwards to Arizona, he retires. Arizona gets the 6.25m cap hit but pay zero actual dollars. Leafs lose a pick but get cap savings.

That’s basically it.

And they do this with an open ticket to return in a year as a pro scout/consultant. They can grossly overpay him later on if he’s cooperative now.

I only say this now because he’s taken a step back this year. He’s a proud guy, and an inability to play at the level he’s accustomed to might see him make a tough decision this summer/fall.

The Leafs can help him wipe his tears with hundred dollar bills.

 

[WSS11]

You’re stuck with Patty and that cap hit for another year. Accept it Leafs fans

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

Marleau + 2020 3rd to Montreal for a nothing contract.

Marleau 50%retained to San Jose for a 3rd round pick in 2020..

Assuming San Jose wants him back and Montreal still has space, which is likely.

 

[Randy Randerson]

if Marleau is willing to waive, it won't cost anything to trade him as long as he'll go to a cap floor type team. A "big name" that is still sort of marketable at a cap hit that lets that team pay less actual money than the cap floor is valuable to any budget team that doesn't want to look like it's throwing in the towel

 

[Empoleon8771]

The only scenario that really makes sense is if Marleau is ready to retire and help the Leafs.

Hossa and Zetterberg didn’t seem to care for 1-2m, Marleau probably isn’t excited for that salary either at 39, going on 40.

Leafs pay bonus to Marleau on July 1st

Leafs send Marleau and a pick to Arizona afterwards to Arizona, he retires. Arizona gets the 6.25m cap hit but pay zero actual dollars. Leafs lose a pick but get cap savings.

That’s basically it.

Okay, but why is Marleau waiving his NMC and retiring instead of just trying to win a cup with the Leafs as a player? What indications has he given that he doesn't want to play hockey anymore?

 

[KevinRedkey]

NMC going no where

I'm not a Leafs fan. I think Marleau might be difficult to move. I created the thread to see if there's any realistic options.

 

[WTFMAN99]

Okay, but why is Marleau waiving his NMC and retiring instead of just trying to win a cup with the Leafs as a player? What indications has he given that he doesn't want to play hockey anymore?

It’s pure speculation, I only outlined the one scenario I could see him being traded which is to help the Leafs and retire.

It would definitely require Marleau wanting to retire though. The structure of the contract is a bit interesting. I just wonder if there was a handshake agreement when the deal was signed that both parties could revisit where they’re at after the 2nd season. That is pure speculation on my part though.

Those are the only 2 scenarios that I see with Marleau. He either plays out his contract in Toronto or opts for retirement. He isn’t going anywhere else imo.

 

[sansabri]

Marleau + 2020 3rd to Montreal for a nothing contract.

Marleau 50%retained to San Jose for a 3rd round pick in 2020..

Assuming San Jose wants him back and Montreal still has space, which is likely.

We got more than that for buying out Mason.

 

[Boondock]

I've said this in the past, but I'll repeat for this thread. Marleau signed with the Leafs to try to win a cup. He specifically signed a NMC, so I don't see a circumstance that would make Marleau decide to waive his NMC just as his chance for a cup is becoming a reality. I assume Marleau is a Leaf until the end of next year.

 

[ToDavid]

I don't expect him to be moved. I doubt he wants to move his family for what will likely be his last year in the league. Only place I could see him being open to, maybe, would be back to SJS but they have their own cap needs.

It's not the end of the world if we can't move him. It's one year, there's other trades that can be made, and he has had a massively positive impact on our young players.

 

[fasterthanlight]

Doesn't matthews like... live with him or something? Anyway --- he won't waive, and we sure as heck don't want him here at that cap hit (or we would have signed him for it lol).

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Just make shit up like Chicago did with Hossa and LTIR him for a year if you have too.

or let him keep playing he's clearly still effective

 

[Phaneufasaurus Rex]

What if he retired and Toronto offered him a job in the organization for double?

However, I figure he will be traded to SJ for a pick and play out his last year.

 

[Michel Beauchamp]

It’s pure speculation, I only outlined the one scenario I could see him being traded which is to help the Leafs and retire.

It would definitely require Marleau wanting to retire though. The structure of the contract is a bit interesting. I just wonder if there was a handshake agreement when the deal was signed that both parties could revisit where they’re at after the 2nd season. That is pure speculation on my part though.

Those are the only 2 scenarios that I see with Marleau. He either plays out his contract in Toronto or opts for retirement. He isn’t going anywhere else imo.

If that is established, it will be costly for the Leafs...

 

[Albus Dumbledore]

Doesn't matthews like... live with him or something? Anyway --- he won't waive, and we sure as heck don't want him here at that cap hit (or we would have signed him for it lol).

marner and matthews visit his family a lot, and do stuff with his family too. i dont think they live together though.

 

[Michel Beauchamp]

Just make **** up like Chicago did with Hossa and LTIR him for a year if you have too.

or let him keep playing he's clearly still effective

Unless I'm sadly mistaken (and I don't believe I am), there is no LTIR benefit for a 35+ contract.

 

[TakeTheBody]

Being a Leaf fan I've appreciated Patty but at the same time would like him gone after this season. One problem. Ain't ever happening. Weren't the Leafs the only team to offer him three seasons? This is one of the main reasons he signed. That third year. Here. Sometimes those three year deals bite you in the ass. Next year we get bitten.

 

[Zonk]

Unless I'm sadly mistaken (and I don't believe I am), there is no LTIR benefit for a 35+ contract.

I think that you mixed this up with retirement. There is no cap relief if Marleau retires, but there would be if he is on LTIR.