Value of: Patrick Kane

[Taylorst]

Its hysterical you talk about how hockey is team sport then completely ignore the supporting cast that Kane had during his cup runs. Yea its tough with Toews, Keith, Seabrook, Hossa, byfuglien etc. Yea McDavid hasn't had anything remotely close to them.

Again you want to be embarrassed go put a poll up of who the better player is now. McDavid or Kane. You will be laughed off this board and you know it.

I'm just stating facts, McDavid has had a supporting cast and he clearly couldn't rise to the occasion. It's just like ovie the coaching staff sat him down and told him point blank regular season accolades mean nothing unless he can rise to the next level.

I guarantee most honest posters will say McDavid is great , however he hasn't achieved or produced anything beyond regular season personal stats .

Touching upon Chicago's players you mentioned all of them at that point with the exception of Hossa had yet proven themselves. Kane and toews were in there 2nd or 3rd year in the league hardly established keith seabrook and buff were 23 and 24 years old young unproven.

It doesn't matter if you produce 71 points or 100 points , what ultimately sets players apart is being clutch and rising to the next level when the games truly matter , Kane has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt to be at this point the better of the 2 players, maybe if McDavid wins a cup or 2 than yeah your argument holds value.

 

[Flan the incredible]

I'm just stating facts, McDavid has had a supporting cast and he clearly couldn't rise to the occasion. It's just like ovie the coaching staff sat him down and told him point blank regular season accolades mean nothing unless he can rise to the next level.

I guarantee most honest posters will say McDavid is great , however he hasn't achieved or produced anything beyond regular season personal stats .

Touching upon Chicago's players you mentioned all of them at that point with the exception of Hossa had yet proven themselves. Kane and toews were in there 2nd or 3rd year in the league hardly established keith seabrook and buff were 23 and 24 years old young unproven.

It doesn't matter if you produce 71 points or 100 points , what ultimately sets players apart is being clutch and rising to the next level when the games truly matter , Kane has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt to be at this point the better of the 2 players, maybe if McDavid wins a cup or 2 than yeah your argument holds value.

The fact you think you are stating facts and not opinion is pretty sad. You trying to push aside the fact those teams were stacked with better talent then McDavid has ever played with by saying "well they were unproven at the time" is pretty ridiculous. That's like me saying Gretzky had nothing to do with Blair McDonald scoring 46 goals in his rookie year because you know Gretzky was unproven at that time. Yup that ridiculous.

You think RNH is as good as Marion Hossa?
You think Nurse is as good as Keith?
Who is comparable to Patrick Sharpe?
How about Seabrook?
I could go on and on but I am pretty sure everyone but you probably get the point.

Its amazing how playing with better talent makes you clutch. I wonder if people said the same thing about Hasek before he dragged the Sabres to the cup finals. He wasn't clutch huh?

Which makes me think. Why isn't Kane dragging the Hawks to the playoffs? Why isn't he being clutch? Let me guess you are going to say the team sucks.

I get you worship Kane he is a great player but if McDavid is on those Hawks teams I am fairly certain they still are raising the cup. Kane is a HOF player but if McDavid stays healthy he is going to absolutely destroy Kanes numbers. It won't even be close. Winning a cup is a team accomplishment. Gretzky didn't win it every year.

 

[rogking65]

I completely disagree with your opinion. Have you looked up Kanes stats ? Remember chicago is struggling offensively and kane is still producing if he had more help consistently he is still in the to 5 worst case top 10 in the league.

I would agree most hockey players start to decline around 28 years old at 33 years old kane is still exceedingly great and his numbers and linemates reflect his value . He plays for a offensive winger kane also plays defense very solid.

They don't call him showtime for no reason. If kane is traded he will bring back a nice haul , the difference in what kane can return compared to jack eichel is a no Brainer kane has 3 cups plus a scoring title and has proven to be a game breaker , eichel injured hasn't lead his team to anything or proven to be a serious threat like kaner.

Kane is a first ballot HOF easily

you are very wrong here. Do you think Kane at his age is more valuable to a team thn Eichel. Kane might have 1 or 2 more productive yrs left whereas Eichel might have 10. Do you think Vegas would trade Eichel for Kane, 1 for 1

 

[Taylorst]

The fact you think you are stating facts and not opinion is pretty sad. You trying to push aside the fact those teams were stacked with better talent then McDavid has ever played with by saying "well they were unproven at the time" is pretty ridiculous. That's like me saying Gretzky had nothing to do with Blair McDonald scoring 46 goals in his rookie year because you know Gretzky was unproven at that time. Yup that ridiculous.

You think RNH is as good as Marion Hossa?
You think Nurse is as good as Keith?
Who is comparable to Patrick Sharpe?
How about Seabrook?
I could go on and on but I am pretty sure everyone but you probably get the point.

Its amazing how playing with better talent makes you clutch. I wonder if people said the same thing about Hasek before he dragged the Sabres to the cup finals. He wasn't clutch huh?

Which makes me think. Why isn't Kane dragging the Hawks to the playoffs? Why isn't he being clutch? Let me guess you are going to say the team sucks.

I get you worship Kane he is a great player but if McDavid is on those Hawks teams I am fairly certain they still are raising the cup. Kane is a HOF player but if McDavid stays healthy he is going to absolutely destroy Kanes numbers. It won't even be close. Winning a cup is a team accomplishment. Gretzky didn't win it every year.

All I hear in your argument is these players chicago had who mind you were the same age as the players edmonton had at the time were all stars which none of Chicago's core players had yet solidified anything .

Patrick sharp wasn't a elite player by no means he didn't start to produce goals until he was 28 and only had a few years of success.

Let's compare McDavid numbers and accomplishments in his 1st 6 years to kane.
Kane rookie season 07/08 71 points
Year 2 western conference finals
Year 3 stanley cup
Yr 4 first round out
Year 5 first round out
Year 6 2nd stanley cup

McDavid 46 points 1st year
Years 2 through current 0 stanley cups

Once again when McDavid leads his team to a cup at least then he will have proven he is a money player until then he isn't in the same category as Kane .

 

[rogking65]

All I hear in your argument is these players chicago had who mind you were the same age as the players edmonton had at the time were all stars which none of Chicago's core players had yet solidified anything .

Patrick sharp wasn't a elite player by no means he didn't start to produce goals until he was 28 and only had a few years of success.

Let's compare McDavid numbers and accomplishments in his 1st 6 years to kane.
Kane rookie season 07/08 71 points
Year 2 western conference finals
Year 3 stanley cup
Yr 4 first round out
Year 5 first round out
Year 6 2nd stanley cup

McDavid 46 points 1st year
Years 2 through current 0 stanley cups

Once again when McDavid leads his team to a cup at least then he will have proven he is a money player until then he isn't in the same category as Kane .

Do you think if Kane in his prime was in Edmonton for the last 3 years Edmonton would of won a cup. The answer is No. Hockey is not tennis, it is a team sport,
If McDavid was on those Chicago teams instead of Kane They might of won 5 or 6 cups

 

[Taylorst]

you are very wrong here. Do you think Kane at his age is more valuable to a team thn Eichel. Kane might have 1 or 2 more productive yrs left whereas Eichel might have 10. Do you think Vegas would trade Eichel for Kane, 1 for 1

Eichel isn't even in the same category as Kane. Besides he had back surgery, that's very serious and many players never fully recover from that or that player easily runs the risk of injury just due to the nature of the sport.

If vegas didn't go out and get Eichel but Kane was available at trade deadline yeah they would take Kane, so would Colorado or Toronto or any team that is a legitimate contender this year and next .

Kane hasn't slowed down, your looking at his age , look at his current performance and how he has gotten better since his 3rd cup. He is near the tail end of a tremendous career but he can still play . That's pretty incredible when many players at 28 start to decline and by 31 years old there production is non existence.

 

[Taylorst]

Do you think if Kane in his prime was n Edmonton for the last 3 years Edmonton would of won a cup. The answer is No. Hockey is not tennis, it is a team sport,
If McDavid was on those Chicago teams instead of Kane They might of won 5 or 6 cups

Let's compare how each player fairs during the post season, kane numbers post season and performance is exactly why they call him showtime.

Kane also improved his defensive prowess compared to McDavid.

It's one thing if you like McDavid but he hasn't in any post games so far raised his compete level to personally himself take over a series or game to help his team advance. Kane has on numerous occasions including the game winning goal of game 6 to win the 1st cup.

 

[jtedone90]

When Connor McDavid is 34 years old on an expiring contract you can assess his value relative to Patrick Kane. But until 2031, I’m asking what it would take to land a high caliber, proven impact player, who has inherent value for his playoff experience and Stanley cup clinching performances.

I don’t think anyone today would believe Connor McDavid will be available in the future, and I don’t think anyone in 2007 thought Patrick Kane would ever be either. But as slim of a chance as there is of him waiving to help Chicago and give himself one last chance to win, what is his true value as a deadline acquisition? Is there any comparable from the past at his skill level?

 

[KevinFinnerty]

Chytil, Lundkvist, 1st from Rangers. Final offer. That's 3 first round picks.

 

[archanfelnsx]

Chytil, Lundkvist, 1st from Rangers. Final offer. That's 3 first round picks.

It would probably need Kakko or Lafreniere included to get Chicago not to hang up. Also some salary needs to go the other way and some retained to make it work for next season. For Patrick Kane (50% Retained) to the Rangers I would offer:

Alexis Lafreniere
Vitaly Kravtsov
Libor Hajek
Alexandar Georgiev
1st Round pick

I know this is a massive overpay but you’d be able to have Kane for this season and next if the Rangers are serious about a potential run in the playoffs:


Panarin-Strome-Kane

Kreider-Zibanejad-Kakko

Goodrow-Chytil-Gauthier

Hunt-Rooney-Reaves


Lindgren-Fox

Miller-Trouba

Nemeth-Lundkvist


Shesterkin

Kinkaid

 

[The Jones Zone]

until I hear Kane say he would wave his NMC this thread is parody

 

[jtedone90]

until I hear Kane say he would wave his NMC this thread is parody

I forgot the other 15,000 “Value of:” threads on this board are all realistic scenarios based on players who are almost certainly going to be traded.

 

[Team Cozens]

Sportsnet saying teams inquiring about Kane. Seems to be a little bit of smoke building on twitter. He would look great on Colorado or the Rangers.

 

[spaghtti]

Kakko imo looking at his draft selection and his position plus he is been playing in the league 2 years this is his 3rd and just like dach lots of potential but hasn't excelled to where the expectations should be.

When you look at McDavid or draisatal or debrincat,,, those players where all producing in there first year and excelling each year afterwards.

Draisaitl got sent to his Junior team his draft +1 year

 

[spaghtti]

Sorry did you just name 10 guys better then him? Sorry I am a bit confused. Top 5 is a big difference then 11 on...

Did you assume #4 Kane is Evander Kane?

 

[Taylorst]

Draisaitl got sent to his Junior team his draft +1 year

Actually that's not true. He was drafted in 2014 started out in juniors then finished playing 37 games with I believe under 10 points or just above.

It was the following full season his 2nd where in 77 games he produced 51 points and there after excelled.

Proving my point a elite young player either steps in and exceeds expectations or excells each year after .

 

[Putt Pirate]

Sportsnet saying teams inquiring about Kane. Seems to be a little bit of smoke building on twitter. He would look great on Colorado or the Rangers.

That is what I have been reading. I would think if a compelling offer came in the Hawks would have to perform their due diligence and ask Kane what his thoughts are.

 

[dj Mahoney]

This is probably right and I did muse over it on a previous post but if he does still enjoy playing the game it is way more fun to be on a winning team playing deep into the playoffs than on a less then 500 team missing the playoffs year in and year out. Seeing as the Hawks are most likely missing the dance this year and next for him to remain doesn't move the needle at all for Chicago him personally or any other prospective team that would like his services. Whereas there is a potential for a win win win if he approves a move. Heck move to NYC and win another cup and conn smythe or help Panarin to!
Kakko + Kravtsov + salary for Kane 50% retained
or
2022 1st + 2023 1st ( both top 2 protected ) + Kravtsov + salary for Kane 50% retained

Seems close to fair.

 

[BFLO]

I think Kane refuses to waive his NMC and stays with CHI and signs a big fat retirement contract in CHI. But he forces a trade to Buffalo in 2024 and wins himself a 4th cup.