Value of: Patrick Kane

[Taylorst]

Kane is not a top 5 winger anymore. Those days are gone. Still a good player but let's hit the brakes a little. He also carries a large cap hit which not many teams can even take on. He isn't waving for a nonplayoff team either. Lastly a GM would be stupid to give up the pieces necessary to get him.

He isn't going anywhere. He will probably finish out his contract with the Hawks and then who knows.

I completely disagree with your opinion. Have you looked up Kanes stats ? Remember chicago is struggling offensively and kane is still producing if he had more help consistently he is still in the to 5 worst case top 10 in the league.

I would agree most hockey players start to decline around 28 years old at 33 years old kane is still exceedingly great and his numbers and linemates reflect his value . He plays for a offensive winger kane also plays defense very solid.

They don't call him showtime for no reason. If kane is traded he will bring back a nice haul , the difference in what kane can return compared to jack eichel is a no Brainer kane has 3 cups plus a scoring title and has proven to be a game breaker , eichel injured hasn't lead his team to anything or proven to be a serious threat like kaner.

Kane is a first ballot HOF easily

 

[Taylorst]

No.

I have n to agree with n that posters statement. Kane and panarin where ridiculously fun to watch they where a threat every time on the ice. Stan was a complete moron for trading panarin for Saad.

 

[jtedone90]

Kane is not a top 5 winger anymore. Those days are gone. Still a good player but let's hit the brakes a little.

Don’t think it’s that far off, but if you say so..

1. Draisaitl
2. Ovechkin
3. Kucherov
4. Kane
5. Pastrnak
6. Panarin
7. Marner
8. Kaprizov
9. Huberdeau
10. Rantanen

 

[Flan the incredible]

I completely disagree with your opinion. Have you looked up Kanes stats ? Remember chicago is struggling offensively and kane is still producing if he had more help consistently he is still in the to 5 worst case top 10 in the league.

I would agree most hockey players start to decline around 28 years old at 33 years old kane is still exceedingly great and his numbers and linemates reflect his value . He plays for a offensive winger kane also plays defense very solid.

They don't call him showtime for no reason. If kane is traded he will bring back a nice haul , the difference in what kane can return compared to jack eichel is a no Brainer kane has 3 cups plus a scoring title and has proven to be a game breaker , eichel injured hasn't lead his team to anything or proven to be a serious threat like kaner.

Kane is a first ballot HOF easily

Kane is absolutely a first ballot HOFer no question. He just isn't the player he once was. I have watched him play, looked up his stats and spent some time on the Hawks board. Many of them agree he isn't the player he once was. As for top 5 wing....he isn't better than Huberdeau, Panarin, Marchand, Kaprizov or Ovie and its not close. I can name more but I don't see the point.

As for a trade his 10 mil cap hit limits that as well as his NMC. Even at half I dont see many teams who could afford him that he might waive for. We can agree to disagree I just do not see him going anywhere

 

[Flan the incredible]

Don’t think it’s that far off, but if you say so..

1. Draisaitl
2. Ovechkin
3. Kucherov
4. Kane
5. Pastrnak
6. Panarin
7. Marner
8. Kaprizov
9. Huberdeau
10. Rantanen

Sorry did you just name 10 guys better then him? Sorry I am a bit confused. Top 5 is a big difference then 11 on...

 

[Taylorst]

Kane is absolutely a first ballot HOFer no question. He just isn't the player he once was. I have watched him play, looked up his stats and spent some time on the Hawks board. Many of them agree he isn't the player he once was. As for top 5 wing....he isn't better than Huberdeau, Panarin, Marchand, Kaprizov or Ovie and its not close. I can name more but I don't see the point.

As for a trade his 10 mil cap hit limits that as well as his NMC. Even at half I dont see many teams who could afford him that he might waive for. We can agree to disagree I just do not see him going anywhere

I disagree with your opinion especially the n players you claimed who are better than kane. Ovie imo was just a pure goal scorer but anything else he m is a dime m a dozen.

Remember kanes achievements where all on his own he never had a center or another top 6 m winger until panarin was signed and yes panarin is a good player but he hasn't achieved what kane has accomplished and Marchand and huberdue are not even remotely in the same realm of kane. Going back m to ovie I m compare him to debrincat,,, a pure goal score.

The balls in kanes court yes I agree he needs to sign off on any deal but he may not be willing to stick m around . He and toews only agreed to stay if Chicago was serious about competing, that was public knowledge.

 

[T_Cage]

When you call Ovi a “dime a dozen” and put him at debrinicat level, you instantly lose credibility

“all that Gretzky guy did was rack up points, he’s no Patrick Kane”

 

[Pertti]

I disagree with your opinion especially the n players you claimed who are better than kane. Ovie imo was just a pure goal scorer but anything else he m is a dime m a dozen.

Remember kanes achievements where all on his own he never had a center or another top 6 m winger until panarin was signed and yes panarin is a good player but he hasn't achieved what kane has accomplished and Marchand and huberdue are not even remotely in the same realm of kane. Going back m to ovie I m compare him to debrincat,,, a pure goal score.

The balls in kanes court yes I agree he needs to sign off on any deal but he may not be willing to stick m around . He and toews only agreed to stay if Chicago was serious about competing, that was public knowledge.

He's game would probably be worst if he had offensive C next to him because Kane wouldn't have puck as much. Kane has been at his best when he has been centered by Handzus and Anisimov. Panarin-Anisimov-Kane were best line in the league at the time and part(maybe small) was because center didn't have puck.

 

[leafsfan2point0]

Doubt there’s even a possibility at this point..

But as a leaf fan I’d do at this point:

Kerfoot
1st
Amirov
Robertson

for

Kane + retention to make it work

 

[crazyhawk]

I think it would be good for the league if a guy like Kane was back in the mix of playing deep into the playoffs again. It would have to be a win win win though where the Hawks, the team trading for him and of course Kaner all benefit.
Show time needs to be in the show!

 

[Taylorst]

He's game would probably be worst if he had offensive C next to him because Kane wouldn't have puck as much. Kane has been at his best when he has been centered by Handzus and Anisimov. Panarin-Anisimov-Kane were best line in the league at the time and part(maybe small) was because center didn't have puck.

Yes I'd agree giving kane a solid center made his job easier but from his rookie year and going forward Kane has produced and each year he seems to get better. I also want to point out his maturity growth from his incident prior to winning the first cup plus he worked on his defensive game .

Imo people who tend to undervalue him do so imo based on his age. But look at his point totals he still is a threat offensively.

 

[Space umpire]

Doubt there’s even a possibility at this point..

But as a leaf fan I’d do at this point:

Kerfoot
1st
Amirov
Robertson

for

Kane + retention to make it work

The problems with this offer is … With Kane, the Leaf pick will 29 to 32. … while you guys love him, Amirov is nothing to brag about. … I’m a fan of Robertson but his injuries are a concern. Kerfoot is decent (not as bad as posters pretend he is) but overpaid.
It’s not likely Chicago gives the best asset who likely has 5 good years left, retains 50%, eats Kerfoot’s wage/term and accepts a high chance of getting no top 6 assets in return.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

You’ll trade Kane at the deadline, retain 50% and get back a mid 1st, B+ prospect, and either a 2nd or decent roster player to further balance cap. Bookmark it up.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

I completely disagree with your opinion. Have you looked up Kanes stats ? Remember chicago is struggling offensively and kane is still producing if he had more help consistently he is still in the to 5 worst case top 10 in the league.

I would agree most hockey players start to decline around 28 years old at 33 years old kane is still exceedingly great and his numbers and linemates reflect his value . He plays for a offensive winger kane also plays defense very solid.

They don't call him showtime for no reason. If kane is traded he will bring back a nice haul , the difference in what kane can return compared to jack eichel is a no Brainer kane has 3 cups plus a scoring title and has proven to be a game breaker , eichel injured hasn't lead his team to anything or proven to be a serious threat like kaner.

Kane is a first ballot HOF easily

I hope Kane stays put so you don’t have to swap out the posters in your room for another player yet

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

You’ll trade Kane at the deadline, retain 50% and get back a mid 1st, B+ prospect, and either a 2nd or decent roster player to further balance cap. Bookmark it up.

If that's the offer we'll just keep him.

 

[jtedone90]

Sorry did you just name 10 guys better then him? Sorry I am a bit confused. Top 5 is a big difference then 11 on...

Apologize if you can’t count, but there’s a #4 next to his name, and every single guy listed is getting a haul, regardless of age. Nice try.

 

[Flan the incredible]

I disagree with your opinion especially the n players you claimed who are better than kane. Ovie imo was just a pure goal scorer but anything else he m is a dime m a dozen.

Remember kanes achievements where all on his own he never had a center or another top 6 m winger until panarin was signed and yes panarin is a good player but he hasn't achieved what kane has accomplished and Marchand and huberdue are not even remotely in the same realm of kane. Going back m to ovie I m compare him to debrincat,,, a pure goal score.

The balls in kanes court yes I agree he needs to sign off on any deal but he may not be willing to stick m around . He and toews only agreed to stay if Chicago was serious about competing, that was public knowledge.

Sorry you are living in the past. Kane is still a good player but is is older. He has been passed by other younger players. Happens to everyone.

 

[Flan the incredible]

Apologize if you can’t count, but there’s a #4 next to his name, and every single guy listed is getting a haul, regardless of age. Nice try.

Oh sorry I didn't realize you were trying to say he is the 4th best wing in the NHL. yea thats not even close. How about you go over the the Hawks board even they don't agree with you.

 

[crazyhawk]

Sorry you are living in the past. Kane is still a good player but is is older. He has been passed by other younger players. Happens to everyone.

Yeah he's older but Kaner is a different animal than other players his age .. look no further than Towes. Kane has had the incredibly uncanny ability to avoid bodily contact through the years. He may be in his 30's but this guy will continue to produce for at least another 5 years. He is clutch in big games and can definately seriously help take a team to the next level ... like you know ... the Cup.

 

[Taylorst]

Sorry you are living in the past. Kane is still a good player but is is older. He has been passed by other younger players. Happens to everyone.

That's your opinion, I conceded he is getting older however his point totals and his ability to still be a offensive threat and he is clutch. Sure drai and McDavid are superstars but Kane still challenges for the scoring title .

 

[Flan the incredible]

That's your opinion, I conceded he is getting older however his point totals and his ability to still be a offensive threat and he is clutch. Sure drai and McDavid are superstars but Kane still challenges for the scoring title .

Scoring title lol. He is in the 40s in that race and MCD and Drai have double his points....

 

[Flan the incredible]

Yeah he's older but Kaner is a different animal than other players his age .. look no further than Towes. Kane has had the incredibly uncanny ability to avoid bodily contact through the years. He may be in his 30's but this guy will continue to produce for at least another 5 years. He is clutch in big games and can definately seriously help take a team to the next level ... like you know ... the Cup.

I am not debating he is still a good player and wouldn't help a contender i am saying he is not a top 5 wing in the league like he was a few years ago. He would absolutely help a team but he has over a 10 mill cap hit and a NMC. He isn't agreeing to go just anywhere.

My argument is the Hawks have to retain and there aren't many teams that can squeeze him in due to the cap and a team he wants to play for. Plus it has to make sense for the Hawks. I just dont see a team doing that this year. Maybe next year if the price comes down significantly and he agrees to go somewhere else.

 

[crazyhawk]

I am not debating he is still a good player and wouldn't help a contender i am saying he is not a top 5 wing in the league like he was a few years ago. He would absolutely help a team but he has over a 10 mill cap hit and a NMC. He isn't agreeing to go just anywhere.

My argument is the Hawks have to retain and there aren't many teams that can squeeze him in due to the cap and a team he wants to play for. Plus it has to make sense for the Hawks. I just dont see a team doing that this year. Maybe next year if the price comes down significantly and he agrees to go somewhere else.

For sure it would have to work .. for all three parties.
The Hawks retain 50% take some salary back and get some grade A futures.
I think the Rangers are a good fit. Showtime needs a big stage!

 

[Eggtimer]

Oh god I’d sell the farm for Kane. Wouldn’t be the best move for the long term but man would I like to see it.
It’s the famous quantity over quality thing but ..
Devils offer pick of any of these
2022 1st 2nd 3rd
Holtz
Hischier
Bratt
Ty Smith
Severson
Graves
Wood
Foote
Zacha
Johnson
Tatar
Sharangovich
Kuokkanen
McLeod

Essentially anyone but the Hughes brothers Hamilton and Mercer
Lol.
Fellow Devils fans will shit on this but I only see our core as the 4 players I just listed.

 

[summer tooth]

I think he would rather have a small salary than go somewhere else. I believe he wants to win with Chicago. I wouldn't be that surprised if he purposely signed a deal that only paid about $1mm a year, just to help them get some young studs. Fleury has been really good in net, and if they can get 1 or 2 stud forwards they could be back in business. Right now their offense is atrocious.