Value of: Patrick Kane

[jtedone90]

For sure it would have to work .. for all three parties.
The Hawks retain 50% take some salary back and get some grade A futures.
I think the Rangers are a good fit. Showtime needs a big stage!

Rangers offer:

Brennan Othmann
K’andre Miller
Will Cuylle
2022 1st
2023 1st

For

Kane @ 50%

Rangers with 6.7mm in cap space allows the hawks not to take on any salary. 1st round picks are late, so while valuable, it’s not an overpayment. Zac Jones slots in with Miller departure, and bread and showtime are back at it at the worlds greatest arena.

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

Rangers offer:

Brennan Othmann
K’andre Miller
Will Cuylle
2022 1st
2023 1st

For

Kane @ 50%

Rangers with 6.7mm in cap space allows the hawks not to take on any salary. 1st round picks are late, so while valuable, it’s not an overpayment. Zac Jones slots in with Miller departure, and bread and showtime are back at it at the worlds greatest arena.

Davidson laughs and hangs up the phone.
You're not getting him without either Laf or Kakko going to Chicago.

 

[jtedone90]

Davidson laughs and hangs up the phone.
You're not getting him without either Laf or Kakko going to Chicago.

20 year old 1st and 2nd overall picks don’t get traded in the NHL, sorry bud. That’s equivalent to 4 first round picks in offer.

Davidson will have some dark years ahead in Chicago if he doesn’t manage aging stars and acquire young talent. Go ahead and hang up.

 

[Kaners Bald Spot]

20 year old 1st and 2nd overall picks don’t get traded in the NHL, sorry bud. That’s equivalent to 4 first round picks in offer.

Davidson will have some dark years ahead in Chicago if he doesn’t manage aging stars and acquire young talent. Go ahead and hang up.

I'd at least listen if you started with Kravtsov and Schneider.
Kane isn't getting traded without a blue chipper coming back.

 

[jtedone90]

I'd at least listen if you started with Kravtsov and Schneider.
Kane isn't getting traded without a blue chipper coming back.

Fair, swap out Othmann and Miller with Kravtsov and Schneider. Makes no difference to NYR, we can’t afford to keep them all.

 

[Djp]

Davidson laughs and hangs up the phone.
You're not getting him without either Laf or Kakko going to Chicago.

You aren’t getting either for a mid 30s 1+ rental.

 

[crazyhawk]

20 year old 1st and 2nd overall picks don’t get traded in the NHL, sorry bud. That’s equivalent to 4 first round picks in offer.

Davidson will have some dark years ahead in Chicago if he doesn’t manage aging stars and acquire young talent. Go ahead and hang up.

It depends upon what's more important to the Ranger brass ... a potential Cup in the next few years or a lesser potential cup 5 to 10 years down the road.
Kane has a pretty high value .. it will come down to whether he is willing to move on.

 

[EastVillageBlues]

Such a stupid take

Kane is one of the best players of this generation.

But Lindberg has a point, he also has a long history of criminal activities of a variety of sorts. Those baggages have to be taken into account at some level.

 

[Space umpire]

Kane is one of the best players of this generation.

But Lindberg has a point, he also has a long history of criminal activities of a variety of sorts. Those baggages have to be taken into account at some level.

What long history is that?
Where a cousin hit a cabbie about 10/12 years ago?

 

[Mrfenn92]

Kane is one of the best players of this generation.

But Lindberg has a point, he also has a long history of criminal activities of a variety of sorts. Those baggages have to be taken into account at some level.

Name them

 

[Flan the incredible]

For sure it would have to work .. for all three parties.
The Hawks retain 50% take some salary back and get some grade A futures.
I think the Rangers are a good fit. Showtime needs a big stage!

Rangers make sense due to the Panarin connection and their need at RW but what everyone forgets is their salary cap situation.

Rangers have to sign a ton of players and have about 11 mill to do it. Once Strome is resigned it ends the Kane to Rangers debate.

 

[rangersfansince08]

Kane is one of the best players of this generation.

But Lindberg has a point, he also has a long history of criminal activities of a variety of sorts. Those baggages have to be taken into account at some level.

No he doesn't.

 

[Flan the incredible]

Rangers offer:

Brennan Othmann
K’andre Miller
Will Cuylle
2022 1st
2023 1st

For

Kane @ 50%

Rangers with 6.7mm in cap space allows the hawks not to take on any salary. 1st round picks are late, so while valuable, it’s not an overpayment. Zac Jones slots in with Miller departure, and bread and showtime are back at it at the worlds greatest arena.

Thats terrible for the Rangers. Their center depth would be horrendous. Zibs, Chytil, Rooney and Barron.....ouch

 

[jtedone90]

Thats terrible for the Rangers. Their center depth would be horrendous. Zibs, Chytil, Rooney and Barron.....ouch

Rangers 2C situation is not good regardless. Kane and Panarin were 80-90pt players with anisimov in the middle, and panarin is a much better player now then he was. It wouldn’t matter who’s centering them. Let reaves take the draw, still a deadly line.

 

[Flan the incredible]

Rangers 2C situation is not good regardless. Kane and Panarin were 80-90pt players with anisimov in the middle, and panarin is a much better player now then he was. It wouldn’t matter who’s centering them. Let reaves take the draw, still a deadly line.

While Panarin is a better player now Kane is not the player he once was. Anisimov was also way better than anything the Rangers could pair with them now. Strome is also on pace for almost 70 points so while Kane is the better player the scoring difference won't be worth anywhere near the package you offered.

Rangers would be better grabbing a pending UFA such as Reilly Smith which would be way cheaper. They have cap space this year not next.

 

[VaporTrail]

Kane has already said he is unwilling to waive his no trade

Thread should have just ended here...But nope...Lol

 

[Taylorst]

I am not debating he is still a good player and wouldn't help a contender i am saying he is not a top 5 wing in the league like he was a few years ago. He would absolutely help a team but he has over a 10 mill cap hit and a NMC. He isn't agreeing to go just anywhere.

My argument is the Hawks have to retain and there aren't many teams that can squeeze him in due to the cap and a team he wants to play for. Plus it has to make sense for the Hawks. I just dont see a team doing that this year. Maybe next year if the price comes down significantly and he agrees to go somewhere else.

Your argument isn't based on reality or facts. The prior poster laid out perfectly who kane is. Yes kane is still a top 5 winger , your argument is basing his age , we would all agree with you if Kane wasn't producing at a high level but he is . While McDavid and drai and produce a ton of points , that's great for personal stats , but at 20 or 21 years old both toews and kane lead chicago to a stanley cup and 3 more western conference finals and 2 more m cups all by 26 years old. Kane only got better,.

Any team looking to trade for kane realizes he is a impact player that shows up and understands how to win. Until McDavid and drai lead edmonton to a cup or multiple seasons of winning there not in the same category as kane.

 

[Flan the incredible]

Your argument isn't based on reality or facts. The prior poster laid out perfectly who kane is. Yes kane is still a top 5 winger , your argument is basing his age , we would all agree with you if Kane wasn't producing at a high level but he is . While McDavid and drai and produce a ton of points , that's great for personal stats , but at 20 or 21 years old both toews and kane lead chicago to a stanley cup and 3 more western conference finals and 2 more m cups all by 26 years old. Kane only got better,.

Any team looking to trade for kane realizes he is a impact player that shows up and understands how to win. Until McDavid and drai lead edmonton to a cup or multiple seasons of winning there not in the same category as kane.

Haha go put up a poll on who is better McDavid or kane so we can see who is in reality and who isn't. You are delusional

 

[SoundwaveIsCharisma]

I don’t think the Avs have the expendable assets to get a deal done, but I’d be a lot more confident going into next season with a second line of Nuke and Newhook (feels like that’s where we are headed) if Kane is the other winger.

 

[Adam da bomb]

Haha go put up a poll on who is better McDavid or kane so we can see who is in reality and who isn't. You are delusional

I’d argue it’s more clear when you ask who is better now. I’d take a 22 year old Kane over McD. But that’s not what anyone would be getting.

 

[Flan the incredible]

I’d argue it’s more clear when you ask who is better now. I’d take a 22 year old Kane over McD. But that’s not what anyone would be getting.

Well you are in a thread on what the value of kane is so....

 

[Taylorst]

Haha go put up a poll on who is better McDavid or kane so we can see who is in reality and who isn't. You are delusional

If your definition of better is a kid who gets tons of points but lacks any defensive prowess to his game or the ability to truly lead his team past the 1st round then yes McDavid is your guy.

Hockey is a team sport and those who are extremely gifted are expected to rise to the occasion when it counts and lead.

Scoring a ton of points in the regular season is great for personal stats , however the playoffs truly define each player and teams ability to produce and win games. McDavid playoff performance is MIA . it's very easy to pick and choose certain stats to make a arguement, however if your being honest McDavid still needs to rise up when the games count.

If we're really trying to compare players than Gretzky is the marker and McDavid still isn't even remotely close to greatness.

 

[Flan the incredible]

If your definition of better is a kid who gets tons of points but lacks any defensive prowess to his game or the ability to truly lead his team past the 1st round then yes McDavid is your guy.

Hockey is a team sport and those who are extremely gifted are expected to rise to the occasion when it counts and lead.

Scoring a ton of points in the regular season is great for personal stats , however the playoffs truly define each player and teams ability to produce and win games. McDavid playoff performance is MIA . it's very easy to pick and choose certain stats to make a arguement, however if your being honest McDavid still needs to rise up when the games count.

If we're really trying to compare players than Gretzky is the marker and McDavid still isn't even remotely close to greatness.

Its hysterical you talk about how hockey is team sport then completely ignore the supporting cast that Kane had during his cup runs. Yea its tough with Toews, Keith, Seabrook, Hossa, byfuglien etc. Yea McDavid hasn't had anything remotely close to them.

Again you want to be embarrassed go put a poll up of who the better player is now. McDavid or Kane. You will be laughed off this board and you know it.

 

[Voight]

I doubt it. He's won three cups and is in a comfortable spot. I see little reason for him to move on from the Hawks.

Exactly. He's won pretty much everything possible and a 4th cup elsewhere isn't going to do much for his legacy.

 

[crazyhawk]

Exactly. He's won pretty much everything possible and a 4th cup elsewhere isn't going to do much for his legacy.

This is probably right and I did muse over it on a previous post but if he does still enjoy playing the game it is way more fun to be on a winning team playing deep into the playoffs than on a less then 500 team missing the playoffs year in and year out. Seeing as the Hawks are most likely missing the dance this year and next for him to remain doesn't move the needle at all for Chicago him personally or any other prospective team that would like his services. Whereas there is a potential for a win win win if he approves a move. Heck move to NYC and win another cup and conn smythe or help Panarin to!
Kakko + Kravtsov + salary for Kane 50% retained
or
2022 1st + 2023 1st ( both top 2 protected ) + Kravtsov + salary for Kane 50% retained