Player Discussion Patrice Bergeron

[bruinsfan1968]

i love bergy.
but one thing i will say is i have never seen him lay out to block a shot.

He blocked 54 shots last season.

 

[DominicT]

I'm missing something here.

Something tells me I should be glad I am missing it.

 

[UncleRico]

Felger, is that you?

Nope just a bruins fan that cares more about the team than any one single player, which seems to be very rare these days just by looking at this forum.

Too many people here get more enraged when you talk about their favorite player than they are the bruins choked away the season. It’s a shame.

 

[UncleRico]

I am done with your nonsense.

All I’m asking is for someone to give me evidence of how bergy and krejci don’t have a soft play style and despite all the

“I’m done with your nonsense”
“You know nothing”
“This isn’t true”

From various people.


I have yet to see even an attempt from anyone to present evidence to say bergy and krejci don’t have a soft play style.

Kind of hard when any scrap of evidence is from 2013 and before.

 

[DarrenBanks56]

He blocked 54 shots last season.

i said i loved the guy.
im just saying ive never seen him lay out to block a shot.
i mean lay out. not stand in the way.
no big deal really.
i dont ever remember him laying out the body to block a shot.

 

[Dellstrom]

i love bergy.
but one thing i will say is i have never seen him lay out to block a shot.

Probably because it’s a minor miracle if you can get a shot off while he’s defending you. He’s always in the right spot and doesn’t need to desperation dive across the ice and out of position to block a shot. He can beat any player in the league with his smarts.

He did not have a good series but neither did any of our horses. He’s hardly critiqued for playing poorly because he very rarely does. Certainly not a bruiser and he shouldn’t be exempt from criticism but to call him soft is absolute nonsense.

 

[UncleRico]

Probably because it’s a minor miracle if you can get a shot off while he’s defending you. He’s always in the right spot and doesn’t need to desperation dive across the ice and out of position to block a shot. He can beat any player in the league with his smarts.

He did not have a good series but neither did any of our horses. He’s hardly critiqued for playing poorly because he very rarely does. Certainly not a bruiser and he shouldn’t be exempt from criticism but to call him soft is absolute nonsense.

No one is calling him soft. I am calling his play style soft. I feel like there’s a solid enough difference. I mean he guts it out through some serious injuries and can’t take that away from him.

I’m talking about his play style specifically. Rarely joining scrums, rarely hitting. 1 fight in the past decade (2016). He as passive as they come in the nhl when he’ll starts breaking loose. And probably rightfully so with his concussion history.

I still haven’t seen one person attempt to make an arguement that his play style isn’t soft. It’s all just mass deflecting.

 

[GordonHowe]

All I’m asking is for someone to give me evidence of how bergy and krejci don’t have a soft play style and despite all the

“I’m done with your nonsense”
“You know nothing”
“This isn’t true”

From various people.


I have yet to see even an attempt from anyone to present evidence to say bergy and krejci don’t have a soft play style.

Kind of hard when any scrap of evidence is from 2013 and before.

Neither player has ever been what most of us would call physical.

That doesn't mean they are not physically and mentally tough, which is a different thing.

I think I've seen Patrice and David combine for two fights in all the time I have watched them. They just aren't particularly physical. And that's fine.

Throughout their illustrious careers, they have done many, many other things exceptionally well.

I suspect most Bruins fans, not least those of us who prize physicality and intimidation, understand this.

There are all kinds of different players who bring all kinds of talent, skill, and hockey sense to their game.

Nuff said.

 

[McGarnagle]

i love bergy.
but one thing i will say is i have never seen him lay out to block a shot.

When you're the best defensive player in hockey and suppress shooting opportunities in the first place by positioning and forcing turnovers, you don't have to lay out to block shots.

 

[Mainehockey33]

It’s not a captain’s role to be a fighter but great captains stick up for their teammates. The Bruins have been lacking in leadership since Chara left which is understandable, one of the best captains in the cap era. They lacked emotional leaders in that series against Florida. Marchand kinda focused on hockey which is fine, Bertuzzi kinda mixed it up at times. Hathaway was just happy to be there.

Not sure why this post was moved to the Bergeron thread, doesn’t even mention him.

 

[GordonHowe]

This bullshit story is just never gonna die, huh?

I'm not sure the story is untrue. I have no way of knowing.

I was disappointed that Hathaway wasn't more like that.

I don't believe ALL players need to take on that role and do not expect or want Bergy to fight. He has a couple of times, but I do not want to see that.


I am OK with smaller guys as long as there are bigger guys too. Having a stay-at-home big tough guy out there with a smaller guy (like Gryz) often works well.

I am bothered when some of the bigger guys do not use their size.

100%

 

[UncleRico]

Not sure why this post was moved to the Bergeron thread, doesn’t even mention him.

I think everything got lumped in. My original convo with you was on topic, but then someone took a small piece of our convo and turned it into a completely different discussion and it got off topic. Then I think everything just kind of got kicked over here.

I saw it all happening and tried to steer it back in the right direction but it was already too late.

 

[EverettMike]

I'm not sure the story is untrue. I have no way of knowing.

There are some on this board who know from people directly involved it's not!

 

[Bradely]

It’s not a captain’s role to be a fighter but great captains stick up for their teammates. The Bruins have been lacking in leadership since Chara left which is understandable, one of the best captains in the cap era. They lacked emotional leaders in that series against Florida. Marchand kinda focused on hockey which is fine, Bertuzzi kinda mixed it up at times. Hathaway was just happy to be there.

Yep Barkov did fight alot .... so did 99, 66 and we can go on!!!

 

[Bradely]

It’s not a captain’s role to be a fighter but great captains stick up for their teammates. The Bruins have been lacking in leadership since Chara left which is understandable, one of the best captains in the cap era. They lacked emotional leaders in that series against Florida. Marchand kinda focused on hockey which is fine, Bertuzzi kinda mixed it up at times. Hathaway was just happy to be there.

Some say how 2019 Boston got pummelled against St-Louis..... with Chara as C. Memory is short and selective if I can say!

 

[Mainehockey33]

Yep Barkov did fight alot .... so did 99, 66 and we can go on!!!

All those players had other emotional leaders on their team. True it doesn’t need to be the captain that sets the tone physically, we just had that for years with Chara. Idk, just sick of watching the Bruins get kicked around.

 

[UncleRico]

Neither player has ever been what most of us would call physical.

That doesn't mean they are not physically and mentally tough, which is a different thing.

I think I've seen Patrice and David combine for two fights in all the time I have watched them. They just aren't particularly physical. And that's fine.

Throughout their illustrious careers, they have done many, many other things exceptionally well.

I suspect most Bruins fans, not least those of us who prize physicality and intimidation, understand this.

There are all kinds of different players who bring all kinds of talent, skill, and hockey sense to their game.

Nuff said.

And I agree with this sentiment. I’m not taking anything away from his defensive game or his offensive. I’m just purely referring to the manner in which he plays being a soft play style. AKA not physical, not hitting, rarely in scrums and not sticking up for teammates.

This whole discussion started though with people being stunned and disagreeing that bergeron and krejci have a soft style of play. All I was asking for was any of those people to explain their position and all I got was

“You know nothing”
“You are speaking nonsense”
“You don’t want the games”

So I just wanted to know from those people what their counter argument is. Because if he doesn’t have a soft play style he must have a tough/rugged one according to those who know everything, don’t speak nonsense and watch the games

 

[Bradely]

I said his play style is soft which is true, he doesn’t get involved in scrums, he has one fight in the last decade and for the most part he avoids contact.

He’s not soft in the aspect of actually going on the ice and playing with injury, even though it’s been detrimental to the team when he does, but that’s not soft. Definitely injury prone though.

It’s much like the panthers. Panthers of years prior were a soft team who took after their leader huberdeau. All of a sudden as soon as huberdeau for tkachuk, the new leader brings a more physical culture and it’s infectious.

Just like the bruins take after their leader.

ùBold part - yeah sure:

 

[Mainehockey33]

Some say how 2019 Boston got pummelled against St-Louis..... with Chara as C. Memory is short and selective if I can say!

Your only example is a series at the end of his career where he was playing with a broken jaw?

 

[Bradely]

Your only example is a series at the end of his career where he was playing with a broken jaw?

what have they won since 2011?

 

[Mainehockey33]

what have they won since 2011?

What’s your point?

 

[UncleRico]

ùBold part - yeah sure:

I think you just made my point having to find a video from two seasons ago lol.

Especially since you bolded the part where I said “for the most part he stays away from contact”

 

[I am Bettman]

All I’m asking is for someone to give me evidence of how bergy and krejci don’t have a soft play style and despite all the

“I’m done with your nonsense”
“You know nothing”
“This isn’t true”

From various people.


I have yet to see even an attempt from anyone to present evidence to say bergy and krejci don’t have a soft play style.

Kind of hard when any scrap of evidence is from 2013 and before.

He played this last series with a herniated disc, and he has pushed through countless serious injuries to try to help the team. Many of his injuries would sideline the normal player for many months, but he has a different level of commitment that is anything but soft.

 

[GordonHowe]

There are some on this board who know from people directly involved it's not!

Fine.

The story aside, Tyler's behavior was, unsurprisingly, immature. He was very young. He's also a star and stars are used to getting what they want etc etc.

I don't believe his on ice play was the exclusive reason for making that deal. I know nothing about specific behavior other than a few things that are common knowledge.

As Jeremy Iron's character in Margin Call had it, "That's all spilled milk under the bridge" at this point.

 

[Bradely]

I think you just made my point having to find a video from two seasons ago lol.

Especially since you bolded the part where I said “for the most part he stays away from contact”

NHL players said again, he is one of the toughest match up to play against....
but ...I let you think whatever....................