Player Discussion Patrice Bergeron

[sarge88]

Go from Chara who would stand up to people for teammates every night, and fight people. to patrice Bergeron who the last teammate he stood up for was Gryz in the locker room when Bruce Cassidy yelled at him 1.5 years ago.

Players follow leadership on the team and the bruins have gone soft.

I wouldn't blame Bergeron as it's really not his role to fight. But I agree the team is much softer than I'd like them to be. Even the guys who are supposed to be on the tougher side -- Frederic for instance aren't exactly intimidating.

 

[UncleRico]

I wouldn't blame Bergeron as it's really not his role to fight. But I agree the team is much softer than I'd like them to be. Even the guys who are supposed to be on the tougher side -- Frederic for instance aren't exactly intimidating.

I’m just saying your team takes after its leaders. There’s a reason why guys like Frederic have “toned it down” it’s because of the soft style of play they have right now.

 

[CamFan81]

I don't know if your captain has to be a fighter lol

But I do know that having a backend that can standup to an aggressive forecheck, clear in front of the net, and win 50/50 battles along the boards is ideal for playoff hockey.

Speedy Smurfs like Don Sweeney, Clifton, Gryz wont cut it, they can go play for Montreal.

 

[Ladyfan]

I wouldn't blame Bergeron as it's really not his role to fight. But I agree the team is much softer than I'd like them to be. Even the guys who are supposed to be on the tougher side -- Frederic for instance aren't exactly intimidating.

I was disappointed that Hathaway wasn't more like that.

I don't believe ALL players need to take on that role and do not expect or want Bergy to fight. He has a couple of times, but I do not want to see that.

I don't know if your captain has to be a fighter lol

But I do know that having a backend that can standup to an aggressive forecheck, clear in front of the net, and win 50/50 battles along the boards is ideal for playoff hockey.

Speedy Smurfs like Don Sweeney, Clifton, Gryz wont cut it, they can go play for Montreal.

I am OK with smaller guys as long as there are bigger guys too. Having a stay-at-home big tough guy out there with a smaller guy (like Gryz) often works well.

I am bothered when some of the bigger guys do not use their size.

 

[Ladyfan]

I’m just saying your team takes after its leaders. There’s a reason why guys like Frederic have “toned it down” it’s because of the soft style of play they have right now.

Sorry. Bergy may not be the enforcer/ fighter, but he certainly isn't a wimp and is a great leader. The coach may have told Freddy to tone it down as he often ended up causing more harm to the Bs than the other team.

Frederic isn't really a good fighter and will never be one of the best players. This is OK but maybe if he sees himself in that role, he should spend time with Quaider and learn how to fight.

You won't ever have a team full of tough guys like years ago, but I believe they need at least one guy (who isn't a goon) to be the enforcer....not named Brad Marchand.

 

[Bradely]

I’m just saying your team takes after its leaders. There’s a reason why guys like Frederic have “toned it down” it’s because of the soft style of play they have right now.

Yeah, I'm sure, McQuaid, Lucic, Thornton, would not fight if they were still on the team because of SOFT Bergeron captaincy! This post is one of more dumb I've read for a while!!!

 

[Bradely]

I was disappointed that Hathaway wasn't more like that.

I don't believe ALL players need to take on that role and do not expect or want Bergy to fight. He has a couple of times, but I do not want to see that.


I am OK with smaller guys as long as there are bigger guys too. Having a stay-at-home big tough guy out there with a smaller guy (like Gryz) often works well.

I am bothered when some of the bigger guys do not use their size.

I agree with you Ladyfan. Bergeron since 2009 was one punch away from big trouble and still went against Myers, Wheeler, Malkin who are all way bigger. You can go at want you want on Bergeron, but not on his toughness, neither his courage and capacity to play thru pain. That guy took all the hits in the world to make each play.... Magnifique 99 always were a C with the Kings and Oilers.... he rarely drop the mits... did that stop Mark messier or Dave Semenko or McSorley to drop them. If something, Bergeron as Marchand and Pastrnak got abuse with no protection since a moment now.

Some here do have agenda!!!!

I’m not looking for a team full of 2011, I will never expect that.

But can we get ANYTHING? All we got in the playoffs was a bunch of fights at the end of the 6-3 loss when the bruins were embarrassed after getting bullied. I think everyone can agree they looked more like sore losers than a team answering the bell so to speak

Marchand was getting tossed around by gudas, tkachuk was trying to fight Ullmark after game 4, Hathaway got cross checked straight to the ribs. Not a single player answered the call. Not one.

Maybe it is coming from the coach, but with the same problem over the span of multiple coaches, I doubt it. It’s either an even higher up problem coming from Sweeney/Neely or they are just taking after the play styles of their leaders, which is a soft play style.

But there’s something in the air that stinks around there because Frederic has toned it down, Hathaway comes in and is a completely different player, much softer than we saw in Washington. There’s something going on and I don’t think it was a Cassidy/montgomery problem. And the way Vegas is playing a physical/heavy game I really don’t think Bruce was the one having guys tone it down either

Frederic was not Cassidy favourite......

 

[Ladyfan]

I’m not looking for a team full of 2011, I will never expect that.

But can we get ANYTHING? All we got in the playoffs was a bunch of fights at the end of the 6-3 loss when the bruins were embarrassed after getting bullied. I think everyone can agree they looked more like sore losers than a team answering the bell so to speak

Marchand was getting tossed around by gudas, tkachuk was trying to fight Ullmark after game 4, Hathaway got cross checked straight to the ribs. Not a single player answered the call. Not one.

Maybe it is coming from the coach, but with the same problem over the span of multiple coaches, I doubt it. It’s either an even higher up problem coming from Sweeney/Neely or they are just taking after the play styles of their leaders, which is a soft play style.

But there’s something in the air that stinks around there because Frederic has toned it down, Hathaway comes in and is a completely different player, much softer than we saw in Washington. There’s something going on and I don’t think it was a Cassidy/montgomery problem. And the way Vegas is playing a physical/heavy game I really don’t think Bruce was the one having guys tone it down either

SO, you blame Bergy ? YIKES

This- Grizz is the low-hanging fruit here as always, but what happened to our big guys? Leave Grizz out, and consider Cliffy as your 7D and the average size there is big- Lindholm, Carlo, Forbort, with Orlov and Mac being fire hydrant types like Bourque (as in not small by any means) and yet. I get you need to sit Matt G if your big guys are not going to play like big guys, but they need some new team DNA on the back end so they can feel okay using players like Grizz and the obvious advantages they can bring to the table in the playoffs.

But, how do you get Lindy and Carlo to be what they aren't? Orlov won't be back most likely. Forbort is the obvious guy you move on, but I don't know if he is moveable at his salary. I miss Adam McQuaid, and Kevan Miller.

I like Orlov but he wants too many years and too much money and will not be back. We have no one (even though some are big) that will be that enforcer type of guy.

I miss Quaider and Kevan too. Where do you find one? ...a player who isn't a goon but will take care of SOME of the stuff.

 

[UncleRico]

SO, you blame Bergy ? YIKES


I like Orlov but he wants too many years and too much money and will not be back. We have no one (even though some are big) that will be that enforcer type of guy.

I miss Quaider and Kevan too. Where do you find one? ...a player who isn't a goon but will take care of SOME of the stuff.

Yes, there are no sacred cows. Bergy has plenty of blame going his way. I know fans don’t want to admit it, but he does.

When you have a soft play style as a leader or rubs off on teammates.

 

[UncleRico]

Yeah, I'm sure, McQuaid, Lucic, Thornton, would not fight if they were still on the team because of SOFT Bergeron captaincy! This post is one of more dumb I've read for a while!!!

When your leaders have a soft style of play bergy, krejci etc. it rubs off on teammates.

 

[Mainehockey33]

It’s not a captain’s role to be a fighter but great captains stick up for their teammates. The Bruins have been lacking in leadership since Chara left which is understandable, one of the best captains in the cap era. They lacked emotional leaders in that series against Florida. Marchand kinda focused on hockey which is fine, Bertuzzi kinda mixed it up at times. Hathaway was just happy to be there.

 

[Ladyfan]

Yes, there are no sacred cows. Bergy has plenty of blame going his way. I know fans don’t want to admit it, but he does.

When you have a soft play style as a leader or rubs off on teammates.

Yikes....GTFO

When your leaders have a soft style of play bergy, krejci etc. it rubs off on teammates.

This is a pathetic response.

 

[UncleRico]

Yikes....GTFO


This is a pathetic response.

It’s the truth. I know it hurts because it’s bergy, but it’s true. If these players were actually as good as you and many others try to portray on here then they’d have at minimum 2 more cups maybe even 3.

That’s the reality.

 

[sarge88]

It’s the truth. I know it hurts because it’s bergy, but it’s true. If these players were actually as good as you and many others try to portray on here then they’d have at minimum 2 more cups maybe even 3.

That’s the reality.

He's going to go down as one of, if not the greatest defensive forward in NHL history and one of less than 100 players in history to have scored 1000+ points.

He's far from a problem. There are myriad reasons why they didn't win this year or in 13 or 19 and every single player that was on those teams has a hand in those losses, but Bergeron is way down the list on each of those teams.

 

[Ladyfan]

It’s the truth. I know it hurts because it’s bergy, but it’s true. If these players were actually as good as you and many others try to portray on here then they’d have at minimum 2 more cups maybe even 3.

That’s the reality.

That is so far from true. You know NOTHING

 

[UncleRico]

He's going to go down as one of, if not the greatest defensive forward in NHL history and one of less than 100 players in history to have scored 1000+ points.

He's far from a problem. There are myriad reasons why they didn't win this year or in 13 or 19 and every single player that was on those teams has a hand in those losses, but Bergeron is way down the list on each of those teams.

Not saying he’s a problem I’m just saying the leaders on the team bergy and krejci are soft in terms of their style of play. For years it has rubbed off on the team and that’s been most prevalent in the playoffs when the game is a much heavier game and they can’t match the physicality.


I don’t think the fix to the situation is easy as signing lucic, will it help? In some ways, yes without a doubt. I don’t think that’s the solution though. They need someone in that top 6 that is a power forward. Doesn’t even have to be the captain of the team. But they need someone who can mix things up and lead by example and be in those scrums.

I guess the major difference I’m trying to get at is the bruins try to build a tough team around the soft play style of the leaders. Whereas a lot of the teams that the bruins have lost to have been hard nosed teams with leaders who are that way and the team follows the lead of that player

 

[UncleRico]

This is starting to get off topic so we should steer it back in the right direction.

I know it was about lucic and the old style of play when he was on the team and how we need it now, but we kind of dropped the 2011 comparison and just started talking about current issues. Should get back to that before everything just gets deleted into the abyss

 

[jgatie]

This is starting to get off topic so we should steer it back in the right direction.

I know it was about lucic and the old style of play when he was on the team and how we need it now, but we kind of dropped the 2011 comparison and just started talking about current issues. Should get back to that before everything just gets deleted into the abyss

Excellent recovery. Though if I were you, I would have welcomed my posts getting "deleted into the abyss".

 

[UncleRico]

Excellent recovery. Though if I were you, I would have welcomed my posts getting "deleted into the abyss".

Oh if anyone wants to continue it in the bergeron thread I will gladly over there. I just don’t know how many off topic posts I get before I get yelled at. Had a few

I made sure to tag you over there in the post I made. Just trying to respect the rules and talk about the appropriate topics in the right places.

 

[UncleRico]

@jgatie @Ladyfan

But if you want to explain to me in a more bergeron appropriate thread about how his play style isn’t soft im all eyes and ears.

Just want to make sure it’s in the right location. Not a lucic thread

 

[Ladyfan]

@jgatie @Ladyfan

But if you want to explain to me in a more bergeron appropriate thread about how his play style isn’t soft im all eyes and ears.

Just want to make sure it’s in the right location. Not a lucic thread

He is not soft. You blaming him for this loss is shameful and ignorant.

Bergy is one of the best players ever to lace them up for the Bs. He is a leader.

Not every player needs to be an enforcer/ player. Often the best players and leaders on the team are NOT the "tough" guys.

I DO agree the Bs need at least one or two of that type of player but to say the team was soft because of Patrice Bergeron is one of the most pathetic things I have ever read on this board and there have been many stupid posts.

 

[DarrenBanks56]

i love bergy.
but one thing i will say is i have never seen him lay out to block a shot.

 

[UncleRico]

He is not soft. You blaming him for this loss is shameful and ignorant.

Bergy is one of the best players ever to lace them up for the Bs. He is a leader.

Not every player needs to be an enforcer/ player. Often the best players and leaders on the team are NOT the "tough" guys.

I DO agree the Bs need at least one or two of that type of player but to say the team was soft because of Patrice Bergeron is one of the most pathetic things I have ever read on this board and there have been seen many stupid posts.

I said his play style is soft which is true, he doesn’t get involved in scrums, he has one fight in the last decade and for the most part he avoids contact.

He’s not soft in the aspect of actually going on the ice and playing with injury, even though it’s been detrimental to the team when he does, but that’s not soft. Definitely injury prone though.

It’s much like the panthers. Panthers of years prior were a soft team who took after their leader huberdeau. All of a sudden as soon as huberdeau for tkachuk, the new leader brings a more physical culture and it’s infectious.

Just like the bruins take after their leader.

 

[Ladyfan]

I said his play style is soft which is true, he doesn’t get involved in scrums, he has one fight in the last decade and for the most part he avoids contact.

He’s not soft in the aspect of actually going on the ice and playing with injury, even though it’s been detrimental to the team when he does, but that’s not soft. Definitely injury prone though.

It’s much like the panthers. Panthers of years prior were a soft team who took after their leader huberdeau. All of a sudden as soon as huberdeau for tkachuk, the new leader brings a more physical culture and it’s infectious.

Just like the bruins take after their leader.

I am done with your nonsense.

 

[aguineapig]

I said his play style is soft which is true, he doesn’t get involved in scrums, he has one fight in the last decade and for the most part he avoids contact.

He’s not soft in the aspect of actually going on the ice and playing with injury, even though it’s been detrimental to the team when he does, but that’s not soft. Definitely injury prone though.

It’s much like the panthers. Panthers of years prior were a soft team who took after their leader huberdeau. All of a sudden as soon as huberdeau for tkachuk, the new leader brings a more physical culture and it’s infectious.

Just like the bruins take after their leader.

Felger, is that you?