Pat Lafontaine HHOF vs Mogilny vs Nicholls

BarnabyJones PI

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Awesome post!

As an aside, perhaps you being in Winnipeg at the time can tell me more about MacClean back when he scored 100 playing with Hawerchuk? In Detroit, he initially started off well enough with Yzerman and Gallant, but by the halfway point, his play really tailed off, to the point that he was even benched a game during the playoffs, he was playing that bad. He got like a A in the midyear season grades in the Detroit Free Press only to get a D at the end of the year lol

First off, I'm still confused why John Ferguson traded him away for Brent Ashton. Ashton seemingly played well with Detroit in the playoffs in '87 and '88, he's two years younger than MacLean, and the Jets weren't really getting any where in the playoffs as they were constructed (though they finally won a game vs the Oilers in the playoffs). I get that. Still, I hated the trade.

I seem to recall reading in John Ferguson's book, that he thought that Paul MacLean's hands should in the Smithsonian. I also swear the same thing was said about Ray Sheppard by another GM (maybe Bowman).

As far as MacLean in 1984-85, it was his most consistent year, and that team's scoring was very balanced beyond the 1st line. I think MacLean had a tendency in his career to tail off around January/February, after relatively hot starts, but not that season.

It didn't hurt that Brian Mullen also had his best year as well (and the entire team), and they both consistently played on Hawerchuk's line. IMO, the best line up the Jets had in those days, was the Hawerchuk-MacLean-Mullen line. He would also play on Laurie Boschman's line too here and there, and Steen as well.

Boschman

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Boschman had a nice run of his own that probably doesn't get much notice. MacLean could be moved up and down the line-up that year, and still be in a pretty good spot to put up numbers wherever he landed.

Take into account too, that for all of the flaws of the Jets defenseman during that decade, they had a number of pretty good number of puck-movers on the back end, still having Dave Babych that year (to go with Carlyle, Ellett, and Robert Picard).

This warmed my heart to see! I also absolutely adore the early nineties era of the Wings, it's my favorite time, even though my childhood time was the Wings glory years when they were a powerhouse winning all the cups and all. I was too young to appreciate the early nineties Wings at the time, and now I have to go and scrounge up all the old games from the hockey tape trading lists, but it's been totally worth it, because I simply enjoy early nineties hockey more than late nineties hockey anyway. Both in general, and for the Wings in particular, it's the perfect blend of skill and toughness at that time, it's just super enjoyable to watch.

I feel the same way.

For me, it's a combination of there still being helmetless guys, guys who can be traced back to the WHA or the NHL of the '70s, all of those great players who were born in the '60s, the influx of foreign players (at first), that the scoring was still high, the speed and skill was being showcased, there were still some of the older buildings, there were still throwback announcers who had been around for decades, and I like most of the drafts up until 1991 (at the latest 1993). Also, not having access to every game being televised, and listening to the radio from time-to-time, was greater than I realized (depending on who was the play-by-play announcer of course).

As an aside, I was excited that the Jets got Paul Ysebaert in '93, and that they could have a line of Ysebaert, Emerson, and Darrin Shannon, backing up Selanne/Zhamnov/Tkachuk, with Steen now on the 3rd line. People I knew were more excited about acquiring Emerson, but I was pulling for Yserbaert moreso.

Detroit acquiring him for very little (via New Jersey), and him putting up back-to-back 30 goal seasons, Detroit signing Ray Sheppard the next year, then the Kevin Miller for Ciccarelli deal. Carson also pacing for back-to-back 30 goal seasons of his own before being shipped off. I love those line-ups (not to mention that I'm VERY big on Mark Howe and Brad McCrimmon). To go with Primeau, Kozlov, even guys like Drake and Kennedy, and all of those other guys coming up or having to wait (Lapointe/Sillinger/Pushor/etc).

Really feel that they could have won it all in 1993, just got super unlucky with injuries during the playoffs, Cheveldae who played great in 1992 sucked BADLY, and Toronto was always going to be the worst matchup for them.

I thought it was going to be Pittsburgh vs Detroit, with Detroit winning it because of their depth. I was rooting for Jets, Buffalo (Hawerchuk), Islanders (Al Arbour), and Detroit that year.
 
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BarnabyJones PI

I'd kindly settle for a tall glass of milk.
Game logs don't seem to corroborate this at all.

Shawn Burr is mis-remembering things. He was scratched for five games in a row (unless he was hurt), immediately after playing the first game of the year of the 1993-94 campaign. He scores a hat trick on October 18th, 1993 vs the Sabres.

Bowman, of course, was behind the bench by that point.

He wasn't scratched immediately after that though, and he'd also play under Bowman for the 1994-95 season.
 
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Thanks for the info on MacLean @Gorskyontario and @BarnabyJones PI, find it interesting that the January tail off seems to be a trend even before lol maybe he just couldn't deal as well with the rigor of the full season.

Looks like Hawerchuk is another guy who had real slim pickings to work with on the wings like LaFontaine while he was the man on Long Island and Yzerman especially around 1989-1990 and 1990-1991. The Demers era Wings were pretty much the opposite to the Jets in their defensemen composition. They had guys who could play the body and stay at home, but seriously lacked in skating or any real sort of finesse skill, especially with the departure of Darren Veitch (one of the Goose Loonies guys) who was finally showing some of the promise from when he was drafted during 1987-1988.

Ashton I would think was traded at least partly because of Goose Loonies. He wasn't a participant, but he made a scene about it in front of Wings writers at the time Mitch Albom and Keith Gave which led them to investigate it more and report on it.


Ysebaert was definitely one of my favorites from that time. He had a cool name, he could really fly, and he was one of those guys that seemed equally as adaptable and effective playing with both Fedorov and Yzerman.

There used to be music videos for some of the Wings players from PASS sports back in the early nineties. Fedorov got Neil Young's "Rockin' in the Free World", Yzerman got some Dire Straits joint that I honestly didn't like as much, and Ysebaert was noteworthy enough here to get Elton John's "Rocket Man" as that was his nickname in Detroit lol

Unfortunately, Ysebaert never did find the same scoring touch in the playoffs as he did in the regular season with the Wings which is why I think they moved on from him.

Awesome post!



First off, I'm still confused why John Ferguson traded him away for Brent Ashton. Ashton seemingly played well with Detroit in the playoffs in '87 and '88, he's two years younger than MacLean, and the Jets weren't really getting any where in the playoffs as they were constructed (though they finally won a game vs the Oilers in the playoffs). I get that. Still, I hated the trade.

I seem to recall reading in John Ferguson's book, that he thought that Paul MacLean's hands should in the Smithsonian. I also swear the same thing was said about Ray Sheppard by another GM (maybe Bowman).

As far as MacLean in 1984-85, it was his most consistent year, and that team's scoring was very balanced beyond the 1st line. I think MacLean had a tendency in his career to tail off around January/February, after relatively hot starts, but not that season.

It didn't hurt that Brian Mullen also had his best year as well (and the entire team), and they both consistently played on Hawerchuk's line. IMO, the best line up the Jets had in those days, was the Hawerchuk-MacLean-Mullen line. He would also play on Laurie Boschman's line too here and there, and Steen as well.

Boschman

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Boschman had a nice run of his own that probably doesn't get much notice. MacLean could be moved up and down the line-up that year, and still be in a pretty good spot to put up numbers wherever he landed.

Take into account too, that for all of the flaws of the Jets defenseman during that decade, they had a number of pretty good number of puck-movers on the back end, still having Dave Babych that year (to go with Carlyle, Ellett, and Robert Picard).



I feel the same way.

For me, it's a combination of there still being helmetless guys, guys who can be traced back to the WHA or the NHL of the '70s, all of those great players who were born in the '60s, the influx of foreign players (at first), that the scoring was still high, the speed and skill was being showcased, there were still some of the older buildings, there were still throwback announcers who had been around for decades, and I like most of the drafts up until 1991 (at the latest 1993). Also, not having access to every game being televised, and listening to the radio from time-to-time, was greater than I realized (depending on who was the play-by-play announcer of course).

As an aside, I was excited that the Jets got Paul Ysebaert in '93, and that they could have a line of Ysebaert, Emerson, and Darrin Shannon, backing up Selanne/Zhamnov/Tkachuk, with Steen now on the 3rd line. People I knew were more excited about acquiring Emerson, but I was pulling for Yserbaert moreso.

Detroit acquiring him for very little (via New Jersey), and him putting up back-to-back 30 goal seasons, Detroit signing Ray Sheppard the next year, then the Kevin Miller for Ciccarelli deal. Carson also pacing for back-to-back 30 goal seasons of his own before being shipped off. I love those line-ups (not to mention that I'm VERY big on Mark Howe and Brad McCrimmon). To go with Primeau, Kozlov, even guys like Drake and Kennedy, and all of those other guys coming up or having to wait (Lapointe/Sillinger/Pushor/etc).



I thought it was going to be Pittsburgh vs Detroit, with Detroit winning it because of their depth. I was rooting for Jets, Buffalo (Hawerchuk), Islanders (Al Arbour), and Detroit that year.
 

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