Pastrnak's journey to the best goal scorer in the world

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It was a nice read and genuine work by OP. I think it is very rude to get fixed with his praise of Pastrnak and offended because he ranks Pasta as no 1. Are you folks that insecure and in need to defend McDavid?
 
Havirov's youth program in Czechia (where he is from), then did a couple of years in Sweden playing a mix of Swedish Juniors and in the 2nd division, that earned him a late 1st round selection of the Boston Bruins. He split time in the NHL with Boston and AHL in Providence at the start, but pretty quickly established himself as a fulltime NHL player. His production increased as did his ice time, as he hit his 2nd contract, he established himself as one of the Bruins premiere players. Since then he has only continued to improve and split the Rocket Richard Trophy in the prematurely halted 2019-20 season. Now he is in his prime and a bonafide superstar. As far as best goal scorer in the NHL goes, McDavid has more goals this season, the last 2 seasons, the last 3 seasons , the last 4 seasons, the last 5 seasons, the last 6 seasons, the last 7 seasons and the last 8 seasons (when he entered the League). So I think I'd go with him.
 
I don't think he was ever considered as goal scorer.

In the draft they were talking about how he was a all around guy, not a dynamic goal scorer
but with a great two way game (Bob McKenzie), mix of Justin Williams and Anze Kopitar.

Boston picked him 25th in the 2014 NHL Entry Draft (at the time he was listed at 5 foot 10 and 170+ lbs)
- he was ranked from 22 to 35


Lets start from 2012

He went to play to Sweden, to develop more as a hockey player
played mostly in the J20 Super Elite for Södertälje.

36 games
12 goals
17 assists
29 points
+6
77 penalty minutes

2 goals, 2 assists, 4 points +2 and 10 penalty minutes in the play-offs

Also played in the AllsVenskan for 11 games, there he scored 2 goals and added 1 assist
In the SHL Q series in 5 games, didn't score any points (Södertälje were not promoted to the SHL and remained in the AlllSvenskan)

WJC-18 : 1 goal, 1 assist in 5 games


2013-2014 (his draft year)


Pasta played mostly in the AllSvenskan, scored 8 goals, 16 assists, 24 points in 36 games, was +7 and had 28 penalty minutes
12 games combined in the WJC-18 & WJC, scored 1 goal and 7 assists, 8 points.

Experts/analysts were praising his WJC games in Sweden, where he scored a goal and two assists in five games,
even though didn't score that much, he played really well, showed strong two way game.

2014-2015 (his first NA pro season)


Started the season from the AHL, scored 2 primary assists in his P-Bruins debut, scored 2 goals, 4 assists in first 4 games in A.
- all of his assists were primary.

Got his first call up in late November after scoring 4 goals, 14 assists in 18 games in the AHL
- played 5 games, 1 assist, ice time; 7:53, 17:02, 17:00, 15:34 and 13:37

Rest of the December he played in the AHL,, his last AHL games of his rookie season.
His pro debut in NA, in the AHL : 11 goals, 17 assists, 28 points in 25 games, he was +16. (76 sog)


He scored his first career goal in his 2nd game back, he ended up scoring 4 goals in 2 games,
then only once in his next 12 games.

His ice time varied; in his first 5 games back he averaged 16:30 per game, but next 7, 13:10 in average
then his ice time jumped, also his scoring; next 24 games, 6 goals, 15 assists, 21 points,
ended his rookie season with 5 games without a point.

NHL rookie season : 10 goals, 17 assists, 27 points in 46 games (93 sog)
(3 pp goals - 24 ev points )


2015-2016

He started his season from the NHL this time, his ice time continued to vary a lot, mostly bottom-6 role
but had every now and then good 15, 16, 17 minute games as well.

he lost number of games after thumb surgery, playing 51 games.

15 goals, 11 assists, 26 points, 108 sog, all of his points were scored 5 on 5


2016-2017 (the breakout #1 season)


He started his last ELC contract year with a bang, 3 game goal streak, 4 game point streak, he got a steady ice time from the get go
and stayed in the top 6 the entire season.

5 goals in his first 3 games. 15 shots on goal. Other than his late December 8 game pointless streak, Pasta scored goals and points
steadily through his 3rd season. His average ice time grew with almost 5 minutes per game. - it showed in production, also sog

34 goals (12 PP), 36 assists, 70 points with 263 sog in 75 games, huge difference from 93 and 108 sog seasons

His breakout season brought him a 6 year, 6.66 million dollar contract (that expires after this season and his new 11,25 mill contract kicks in)


2017-2018


His next season was a middle of the park kind of season, no production progression from previous season, but none of the other kind either

35 goals (13 PP), 80 points, with exact the same ice time what previous season, played his first play-offs games though,
- two strong seasons in a row, but no star level production yet. (had 30 less shots on goal what last season)


2018-2019

Pasta's average ice time increased by about 1,5 minutes per game, his sog count dropped slightly, but his s% increased with 3.
38 goals (17 PP), 81 points in 66 games, this was his first season when he led the Bruins in goals.

He had solidified himself as an 30+ goal and 70-80 point elite skater, next goal; star level
- had a strong 1,23 ppg season



Next season he had his second breakout season, where he became the star play player we all know,
but this season... he has gone beyond and become the best goal scorer in the NHL (AINEC)


He never really had a neck for scoring goals, but here we are, 60 goals, 109 points in a single season in the NHL,
when he was really never regarded as an serious offensive threat either..



| i was going to write more, from each season, but then ugh... i got bored :) and yeah, its not very good read, but its something at least | |


sO YoU T a K e H I m Over everyone else in the legue? Pasta is great but there are few players in the league that a case could be made for them being slightly better goal scorers
 
I don't think he was ever considered as goal scorer.

In the draft they were talking about how he was a all around guy, not a dynamic goal scorer
but with a great two way game (Bob McKenzie), mix of Justin Williams and Anze Kopitar.

Boston picked him 25th in the 2014 NHL Entry Draft (at the time he was listed at 5 foot 10 and 170+ lbs)
- he was ranked from 22 to 35


Lets start from 2012

He went to play to Sweden, to develop more as a hockey player
played mostly in the J20 Super Elite for Södertälje.

36 games
12 goals
17 assists
29 points
+6
77 penalty minutes

2 goals, 2 assists, 4 points +2 and 10 penalty minutes in the play-offs

Also played in the AllsVenskan for 11 games, there he scored 2 goals and added 1 assist
In the SHL Q series in 5 games, didn't score any points (Södertälje were not promoted to the SHL and remained in the AlllSvenskan)

WJC-18 : 1 goal, 1 assist in 5 games


2013-2014 (his draft year)


Pasta played mostly in the AllSvenskan, scored 8 goals, 16 assists, 24 points in 36 games, was +7 and had 28 penalty minutes
12 games combined in the WJC-18 & WJC, scored 1 goal and 7 assists, 8 points.

Experts/analysts were praising his WJC games in Sweden, where he scored a goal and two assists in five games,
even though didn't score that much, he played really well, showed strong two way game.

2014-2015 (his first NA pro season)


Started the season from the AHL, scored 2 primary assists in his P-Bruins debut, scored 2 goals, 4 assists in first 4 games in A.
- all of his assists were primary.

Got his first call up in late November after scoring 4 goals, 14 assists in 18 games in the AHL
- played 5 games, 1 assist, ice time; 7:53, 17:02, 17:00, 15:34 and 13:37

Rest of the December he played in the AHL,, his last AHL games of his rookie season.
His pro debut in NA, in the AHL : 11 goals, 17 assists, 28 points in 25 games, he was +16. (76 sog)


He scored his first career goal in his 2nd game back, he ended up scoring 4 goals in 2 games,
then only once in his next 12 games.

His ice time varied; in his first 5 games back he averaged 16:30 per game, but next 7, 13:10 in average
then his ice time jumped, also his scoring; next 24 games, 6 goals, 15 assists, 21 points,
ended his rookie season with 5 games without a point.

NHL rookie season : 10 goals, 17 assists, 27 points in 46 games (93 sog)
(3 pp goals - 24 ev points )


2015-2016

He started his season from the NHL this time, his ice time continued to vary a lot, mostly bottom-6 role
but had every now and then good 15, 16, 17 minute games as well.

he lost number of games after thumb surgery, playing 51 games.

15 goals, 11 assists, 26 points, 108 sog, all of his points were scored 5 on 5


2016-2017 (the breakout #1 season)


He started his last ELC contract year with a bang, 3 game goal streak, 4 game point streak, he got a steady ice time from the get go
and stayed in the top 6 the entire season.

5 goals in his first 3 games. 15 shots on goal. Other than his late December 8 game pointless streak, Pasta scored goals and points
steadily through his 3rd season. His average ice time grew with almost 5 minutes per game. - it showed in production, also sog

34 goals (12 PP), 36 assists, 70 points with 263 sog in 75 games, huge difference from 93 and 108 sog seasons

His breakout season brought him a 6 year, 6.66 million dollar contract (that expires after this season and his new 11,25 mill contract kicks in)


2017-2018


His next season was a middle of the park kind of season, no production progression from previous season, but none of the other kind either

35 goals (13 PP), 80 points, with exact the same ice time what previous season, played his first play-offs games though,
- two strong seasons in a row, but no star level production yet. (had 30 less shots on goal what last season)


2018-2019

Pasta's average ice time increased by about 1,5 minutes per game, his sog count dropped slightly, but his s% increased with 3.
38 goals (17 PP), 81 points in 66 games, this was his first season when he led the Bruins in goals.

He had solidified himself as an 30+ goal and 70-80 point elite skater, next goal; star level
- had a strong 1,23 ppg season



Next season he had his second breakout season, where he became the star play player we all know,
but this season... he has gone beyond and become the best goal scorer in the NHL (AINEC)


He never really had a neck for scoring goals, but here we are, 60 goals, 109 points in a single season in the NHL,
when he was really never regarded as an serious offensive threat either..



| i was going to write more, from each season, but then ugh... i got bored :) and yeah, its not very good read, but its something at least | |

A long, long time ago
In a galaxy far, far away

Whole lot of meh ……….
 
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I don't know if I love David Pastrnak or George Leafer more.


I hadn't realized how far ahead he was in scoring lead on the Bruins, goodness golly thats insane.

Also HM to Krejci, who the f*** goes in retirement for a year at 34 and comes back being this good?
he played last year--The Czeck, Swedish and Finisg leagues are pretty good---if he played here in the UK--then yeah--he retired but not in the league he played in
 
Did McDavid and Matthews retire
I'd like this post but whiners report all of my.posts and I lost likes. Matthews is still the best.goal scorer in the world. He's been hurt all year and still scored 40. Think about that. With one wrist effectively a noodle he has scored 40.. That's f***ing nuts. It's Matthews and it's never been close...
 
Two AINECs in this thread and neither one refers to the guy who scored 64 and counting.

Thread should be sponsored by Domino's because it absolutely delivers.
 
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It amazes me how little respect he gets on HF. He's already won a rocket in 2020! This isn't a new thing.

He lost his son last offseason and had an off season with only 40 goals and a .ppg pace.


And people are talking about him like this season is a fluke.lol

60 goals 2 seasons after winning a rocket.

McDavid is on a different level, he's not human. Pasta is not that but he will probably get a Hart nomination to add to his Rocket trophy...

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Some even suggest he's being carried.. by who? He leads team in assists too and has a healthy 40 point lead on 2nd which is why I think he'll get a Hart nom. Best team in the regular season by a mile and he has a 40 point lead on second.

60 goals was enough to get Matthew's a Hart last season. This year you'd have to get 70 to even be considered for that after what McD is doing.

Seems like the best comeback is that he's not McDavid.. totally agree. He's firmly in the 2nd best player in the league talk this year though. Imagine 'not being McDavid' as a big insult.lol He is outpacing Matthews Hart and Rocket year. Holy hell was this place insufferable when Matthews won with 60 goals and 106 points. Pasta gets 60 goals and 109 points (2 games left) and he's not in Top 5 conversations.lol

100 goals in his last 2 seasons. Put some respect on the man's name!

I'll see myself out.

Nice post. Worth mentioning that he could beat Jagr's Czech goal record (62). Best player we've had since Jagr imo.
 
I'd like this post but whiners report all of my.posts and I lost likes. Matthews is still the best.goal scorer in the world. He's been hurt all year and still scored 40. Think about that. With one wrist effectively a noodle he has scored 40.. That's f***ing nuts. It's Matthews and it's never been close...
Draisaitl put up 32 points in 16 playoff games last season playing on a bummed ankle.. Were you singing his praises after this? No, you definitely weren't.

Going off your narrative, he would have had 40-45+ points in 16 games if healthy.

Some Leafs fans still can't accept the fact that McDavid outscoring Matthews is something your going to have to get used to.

Also, Matthews doesn't have 40, yet.
 
Nice post. Worth mentioning that he could beat Jagr's Czech goal record (62). Best player we've had since Jagr imo.
Id say that is AINEC type situation. I also fully admit I thought Vrana was the better prospect and that I definitely didn't see this coming. Now we need someone to become the next Hasek.lol
 
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I don't think he was ever considered as goal scorer.

In the draft they were talking about how he was a all around guy, not a dynamic goal scorer
but with a great two way game (Bob McKenzie), mix of Justin Williams and Anze Kopitar.

Boston picked him 25th in the 2014 NHL Entry Draft (at the time he was listed at 5 foot 10 and 170+ lbs)
- he was ranked from 22 to 35


Lets start from 2012

He went to play to Sweden, to develop more as a hockey player
played mostly in the J20 Super Elite for Södertälje.

36 games
12 goals
17 assists
29 points
+6
77 penalty minutes

2 goals, 2 assists, 4 points +2 and 10 penalty minutes in the play-offs

Also played in the AllsVenskan for 11 games, there he scored 2 goals and added 1 assist
In the SHL Q series in 5 games, didn't score any points (Södertälje were not promoted to the SHL and remained in the AlllSvenskan)

WJC-18 : 1 goal, 1 assist in 5 games


2013-2014 (his draft year)


Pasta played mostly in the AllSvenskan, scored 8 goals, 16 assists, 24 points in 36 games, was +7 and had 28 penalty minutes
12 games combined in the WJC-18 & WJC, scored 1 goal and 7 assists, 8 points.

Experts/analysts were praising his WJC games in Sweden, where he scored a goal and two assists in five games,
even though didn't score that much, he played really well, showed strong two way game.

2014-2015 (his first NA pro season)


Started the season from the AHL, scored 2 primary assists in his P-Bruins debut, scored 2 goals, 4 assists in first 4 games in A.
- all of his assists were primary.

Got his first call up in late November after scoring 4 goals, 14 assists in 18 games in the AHL
- played 5 games, 1 assist, ice time; 7:53, 17:02, 17:00, 15:34 and 13:37

Rest of the December he played in the AHL,, his last AHL games of his rookie season.
His pro debut in NA, in the AHL : 11 goals, 17 assists, 28 points in 25 games, he was +16. (76 sog)


He scored his first career goal in his 2nd game back, he ended up scoring 4 goals in 2 games,
then only once in his next 12 games.

His ice time varied; in his first 5 games back he averaged 16:30 per game, but next 7, 13:10 in average
then his ice time jumped, also his scoring; next 24 games, 6 goals, 15 assists, 21 points,
ended his rookie season with 5 games without a point.

NHL rookie season : 10 goals, 17 assists, 27 points in 46 games (93 sog)
(3 pp goals - 24 ev points )


2015-2016

He started his season from the NHL this time, his ice time continued to vary a lot, mostly bottom-6 role
but had every now and then good 15, 16, 17 minute games as well.

he lost number of games after thumb surgery, playing 51 games.

15 goals, 11 assists, 26 points, 108 sog, all of his points were scored 5 on 5


2016-2017 (the breakout #1 season)


He started his last ELC contract year with a bang, 3 game goal streak, 4 game point streak, he got a steady ice time from the get go
and stayed in the top 6 the entire season.

5 goals in his first 3 games. 15 shots on goal. Other than his late December 8 game pointless streak, Pasta scored goals and points
steadily through his 3rd season. His average ice time grew with almost 5 minutes per game. - it showed in production, also sog

34 goals (12 PP), 36 assists, 70 points with 263 sog in 75 games, huge difference from 93 and 108 sog seasons

His breakout season brought him a 6 year, 6.66 million dollar contract (that expires after this season and his new 11,25 mill contract kicks in)


2017-2018


His next season was a middle of the park kind of season, no production progression from previous season, but none of the other kind either

35 goals (13 PP), 80 points, with exact the same ice time what previous season, played his first play-offs games though,
- two strong seasons in a row, but no star level production yet. (had 30 less shots on goal what last season)


2018-2019

Pasta's average ice time increased by about 1,5 minutes per game, his sog count dropped slightly, but his s% increased with 3.
38 goals (17 PP), 81 points in 66 games, this was his first season when he led the Bruins in goals.

He had solidified himself as an 30+ goal and 70-80 point elite skater, next goal; star level
- had a strong 1,23 ppg season



Next season he had his second breakout season, where he became the star play player we all know,
but this season... he has gone beyond and become the best goal scorer in the NHL (AINEC)


He never really had a neck for scoring goals, but here we are, 60 goals, 109 points in a single season in the NHL,
when he was really never regarded as an serious offensive threat either..



| i was going to write more, from each season, but then ugh... i got bored :) and yeah, its not very good read, but its something at least | |

He’s definitely made himself part of the conversation of best goal scorer in the world, along with Ovechkin, Matthews, Draisaitl and McDavid.

Great goal scorer but not many intelligent fans will share the opinion that he’s the best goal scorer in the NHL AINEC… really ignorant take.
 
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Him and McDavid are tied for 2nd for me at this point, he's an unreal goal scorer
 
Cooler, more realistic heads must prevail here. McDavid is more dynamic and there is another tier just below. Mathews, Pasternak, Drai, maybe even Point. As far as comparing Oilers and Bruins, It's not fair to either club. Both are awesome, so lets not insult either.
 
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I love Pastrnak so don't take it wrong.

Since Matthews entered the league:
479 GP, 298 G (more goals than any other player since the beginning of 2016/2017 season)
Pasternak:
493 GP, 275 G

How can it possibly be argued Pastrnak is the better goal scorer?
 
I'd like this post but whiners report all of my.posts and I lost likes. Matthews is still the best.goal scorer in the world. He's been hurt all year and still scored 40. Think about that. With one wrist effectively a noodle he has scored 40.. That's f***ing nuts. It's Matthews and it's never been close...
McDavid is a better goal scorer than Matthews.
 
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Last years 60 goal guy won a Rocket and a Hart. Then I had to read about how he's better than McDavid till about Xmas.lol

Yeah...this never happened.

In terms of pure goal-scoring, I think it's him and Matthews.

I mean, McDavid does whatever McDavid wants to do. He came into the year with a challenge to be a bigger shooter. If he comes in next year with a challenge to be a superior defensive forward, he'll be down to 110 points or something and be like a +80. He's a mutant.

But Matthews and Pasta are built around their ability to score in binges. They're always going to be that.

Matthews has almost no hat tricks. He scores consistently, not in bunches (which is what I think you meant to say).

Edit: I thought about it, yeah, maybe binge makes sense in the context you used. Just never heard it said like that before.
 
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McDavid is a better goal scorer than Matthews.

This actually might be true. The theory being he's focused on playmaking all along and decided to focus on goals this year for the first time. If that's the case, I'd agree with you. But we need more evidence that this season isn't an outlier because Matthews has scored more goals since entering the league by a fair bit than McD.
 
Matthews has almost no hat tricks. He scores consistently, not in bunches (which is what I think you meant to say).
I don't dispute Matthews being the best goal scorer since he's entered the league, but saying a guy who debuted with a 4 goal game doesn't score in bunches is pretty funny stuff.
 
I don't dispute Matthews being the best goal scorer since he's entered the league, but saying a guy who debuted with a 4 goal game doesn't score in bunches is pretty funny stuff.

It's just that...he doesn't. Leafs fans discuss it all the time how he almost never scores in bunches. For a guy that scores so consistently, it's actually a phenomenon that he only averages one hattrick a season.
 

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