Passionate Arizona fans is a thing - Brawl

[Groo]

 

[wetcoast]

f*** that dude in the red shirt for clocking the Coyotes girl fan

She was wearing #87.....

 

[Kimota]

If you become a asshole when you drink, DON'T DRINK, maybe try gummies and then you will at least be happy for a while.

Pretty sure these guys wanted to be assholes. Esp. he red shirt one.

 

[Lindberg Cheese]

What’s happens in my mullet, stays in my mullet

 

[IronBloodedLion]

My wife and I are going up to Montreal for a game against the Rangers in March. I keep sending her clips like this and it’s freaking her out lol.

 

[Tom Polakis]

Pricey? That's Arizona.

I think pretty much nobody got my self-effacing lower bowl/upper bowl joke.

 

[Daz28]

A guy on Facebook pointed this out to me, but Brittney Griner clearly sexually assaulted Rob Gronkowski here. Did anyone else notice this?

 

[Monsieur Miz]

I love watching a bunch of morons go at it over something as meaningless as a hockey game. Let's gooooo!

 

[hangman005]

What morons.

That said I'm not a fan of the premise of the thread title, seeing as the franchise has been a never ending nightmare with no signs of hope for so long, it stands to reason to only fans left are the passionate ones.

 

[alko]

 

[tarheelhockey]

Someone getting their finger bit off is clearly false, as that would have been posted numerous times in this thread, the article pertaining to that.

“Clearly false” = confirmed by police

Person's finger tip bitten off during fight at Coyotes vs. Bruins game, police say

Police say someone lost the tip of their finger during a brawl in the stands at the Arizona Coyotes game in Tempe on Dec. 9. A Phoenix Police officer was also hurt trying to break up the scuffle.

www.fox10phoenix.com

This almost certainly happened in the dogpile, which only happened because an officer stood there uselessly and allowed a fighter to tell him off and re-enter the brawl.

 

[Dr Pepper]

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[Brooklyndevil]

You pay to go to sporting events to be entertained. The players could give a rats ass about the fans and there they are punching each other out. I don’t get it.

 

[GrumpyKoala]

That's your take away from this? how could you possibly see she took a swing at the dude? Getting between two guys isn't taking a a swing at someone.

It looks like she first gets involved trying to pull away the person she knows.

On time, in my late 20, I was hammered at the bar when a fight between two large dude erupted.
heroically I stood up and stand between the two.

Exactly 2 second later, I was punch in the eye, concussed to the ground.

Was it the right thing to do? Maybe....
Is it my own fault I got beat up? totally.

 

[tarheelhockey]

On time, in my late 20, I was hammered at the bar when a fight between two large dude erupted.
heroically I stood up and stand between the two.

Exactly 2 second later, I was punch in the eye, concussed to the ground.

Was it the right thing to do? Maybe....
Is it my own fault I got beat up? totally.

This is the reality of getting involved in someone else's fight. People are either prepared for this outcome or they are not.

I think back to the end of the movie "Stand By Me" when one of the main characters overcomes all his troubles, becomes a lawyer against the odds, and dies when some random stranger stabs him because he got between two guys in a fight. Nobody asked him to be the peacemaker, but he made a choice and paid for it.

In this case, #87 with all best intentions decided to pull her (friend?) away from a fight, then moved around him and started putting her hands on the guy she didn't know. That is, in 100% of real life situations, an invitation to be punched in the face. The idea that someone is going to stop in the middle of a fistfight to think about whether it's socially appropriate to hit the person who just jumped up and started grabbing at them, is not real life.

The lesson is to leave people the **** alone when they're fighting, and if you decide to get involved, assume you are now going to be attacked as a combatant. There is no "red jersey" option.

 

[AnInjuredJasonZucker]

This is the reality of getting involved in someone else's fight. People are either prepared for this outcome or they are not.

I think back to the end of the movie "Stand By Me" when one of the main characters overcomes all his troubles, becomes a lawyer against the odds, and dies when some random stranger stabs him because he got between two guys in a fight. Nobody asked him to be the peacemaker, but he made a choice and paid for it.

In this case, #87 with all best intentions decided to pull her (friend?) away from a fight, then moved around him and started putting her hands on the guy she didn't know. That is, in 100% of real life situations, an invitation to be punched in the face. The idea that someone is going to stop in the middle of a fistfight to think about whether it's socially appropriate to hit the person who just jumped up and started grabbing at them, is not real life.

The lesson is to leave people the **** alone when they're fighting, and if you decide to get involved, assume you are now going to be attacked as a combatant. There is no "red jersey" option.

Most of this makes sense - except for "invitation to be punched in the face." It is nothing of the sort - and the puncher (who was also the aggressor) is 100% in the wrong in that situation. Not being in control isn't an excuse.

For what it's worth, #87 did the "right" thing, as Pastrnak was getting worked by red shirt, and Coyotes Jersey on the left was giving rat shots from the side at the same time. It was a pretty cowardly display by those two, and Pasta was in some serious trouble. Seems like she knew the risk and took a huge shot for it, but it still doesn't mean that red shirt is in any way absolved.

 

[AKL]

Most of this makes sense - except for "invitation to be punched in the face." It is nothing of the sort - and the puncher (who was also the aggressor) is 100% in the wrong in that situation. Not being in control isn't an excuse.

For what it's worth, #87 did the "right" thing, as Pastrnak was getting worked by red shirt, and Coyotes Jersey on the left was giving rat shots from the side at the same time. It was a pretty cowardly display by those two, and Pasta was in some serious trouble. Seems like she knew the risk and took a huge shot for it, but it still doesn't mean that red shirt is in any way absolved.

"Invitation to be punched in the face" does not mean "the person who punched is absolved"

 

[Lazlo Hollyfeld]

On time, in my late 20, I was hammered at the bar when a fight between two large dude erupted.
heroically I stood up and stand between the two.

Exactly 2 second later, I was punch in the eye, concussed to the ground.

Was it the right thing to do? Maybe....
Is it my own fault I got beat up? totally.

I know what you're saying but in this case it looked like the woman was with one of the guys involved.

So it's more of a split second reaction of trying to stop your idiot boyfriend.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Most of this makes sense - except for "invitation to be punched in the face." It is nothing of the sort - and the puncher (who was also the aggressor) is 100% in the wrong in that situation. Not being in control isn't an excuse.

For what it's worth, #87 did the "right" thing, as Pastrnak was getting worked by red shirt, and Coyotes Jersey on the left was giving rat shots from the side at the same time. It was a pretty cowardly display by those two, and Pasta was in some serious trouble. Seems like she knew the risk and took a huge shot for it, but it still doesn't mean that red shirt is in any way absolved.

This:

"Invitation to be punched in the face" does not mean "the person who punched is absolved"

Hopefully the guy who punched her was the one who went to jail. He made his choices.

That said, she absolutely did invite the punch when she decided to grab at him. He's a grown man running on adrenaline and alcohol, throwing haymakers and receiving haymakers in return. What did she think was going to happen when she stepped into the middle of that? It's just real life that you don't jump into that situation with anything other than an assumption that you're gonna get punched.

 

[biturbo19]

She was wearing #87.....

It's a Gronkowski jersey. Boston football team.

Le Croz doesn't own that number exclusively.

 

[AnInjuredJasonZucker]

"Invitation to be punched in the face" does not mean "the person who punched is absolved"

Unfortunately, a lot of the narrative surrounding such incidents tends to do just that.

 

[AnInjuredJasonZucker]

This:



Hopefully the guy who punched her was the one who went to jail. He made his choices.

That said, she absolutely did invite the punch when she decided to grab at him. He's a grown man running on adrenaline and alcohol, throwing haymakers and receiving haymakers in return. What did she think was going to happen when she stepped into the middle of that? It's just real life that you don't jump into that situation with anything other than an assumption that you're gonna get punched.

Knowing what's likely to happen and inviting it to happen are two completely different things. The latter puts an unnecessary level of blame on the victim.

 

[AKL]

Unfortunately, a lot of the narrative surrounding such incidents tends to do just that.

Knowing what's likely to happen and inviting it to happen are two completely different things. The latter puts an unnecessary level of blame on the victim.

No, they don't tend to do just that.

There needs to be a distinct separation between "blaming the victim" and "acknowledging the victim could have taken alternate precautions to avoid becoming the victim", and you're conflating the two.

If I walk down a street late at night in a bad part of town wearing a lot of flashy jewelry and talking really loud on the phone about how I just won $100,000 at the casino and I'm on my way home, and I get mugged and robbed for the money and jewels, the perpetrator of the crime is still the one at fault, but I could have done a lot of things differently to avoid putting myself in a vulnerable position in the first place. THAT is what needs to be understood in conversations like this.

No one is blaming her for getting punched, it's still the guy's fault and he should still face the consequences. But if she didn't try to get in the middle of two men throwing punches at each other, she probably wouldn't have gotten punched. If that is not something we can see eye to eye on, there's no further point in the discussion at all. But no one is "victim blaming" here.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Knowing what's likely to happen and inviting it to happen are two completely different things. The latter puts an unnecessary level of blame on the victim.

I think it's fair to say that she didn't know what was likely to happen.

That being said, it's not unfair to blame a "victim" who makes a poor decision to create danger for herself. She dives into a brawl and grabs someone unexpectedly, she gets punched. That's fair. Don't get involved with an active fistfight, grab a total stranger out of nowhere, and think he's not going to punch you in your ****ing face. That's the real world we live in as demonstrated in this video. Legal issues are a different matter.