Part 2- 2015 Draft - or ALL prior draft discussion here

[LouJersey]

When a consensus Top 10 pick falls to you at 15, "due diligence" is a garbage excuse. You take the kid, period. It's not rocket science.

Biggest organizational need? An elite C prospect. What was Barzal? An elite C prospect.

If Sweeney was that "lost" after failing to move up for Hanifin, then just go pick the 3 BPA and call it a day. Doing that would've gotten them Barzal, Connor and Zboril.

Not that they shouldn't have still taken him, but they did have Bergeron and Krejci inked to long term deals and Ryan Spooner was 22 and looked like he might be something, and even Koko was 22 as well and looking like it was possible he would be a player. I think Donato was picked the year before as well.

 

[DominicT]

5 years searching for depth scoring yet we passed up on a couple general consensus because the GM failed to have a backup plan when the Hanifin deal didn't work out. It will unfortunately be Sween-Dog's defining moment and the reasonable scapegoat to why we didn't get Bergeron another cup

They were never after Hanifin. Sorry guys. The guy they wanted was Werenski.

 

[LouJersey]

They were never after Hanifin. Sorry guys. The guy they wanted was Werenski.

#mythbuster!

 

[DominicT]

#mythbuster!

#IGaveDanTheProof

But yes, I allowed the myth to go on for 5 plus years so shoot me

 

[Tbaybruin]

I’m ok with the fact we missed on all three. This isn’t the issue. We take Zboril,DeBrusk thenConnor or Barzal. This is acceptable. Missing on elite talent isn’t acceptable to a fan base who wants more cups.

 

[NDiesel]

Zboril wasn't a big reach. He was just a blown evaluation by Sweeney and the staff. The 2 reaches were DeBrusk and Senyshyn. Senyshyn's average ranking was around 40 and DeBrusk's average ranking was 25-26 (McKenzie had him at 28). Quality player, but nowhere near the BPA and was taken over players (Barzal, Connor, Konecny) who were superior at the time and have proven to still be superior players 5 years later. Thus, he was a mismanaged pick. Again, I'm not blaming DeBrusk and especially Senyshyn for being taken over 2 studs. They didn't hold a gun to Sweeney's head and demand that he select them. The blame is on Sweeney and his staff.

Konecny literally has the same ppg as Debrusk up to this point, not sure why he's included with Barzal and Connor.

This draft went from possibly the best draft we've ever had to just a very good draft.

Complaining about it is like having $995k and being upset that you aren't a millionaire.

 

[Sevendust]

#IGaveDanTheProof

But yes, I allowed the myth to go on for 5 plus years so shoot me

So why they didnt get the pick then?

 

[DominicT]

So why they didnt get the pick then?

I could tell you, but then I'd have to stay off the internet

 

[Bearcrap]

So why they didnt get the pick then?

names they drew out of the hat?

 

[Bmessy]

They were never after Hanifin. Sorry guys. The guy they wanted was Werenski.

Dang that woulda been nice

 

[Dr Hook]

I could tell you, but then I'd have to stay off the internet

Someday the statute of limitations will run out on all this info. Hope I am still around when it does

 

[Montecristo]

2015 draft issues will haunt this team for another 5 years or so. So much potential to be so much better for so much longer

 

[MattFromFranklin]

My theory remains that the whole Hamilton deal and the collection of the 3 firsts was built around the idea of moving up for Hanifan, which fell apart and left Sweeney in a situation where he had to pick three players that he didn't plan on picking and wasn't prepared to make the decision in advance. Add that to the fact that nobody thought Barzal would be on the board that late means he probably never put in the time to truly evaluate him, while they did put time in evaluating Senyshyn as a possible 2nd round pick, and he fell for the player and decided to pick him there at 15 rather than waiting and didn't feel comfortable choosing a guy like Barzal he hadn't done proper due diligence on.

I agree that's what happened, but a smart GM would prepare for a situation in which the deal fell apart and they'd have to made 3 picks, just in case. Also, you don't make 2 trades with the HOPE of using all 3 picks to move up. Because Sweeney and the staff were morons, they weren't prepared and likely settled for the guys they were targeting with picks 37 (DeBrusk) and 45 (Senyshyn). You better, at the very least, have Carolina draw up the paper work on a proposed trade before you acquire the picks.

 

[MattFromFranklin]

Not that they shouldn't have still taken him, but they did have Bergeron and Krejci inked to long term deals and Ryan Spooner was 22 and looked like he might be something, and even Koko was 22 as well and looking like it was possible he would be a player. I think Donato was picked the year before as well.

By that logic, they should've passed on McDavid if they had the first overall pick. We also never should've drafted Seguin with Bergeron, Krejci, and Savard all under contract. You take the best player available every single time. When we were picking, there was a clear separation between Barzal (and Connor) from the rest of the pack.

 

[Over the volcano]

Honest question - does anyone remember any team who drafted 1/2 a starting defense in one year?

 

[McGarnagle]

Honest question - does anyone remember any team who drafted 1/2 a starting defense in one year?

Doughty-Voynov in 2008

Did Borowiecki ever pair with Karlsson? The Sens got them both in 08 too

 

[Over the volcano]

Doughty-Voynov in 2008

Did Borowiecki ever pair with Karlsson? The Sens got them both in 08 too

I’m thinking 3 (1/2 the starting six like it looks Carlo Lauzon zboril might be on Thursday night)

 

[McGarnagle]

I’m thinking 3 (1/2 the starting six like it looks Carlo Lauzon zboril might be on Thursday night)

Ah, I misread the question. I saw 1/2 as a one and a two, rather than one half.

Looks like the Blue Jackets got Werenski, Gavrikov, and Nutivaara all in 2015 too.

 

[MattFromFranklin]

Honest question - does anyone remember any team who drafted 1/2 a starting defense in one year?

Nashville drafted Suter, Weber, and Kevin Klein in 2003.

 

[Tbaybruin]

Konecny literally has the same ppg as Debrusk up to this point, not sure why he's included with Barzal and Connor.

This draft went from possibly the best draft we've ever had to just a very good draft.

Complaining about it is like having $995k and being upset that you aren't a millionaire.

Well I see at as having $995,000. To having 5 million

 

[Tbaybruin]

2015 draft issues will haunt this team for another 5 years or so. So much potential to be so much better for so much longer

So true. We gave up good players for picks. If we draft well in the first round we are contenders for 6-10 years and have at a minimum one more cup with the possibilities of more. We had the golden goose but we laid a rotten egg. Some events are critical for a team. This was our critical time. We failed, now we live with the consequences.

 

[BigBadBruins7708]

Nashville drafted Suter, Weber, and Kevin Klein in 2003.

Habs drafted Subban, McDonagh and Yannick Weber in 07

 

[Lobster57]

Honest question - does anyone remember any team who drafted 1/2 a starting defense in one year?

just because they may have drafted 3 guys who start on the blueline doesn't mean they couldn't have also drafted 2 top 6 forwards in the same draft

 

[Over the volcano]

Nashville drafted Suter, Weber, and Kevin Klein in 2003.

Nice! Thank you


Funny that was another year Boston flubbed their first round but made out alright in the second

 

[Sevendust]

I could tell you, but then I'd have to stay off the internet

Haha you probably would tell me that they had deal in place to move up but didnt want to pay the price because they thought Senyshyn is the real deal if so this place would burst into flames