How’s the first round working out for us now? Why are people in denial? As it stands now that first round was horrible. People are complaining about this team as it stands. The biggest reason is lack of secondary high end talent. Well 2015 first round takes care of that.
Part 2- 2015 Draft - or ALL prior draft discussion here
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Just popping in here to say this is still my favorite thread on HFB. I hope it lives on for 30 more pages and then some.
MattFromFranklin
Fire Sweeney and Neely
But...but...we have an inconsistent winger who isn't even best suited for the top 6 and a D-man who has played in less than 10 career games who might be a 3rd pairing guy. It was a haul, I tell ya! A haul! It doesn't matter that at forward we passed on 2 slam-dunk studs who fell to us in favor of 2 big reaches, and that we picked a D whose teammate in the QMJHL turned into an all-star and averages 40 points per year.
Blowfish
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Round 1 NHL Totals RoundNum.Drafted ByPlayerPosDrafted FromGPGAPtsPIMLast Season
1 13 Boston Jakub Zboril D Saint John Sea Dogs [QMJHL] 5 0 0 0 0 2020-21
1 14 Boston Jake DeBrusk L Swift Current Broncos [WHL] 206 62 58 120 51 2020-21
1 15 Boston Zachary Senyshyn R Soo Greyhounds [OHL] 6 1 2 3 0 2019-20
1 16 NY Islanders Mathew Barzal C Seattle Thunderbirds [WHL] 237 60 148 208 134 2020-21
1 17 Winnipeg Kyle Connor L Youngstown Phantoms [USHL] 252 108 98 206 74 2020-21
1 18 Ottawa Thomas Chabot D Saint John Sea Dogs [QMJHL] 208 30 91 121 94 2020-21
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Tonysil
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Round 1 NHL Totals RoundNum.Drafted ByPlayerPosDrafted FromGPGAPtsPIMLast Season
1 13 Boston Jakub Zboril D Saint John Sea Dogs [QMJHL] 5 0 0 0 0 2020-21
1 14 Boston Jake DeBrusk L Swift Current Broncos [WHL] 206 62 58 120 51 2020-21
1 15 Boston Zachary Senyshyn R Soo Greyhounds [OHL] 6 1 2 3 0 2019-20
1 16 NY Islanders Mathew Barzal C Seattle Thunderbirds [WHL] 237 60 148 208 134 2020-21
1 17 Winnipeg Kyle Connor L Youngstown Phantoms [USHL] 252 108 98 206 74 2020-21
1 18 Ottawa Thomas Chabot D Saint John Sea Dogs [QMJHL] 208 30 91 121 94 2020-21
I think you want to highlight points rather than penalty minutes.
Blowfish
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Are you sure you want to be logical in this tread? We did have a good second round?!
Instead of commiserating about hypotheticals and could have beens, how about changing the narrative for yourselves? Three out of the top four defensman currently on the Bruins came from this draft and are helping the Bruins win games right now. I don't think there's currently another team in the league that can say half their starting D core came from one draft and compromise 75 percent of their top 4.
Lobster57
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Why not both? It's entirely possible to be happy with picking up Carlo, J. Lau and Zboril and at the same time, pissed they didn't get at least one of Barzal or Connor, let alone both.
What we got is good. What we *should have* gotten would have been AMAZING
DominicT
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After tonight, I may have to stay off Twitter forever. That was great.
The don godfather
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MattFromFranklin
Fire Sweeney and Neely
Nope. Not when the idiocy displayed that weekend by Sweeney, Neely, and the scouting staff has resulted in a shrinking window for this core and likely cost us a cup in 2019. It will also be the reason why Sweeney (and hopefully Neely) will get canned within the next 2-3 years, as this team will likely get slightly worse each and every year. It all started with the horrendous Hamilton trade, which Sweeney rushed. Sweeney turned down higher 1st rounders than 15th overall according to James Mirtle of the Athletic, and Elliotte Friedman wrote in his blog at the time that we were very close to a deal with Colorado. They had the 10th pick and took Mikko Rantanen, but might not have wanted to include their 2nd rounders in the package. On "Behind The B," Sweeney was obsessed with getting 2nd round picks for Hamilton. Friedman also wrote that because Sweeney rushed the Hamilton trade, there were other GM's who weren't even aware that he was on the trading block, and thus couldn't make any offers.
Now, let's get to the wonderful performance in the 1st round of the draft. Sweeney thought he had a deal lined up to package at least 2 of the picks to move up and take one of the 3 bluechip D prospects, but he and his staff didn't prepare in the scenario where the deal would fall through. When the deal fell through, they panicked and made 2 picks (Debrusk and Senyshyn) that they were targeting with their later selections (37 and 45). The consensus according to scouts, analysts, GM's, and scouting services at the time was that this was one of the deepest drafts in recent memory (possibly the best since 2003). There was also a very sizeable gap between the top 13 and everyone else, with Konecny being viewed by most services on average as the next guy who barely missed that cut. Connor and Barzal were part of that consensus top 13, and we got lucky that they both fell to us and Dallas went off the board at pick 12. They were viewed as solid, top-end prospects who projected as 1st line players. We passed on them 3 times, twice when we opted for reaches of forwards who were nowhere near the caliber of players of Connor and Barzal back in 2015, and are nowhere near the caliber of players that they are now. DeBrusk was viewed as a late 1st rounder, with an average ranking of 26. Senyshyn was viewed as a mid 2nd rounder with an average ranking of 40-45. Senyshyn was recently put on waivers and although DeBrusk is a "hit," he was nowhere near the BPA and nowhere near the quality of player that Barzal and Connor were then and are now, and thus that selection was a badly mismanaged pick. You DO NOT take reaches in the 1st round of deep drafts. You do that in drafts that aren't deep when you have a big list of players with very little separation like they did with Frederic in 2016. Zboril and Chabot were ranked roughly in the same spot when averaging the lists, and although we don't know for certain how Zboril will turn out, at the time it was a blown evaluation between the two of them by the Bruins. That happens, but Zboril wasn't a reach. He was projected to go as early as 14 and as late as 20.
We're now on a 4th straight year of Sweeney being unable to provide a complete 2nd line, when that all should have been taken care of in that 1st round with 2 of Barzal, Connor, and Konecny. The team's window is closing (if not already closed) thanks in large part to that draft weekend. And there's a good chance that draft weekend cost us the 2019 cup, as we would've had more scoring options to take the load off of the 1st line.
Jean_Jacket41
Neely = HOF
DeBrusk
Carlo
Lauzon
Zboril
Not that bad for the worst draft in humanity.
Carlo
Lauzon
Zboril
Not that bad for the worst draft in humanity.
LouJersey
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What’s worse? The people that wrote JZ off or the ones taking victory laps for a good six games?
MattFromFranklin
Fire Sweeney and Neely
The 2nd round was quite good. Hell, I think JFK can still be an NHL player and feel that he just got tired of being buried at the Center position here. The first round was an abomination. DeBrusk, although a "hit," was nowhere near the BPA, let alone nowhere near the quality of players that Barzal and Connor were then and are now. You don't go off the board in the first half of a generational 1st round when there are top-tier prospects on the board who have panned out to be great players. That was a mismanaged pick, as was the Senyshyn pick. It's not Jake's fault. He's a quality (albeit very streaky) player, but he never should have been with this organization at #14 (or any of our other 1st round picks). Not picking Barzal and Connor was and is an epic failure on behalf of Sweeney, Neely, and the morons in the scouting department. In fact, it's inexcusable. Ending up with a 2nd-3rd line tweener, a 3rd pairing D (as of right now, 6 years later), and a guy you placed on waivers, when you were picking in the top half of a generational draft is inexcusable. This draft will likely be one of the main reasons why Sweeney gets canned soon.
Mr. Make-Believe
The happy genius of my household
I don’t know why we feel the need to keep beating this dead horse.
I also don’t know why it’s so difficult to admit this draft sucked.
I also don’t know why it’s so difficult to admit this draft sucked.
First time hearing any of this! No way!
Because saying the draft “sucked” is wrong, IMO. It’s not about admitting whether or not it could have been better, because we all know it could have been. But this draft didn’t suck.
It yielded a second-line forward in DeBrusk, a second-pair defender in Carlo, arguably the AHL’s top goalie last year, their current top-pair defenseman in Lauzon and also Jakub Zboril, who’s shown he’s a top-six defender in the NHL with upside.
I think it’s fair to say this draft was good.
I think it’s fair to say this draft could have been way, way better.
The problem is that some fans are so bitter, scorned and unhappy, whether it’s in their own lives or regarding their sports teams, that they constantly bring this up and complain about it constantly. Not saying you, since clearly you get it, but jeez, get over it and start enjoying the players they have people. They’re solid players that are here right now, playing well for the team you root for.
Stop complaining about something that happened half a decade ago and enjoy the team you absolute weirdos lmao.
bb_fan
Registered User
You cant give out accolades for the hits and ignore the misses.
We are all different people on this board. Some take things in life harder then others. I can’t judge another persons life,I have no idea what they have been through. Why do people come to this thread to beat down on people who are unhappy with the 2015 draft. I personally don’t go to threads where I know I have nothing good to say. Sometimes it’s nice to just bi**h and complain and let out a little steam. I for one appreciate other Bruin fans that believe the 2015 draft set us back a ton and probably cost us a cup or two. Buy hey that’s my belief.
WestCoastBruinsFan
Registered User
Absolutely you can give accolades for the hits despite the misses. If Lauzon can stay healthy and all three defenders from that draft continues to improve, the Bruins could be a tough out for a few years.
DominicT
Registered User
Yes. It has been almost 6 years.
Sadly, what I get out of all this is that, after almost 6 years of complaining there are still so many people that can't spell "Louzon" "Senshyn" "Zoboril"
Sadly, what I get out of all this is that, after almost 6 years of complaining there are still so many people that can't spell "Louzon" "Senshyn" "Zoboril"
