AngryMilkcrates
End of an Era
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Part 2- 2015 Draft - or ALL prior draft discussion here
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Sorry, but if grown adults can’t control their anger, emotions and frustrations, feeling the need to “let off some steam” on an online message board about young men being drafted by a hockey team, then they should probably seek outside remedies instead.
Let’s not paint those who do this as poor victims of the scenario, by the way. There are moderator warnings constantly, quite literally in just about every single thread on this board. People in the very thread do in fact go into other threads to b*tch about this draft. To try and get others to believe their POV by using terms such as “period” in the arguments.
I get we’re all going through stuff in our lives and you’re right— you never know what others are going though. But remind me, how does taking out your anger, frustration and issues on 23-year-old hockey players help anything? This thread says “discussion” not “vent session.”
There really isn’t much discussion in here, though. Just anger, what-if scenarios and snide remarks. So again, if you’re going on a message board as a grown man to b*tch and moan about a draft, go for a walk or something and don’t cry when others are sick of the nonsense.
I'm happy with how Brendon Karlo and Jack DaBrust have turned out.
Lobster57
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are you the arbiter of what is "bitching" and what is "criticism"? Because there is clearly a fair bit to be critical of in the 2015 draft. And to those clamoring to tell me that it was 6 years ago and i should move on; this is a discussion board, nothing anyone says here affects the team at all or the result of any games, it's all just something to do to kill a bit of time. If you don't think the conversation in this thread is worthwhile, there's an EXTREMELY easy option available to you
Hi as I stated before, I enjoy this thread. I’ll happily discuss the 2015 draft with anyone, so if you have some thoughts or criticism feel free to share!
Over the volcano
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Anybody else read this thread as a “it’s been x days since the last accident at this workplace” sign?
burstnbloom
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arider1990
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It feels more like that rash that just won't go away. Every time you think it's gone it just all of a sudden appears again.
On boards like this not all of us are great with language. I think I can keep up with almost anyone via a conversation but my English sucks.
Brutal. Then why come to this thread? To bitch at people ? Ya great. I said let off steam at times. These 23 year old guys are pros. I can talk all I want about them.. I don’t slam them or blame them, never have. I blame the guys who drafted them. I don’t highjack treads I respond to guys who make comments on the 2015 draft. I just don’t get why guys come to this tread when they know what’s being said.
There’s also an extremely easy option for you and Lobster, if you so choose to utilize said feature. If not, I’ll happily engage in real discussions about this draft at anytime!
Never used it. Sure. I just don’t go real deep into things while typing. Really wish there was a form for people to talk.
You don't need to be a language expert to see that the majority of the posts in this ridiculous thread is bitching. Time to move on.
MattFromFranklin
Fire Sweeney and Neely
It's very easy to get on the players, and I've done my fair share of that over the years, including before the 2015 draft when I wasn't thrilled with the performance of certain players. I remember during the 2014-2015 season I was really hard on Lucic. I felt he was a lazy passenger who was taking up space before he had success with Spooner and Pastrnak. In some cases, like the first rounders of the 2015 draft, the blame shouldn't be placed at the feet of the players, but rather, at the feet of the people who were responsible for them being drafted to this organization.
Zboril: Yes, Zboril was teammates with Thomas Chabot, one of the league's premier offensive defensemen. That was just a blown evaluation. That happens. When looking at the more reputable draft rankings (TSN, ISS, McKeens, Red Line Report, THW, THN, etc.) it was basically a coin flip between the 2 of them when looking at their average rankings. Although not one of the 3 BPA in the majority of the rankings when our picks came up (Barzal, Connor, and Konecny all had higher averages), it was a coin flip between Zboril and Chabot as to who was the best D available. Zboril was the "Safer" pick at the time, meanwhile Chabot had a higher ceiling but was a more risky pick. Teams make decisions like that all the time.
Debrusk: Jake was a pretty big reach. He was a consensus late 1st round pick with an average ranking of 26th, and he was nowhere near the BPA. Believe me, I get frustrated with his incredibly streaky play, but he is what he is. A quality, albeit streaky player who doesn't bring much to the table when he isn't scoring. He has been a "hit" since joining the NHL. Now, was it a badly mismanaged pick? Absolutely. At the time, he was a vastly inferior player compared to Barzal, Connor, and Konecny. 6 years later, he is still inferior to those players. Jake never should have been picked with any of our picks. But, that's not Jake's fault. He didn't hold a gun to the head of Sweeney, Neely, and the scouts and demand that they pick him. If you are pissed about passing on Barzal and Connor like I am, direct your criticisms at the morons mentioned in the previous sentence who are responsible for Jake being here.
Senyshyn: Senyshyn was a MASSIVE reach. He was a consensus mid-2nd round pick, and like DeBrusk, never should have been with this organization. He was also nowhere near the BPA. This was a horrendous management of a draft pick by Sweeney, Neely, and the scouting staff. If you want to go off the board, at least do what Bill Belichick does and trade back and collect another draft pick or two, or perhaps a player. I've lost count of the number of horrible draft picks Bill has made. But quite often, he at least trades down and gets an asset while still taking the same useless bum that he would've in the original spot. On "Behind The B," Sweeney said that some team offered THREE draft picks to move up in the spot where he picked DeBrusk and Senyshyn. He turned it down. It's not Senyshyn's fault he got picked. From all accounts, he tried hard and was a good teammate. He just wasn't a very good hockey player. Rinse and repeat from the DeBrusk pick, blame the morons who are responsible for him being here.
The blame should be directed at the morons who were responsible for that catastrophe of a draft weekend. This was viewed by many as the best draft since 2003, and just 6 years later it has turned into a generational 1st round, not to mention all of the quality players selected beyond the 1st round. The morons running our team went off the board with 2 big reaches, something you should NEVER do in a very deep draft, especially when 2 studs fell to you. It's not just Sweeney, Neely, and Keith Gretzky. Dean Malkoc and John Ferguson Jr. were big advocates for these selections. How either one of them still has a job over that is beyond me. Their stupidity has all but closed our team's championship window and will result in us having to do some serious re-tooling (if not rebuilding) in 2-3 years. Ironically, this draft will likely be one of the big reasons why Sweeney (and hopefully Neely) will get canned within the next 2-3 years. I get it, people are angry and rightfully so. But don't blame the players. If it were because they lacked effort or were locker room cancers I'd agree with you. But that's not the case. A 10 year old with no hockey knowledge who was handed a draft guide minutes before our picks would've picked at least 2 of Barzal, Connor, and Konecny.
Zboril: Yes, Zboril was teammates with Thomas Chabot, one of the league's premier offensive defensemen. That was just a blown evaluation. That happens. When looking at the more reputable draft rankings (TSN, ISS, McKeens, Red Line Report, THW, THN, etc.) it was basically a coin flip between the 2 of them when looking at their average rankings. Although not one of the 3 BPA in the majority of the rankings when our picks came up (Barzal, Connor, and Konecny all had higher averages), it was a coin flip between Zboril and Chabot as to who was the best D available. Zboril was the "Safer" pick at the time, meanwhile Chabot had a higher ceiling but was a more risky pick. Teams make decisions like that all the time.
Debrusk: Jake was a pretty big reach. He was a consensus late 1st round pick with an average ranking of 26th, and he was nowhere near the BPA. Believe me, I get frustrated with his incredibly streaky play, but he is what he is. A quality, albeit streaky player who doesn't bring much to the table when he isn't scoring. He has been a "hit" since joining the NHL. Now, was it a badly mismanaged pick? Absolutely. At the time, he was a vastly inferior player compared to Barzal, Connor, and Konecny. 6 years later, he is still inferior to those players. Jake never should have been picked with any of our picks. But, that's not Jake's fault. He didn't hold a gun to the head of Sweeney, Neely, and the scouts and demand that they pick him. If you are pissed about passing on Barzal and Connor like I am, direct your criticisms at the morons mentioned in the previous sentence who are responsible for Jake being here.
Senyshyn: Senyshyn was a MASSIVE reach. He was a consensus mid-2nd round pick, and like DeBrusk, never should have been with this organization. He was also nowhere near the BPA. This was a horrendous management of a draft pick by Sweeney, Neely, and the scouting staff. If you want to go off the board, at least do what Bill Belichick does and trade back and collect another draft pick or two, or perhaps a player. I've lost count of the number of horrible draft picks Bill has made. But quite often, he at least trades down and gets an asset while still taking the same useless bum that he would've in the original spot. On "Behind The B," Sweeney said that some team offered THREE draft picks to move up in the spot where he picked DeBrusk and Senyshyn. He turned it down. It's not Senyshyn's fault he got picked. From all accounts, he tried hard and was a good teammate. He just wasn't a very good hockey player. Rinse and repeat from the DeBrusk pick, blame the morons who are responsible for him being here.
The blame should be directed at the morons who were responsible for that catastrophe of a draft weekend. This was viewed by many as the best draft since 2003, and just 6 years later it has turned into a generational 1st round, not to mention all of the quality players selected beyond the 1st round. The morons running our team went off the board with 2 big reaches, something you should NEVER do in a very deep draft, especially when 2 studs fell to you. It's not just Sweeney, Neely, and Keith Gretzky. Dean Malkoc and John Ferguson Jr. were big advocates for these selections. How either one of them still has a job over that is beyond me. Their stupidity has all but closed our team's championship window and will result in us having to do some serious re-tooling (if not rebuilding) in 2-3 years. Ironically, this draft will likely be one of the big reasons why Sweeney (and hopefully Neely) will get canned within the next 2-3 years. I get it, people are angry and rightfully so. But don't blame the players. If it were because they lacked effort or were locker room cancers I'd agree with you. But that's not the case. A 10 year old with no hockey knowledge who was handed a draft guide minutes before our picks would've picked at least 2 of Barzal, Connor, and Konecny.
The don godfather
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Now that zboril is the real deal. Donny revamped that D in that draft by getting 3 major super pieces playing some tough minutes and contributing scoring as well. Carlo lauzon and now zboril make us one of the best young dcore in the league. Donny had a nice draft.
Zboril has a lot to learn. He skates so well but he has to learn where to put the puck when he has it at the point. Way to many blocked shots. I hope he continues to improve.
Jean_Jacket41
Neely = HOF
With all these great young guys stepping in, I checked and in the past 10 drafts, Bruins had 10 first round pick:
2011- Hamilton 9th
2012- Subban 24th
2014- Pasta 25th
2015- Zboril 13th
2015- DeBrusk 14th
2015- Senyshyn 15th
2016- McAvoy 14th
2016- Frederic 29th
2017- UV 18th
2019- Beecher 30th
Only 2 not in NHL. One a reach that didn’t pan out (Senyshyn). The other still in college (Beecher).
Great hit avg. Especially with only one top-10 pick.
Playing right now on the team:
Best goal scoring RW in the game.
Top #1D
20 goals scoring middle 6 W
Bottom lines physical F with a great shot
2 great evolving D
Enjoy Bruins fans.
2011- Hamilton 9th
2012- Subban 24th
2014- Pasta 25th
2015- Zboril 13th
2015- DeBrusk 14th
2015- Senyshyn 15th
2016- McAvoy 14th
2016- Frederic 29th
2017- UV 18th
2019- Beecher 30th
Only 2 not in NHL. One a reach that didn’t pan out (Senyshyn). The other still in college (Beecher).
Great hit avg. Especially with only one top-10 pick.
Playing right now on the team:
Best goal scoring RW in the game.
Top #1D
20 goals scoring middle 6 W
Bottom lines physical F with a great shot
2 great evolving D
Enjoy Bruins fans.
MattFromFranklin
Fire Sweeney and Neely
I think the only issue that most fans, including myself, have are 2 picks which took place in the same draft (DeBrusk and Senyshyn). The reason being that both of them were reaches and they were picked over 2 forwards who were significantly better players then and are still significantly better players 6 years later. The 2015 draft was billed by many as one of the best drafts in recent memory, and the thing that you should never do in a deep draft is reach with a 1st round pick, and if you do, you better darn well pick a guy who is comparable to the player(s) you passed on. Unfortunately, that wasn't the case with both of our selections. DeBrusk was picked about 8-10 spots too high and Senyshyn was picked 20-30 spots too high. The end results was 1 bust (as of now) and 1 hit (although still a badly mismanaged pick), and we passed on 2 top-tier (if not elite) forwards. No disrespect to DeBrusk and Senyshyn, but neither of them should have been selected and been with this organization. It's not their fault they were taken where they were.
At the time I wanted them to take Connor (who I wanted the most), Barzal, and Zboril. Zboril and Chabot were basically ranked in the same spot on average so it was a coin flip, and not only was Zboril seen as the safer prospect but most Sea Dogs fans felt he was a slightly better player.
I wasn't the biggest fan of the Frederic selection, but I understand what they did because it was a weak draft. In weak drafts, you try and swing for the fences. I just didn't like his upside, and Gretzky basically admitted he might be a 4th line player. The guy that I wanted them to take was DeBrincat. He wasn't the highest rated guy available (I believe there were 3-4 higher ranked guys on McKenzie's list), but I wanted them to gamble on him, despite his size, because he had an elite shot and could score.
The reason why many people, including myself, bring up the 2015 1st round was because they intentionally passed on 2 forwards who are vastly superior - both at the time and now - to the forwards they selected, and neither of the 2 they passed on have consistency issues. We believe that we might have won the cup in 2019 had we selected Barzal and Connor, as we'd have added 2 top-tier offensive players to a team that has had 2nd line issues for the last 5-6 years and been able to take the load off of the 1st line.
DominicT
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MattFromFranklin
Fire Sweeney and Neely
Insiders said he would've been the favorite to go 3rd overall if he qualified for the 2015 draft. I was listening to Elliotte Friedman on Spittin Shiclets and he said that if Matthews got to July 1st when his rookie deal was up that Arizona would've offer-sheeted him the max.
LouJersey
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my picks
2011- Hamilton 9th--- Dougie
2012- Subban 24th---- matt Finn
2014- Pasta 25th----Pasta
2015- Zboril 13th----Barzal
2015- DeBrusk 14th----Connor
2015- Senyshyn 15th---Zboril
2016- McAvoy 14th----Chychrun
2016- Frederic 29th----Cam Morrison
2017- UV 18th----Vesalainen
2019- Beecher 30th-----Kaliyev
rocketdan9
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My picks
2014- Pasta 25th----Pasta
2015- Zboril 13th----Barzal
2015- DeBrusk 14th----Connor
2015- Senyshyn 15th---Chabot
2016- McAvoy 14th----McAvoy
2016- Frederic 29th----Debrincat
2017- UV 18th----trade
2019- Beecher 30th-----Beecher
If this happened
Marchand Bergeron Pasta
Connor Barzal DeBrincat
Chabot McAvoy
Grz Carlo
MattFromFranklin
Fire Sweeney and Neely
I wanted DeBrincat as well, and I said so in the 2016 draft thread, but I give them somewhat of a pass for not taking him. 2016 was not a great draft, and typically in drafts that aren't very deep it's ok to try and find a diamond in the rough if there is a big group of players with little to no separation. 2015, however, was a complete failure at forward in the 1st round. In the 2nd round, Sweeney did quite well. His performance in the first round is exhibit A of why he should not be allowed to oversee a rebuild. Ditto with Neely. We are never going to have 3 cracks right in the middle of an incredible first round, with multiple studs falling to us, ever again.
When (not if) Sweeney gets canned between now and the summer of 2022, it will be ironic that not taking Barzal and Connor, the obvious picks at the time, will have cost him his job. All he had to do was tell Keith Gretzky and Dean Malkoc (who is somehow still employed) to put down the drugs and overrule them. Maybe he shouldn't have gotten super sensitive about Barzal saying "don't and we'll see how it works out", as Friedman alluded to in a podcast a few years ago. I mean, he loves Brad Marchand and he is the furthest thing from a humble choir boy. He probably told teams he'd be a Hall of Famer in his draft interviews.
It truly is amazing to watch the level of stupidity displayed by Sweeney and his staff in this video.
