Parents who force a vegan diet on to their children would face prison under a new law

[Fugu]

No, you really don't. I have been a vegetarian my whole life (i.e. haven't had meat/seafood even once in my life), and I think I've turned out okay.

There's a rather wide gap between vegetarianism and veganism. It's not just about the meat.

 

[Chris Hagen*]

From what I've read/heard on the topic, taking B12 as a supplement is often suggested for anyone on a vegan diet.

There's also a condition that can develop in some people - forget it's name now - but it basically means that person cannot remain on a vegan diet, due to a missing enzyme. This is a bit more serious, hence why they recommend that a child be followed by a doctor familiar with the issues.

The bigger issue may simply be that we just don't have all the information available readily. Searching the internet isn't really the way to do it, and "food specialists" often seem to have their own mantra vs relying on scientific data. I find it appalling that they would punish these parents instead of making sure they did get the information they needed.

Keep in mind that everyone supplements B12. It's just you either take it directly or they feed it to the animals you eat.

 

[Fugu]

Keep in mind that everyone supplements B12. It's just you either take it directly or they feed it to the animals you eat.

Yes, and per NIH:

"Food
Vitamin B12 is naturally found in animal products, including fish, meat, poultry, eggs, milk, and milk products. Vitamin B12 is generally not present in plant foods, but fortified breakfast cereals are a readily available source of vitamin B12 with high bioavailability for vegetarians [5,13-15]. Some nutritional yeast products also contain vitamin B12. Fortified foods vary in formulation, so it is important to read product labels to determine which added nutrients they contain."


That's why I pointed out the difference between vegetarianism and veganism. You can thrive on both, or add meat, etc, but you have to make sure you're getting all the necessary nutrients.

 

[Shrimper]

Yes, and per NIH:

"Food
Vitamin B12 is naturally found in animal products, including fish, meat, poultry, eggs, milk, and milk products. Vitamin B12 is generally not present in plant foods, but fortified breakfast cereals are a readily available source of vitamin B12 with high bioavailability for vegetarians [5,13-15]. Some nutritional yeast products also contain vitamin B12. Fortified foods vary in formulation, so it is important to read product labels to determine which added nutrients they contain."


That's why I pointed out the difference between vegetarianism and veganism. You can thrive on both, or add meat, etc, but you have to make sure you're getting all the necessary nutrients.

One thing that annoy me is people who say they're vegetarians but eat fish...

 

[Fugu]

One thing that annoy me is people who say they're vegetarians but eat fish...

There are people who don't seem to think that fish count as 'animals.'

They're called pescatarians, as you probably know. During a recent trip to Mexico, we had dinner at a really awesome place, top star rating. The guy who led us to the restaurant area honestly didn't know that you could survive on a vegetarian diet-- not even vegan. He was being honest and asked a lot of questions. (My spouse is a vegetarian, son is a vegan, daughter is vegatarian. I'm an omnivore.)

So, yes, you do get the entire range.

 

[Chris Hagen*]

Yes, and per NIH:

"Food
Vitamin B12 is naturally found in animal products, including fish, meat, poultry, eggs, milk, and milk products. Vitamin B12 is generally not present in plant foods, but fortified breakfast cereals are a readily available source of vitamin B12 with high bioavailability for vegetarians [5,13-15]. Some nutritional yeast products also contain vitamin B12. Fortified foods vary in formulation, so it is important to read product labels to determine which added nutrients they contain."


That's why I pointed out the difference between vegetarianism and veganism. You can thrive on both, or add meat, etc, but you have to make sure you're getting all the necessary nutrients.

B12 is naturally found in animal products in very small amounts. The same way it would be if I picked a carrot from my own garden and rinsed it off and ate it. Livestock is also supplemented with B12. The fact that we're even discussing B12 is ridiculous and goes to show the effectiveness of the animal agriculture industry in ridiculing vegans to protect their own interests. Yes, I have to supplement B12. And so do you, you just get a farmer to do it and then the farmer points at the vegans and says "hey look it's not natural because they have to take a supplement!"

 

[Chris Hagen*]

(My spouse is a vegetarian, son is a vegan, daughter is vegatarian. I'm an omnivore.)

Such a progressive family.. except you. When are you going to join the progress train?

 

[Siamese Dream]

There are people who don't seem to think that fish count as 'animals.'

That's not always the case with pescatarians

I went out with a girl who was one and her reasoning was that she doesn't eat other meats because you don't know what's really in it. This was after the horse meat scandal in Europe, and she was one of those "horsey" girls. Products that were advertised as beef actually contained horse meat in them.

 

[S A W F T*]

Can I be the flower girl at TJ and @Fugu's wedding?

 

[Fugu]

Can I be the flower girl at TJ and @Fugu's wedding?

You're a .... girl?


No more weddings for me. Plus, the current arrangement is great. Nice house, vacations, and so and so forth.

Chris needs someone who's not his mom's age.

 

[yubbers]

I'm into cougs

 

[Fugu]

I'm into cougs

I'm probably a sabre tooth tiger in that case.

 

[yubbers]

I'm the lounge manther

 

[S A W F T*]

You're a .... girl?


No more weddings for me. Plus, the current arrangement is great. Nice house, vacations, and so and so forth.

Chris needs someone who's not his mom's age.

Don't tell me how to identify!!!!

I agree. TJ needs a poor hipster woman that can protest and smoke lettuce cigarettes with him while weeping for humanity together. Not a classy, well educated woman like yourself.

 

[Guerzy]

This thread has turned inappropriate therefore i am reporting it

 

[yubbers]

U just jelly

Fugu gonna light up my PM now

 

[S A W F T*]

This thread has turned inappropriate therefore i am reporting it

Can u even spell Marko Dano?

 

[Guerzy]

Can u even spell Marko Dano?

Marko Dano's Mom

 

[S A W F T*]

Marko Dano's Mom

Thats Marko Dano and Fugu... creep!

 

[Guerzy]

Thats Marko Dano and Fugu... creep!

stop

 

[S A W F T*]

stop

 

[SugarSherm]

I tried dog once. It wasn't all that bad honestly.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Came in here to make a serious comment, now I'm too entertained to remember what it was

 

[Novak Djokovic]

There's a rather wide gap between vegetarianism and veganism. It's not just about the meat.

Yeah, of course. I just wanted to point out that it's completely fine to be on a non-meat diet. On an unrelated note, I actually saw a consult for patient with Vitamin B12 deficiency last month. It isn't always first on our differential diagnosis when someone presents with irritability, poor reflexes, etc. but the B12 levels came back really, really low. Thankfully, it's easily fixable via IM injection or even a really high oral dose (1 mg).

 

[S A W F T*]

Why don't we ban all you British clowns? Y'all should vote to exit HFBoards too. Or maybe we can vote to kick you out?

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