Post-Game Talk: Parental guidance advised

[Drivesaitl]

Some won't like this, but I like what Bowman has done (with less) than JJ did. Bringing Janmark, Brown and Perry back was fine, and while Arvidsson has been solid with healthy, they clearly grabbed Skinner based on his name and calling-card than any consideration for where he actually fits on the team.

IMO if they didn't have what Stan did with nibbling around the edges (Emberson, Podz, and Kapanen all solid pickups with 0 cap and also getting rid of anchor Ceci), they might not be in a playoff spot

Not different from what I've been saying. I especially like the Emberson and Kapanen grabs. Those are guys within age where they can actually play and dig in. I'm so not on board with having the fossils back another season.

Skinner was a ridiculous add. No thought on what the player would be here at all. I guess it was assumed he'd suddenly bring a competitive attitude despite never having had that. In fairness Skinner is a wrecked player but was for a longtime. Just wasn't gonna fit here with 200ft expectation.

Real worried Henrique is now hitting a wall too. That happens and our bottomsix situation is dire.

 

[TheNumber4]

the team was 15-3-1 prior to Xmas, the best record in that time-frame...and their analytics are some of the best in the league

2 poor games and now the sky is falling LMAO

Yeh definitely need to step back from the ledge here.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Brown just couldn’t score but played a strong defensive game. Skinner is the worse player on this team. He is Caggiula level.

Brown was the worst player on the ice just yesterday. His ownzone play was shocking. if it means being a pylon letting Byfield and others walk right out in front wherever they like.

Brown is most noticeable on cherry giveaways against poor PP's that can barely possess the puck. Those are most of his scoring chances in game situations where bad opponents are not even thinking D.

"Brown just couldn't score" could end up on a tombstone. just saying. f*** I can't stand him.

 

[Shanahanigans]

Need 2-3 top 6 wingers, a goalie and a. RHD.
Do something.

Same shopping list as the last 4 years lmao

 

[tardigrade81]

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This scares me

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

Love how “old and slow” got immediately trotted out by the usual suspects the moment we had a bad game.

yep and in our last 3 loses (ANA, LA, FLA) we've held leads going into the 3rd or late 2nd periods, only to blow it in the 3rd
that's a lack of attention to detail IMO

 

[MoontoScott]

Its false economy. We're paying this guy on average 2.5M/ year to have this fool here being old and slow and doing next to nothing. On the same org that decided it couldn't pay speed guys like Holloway, McLeod, Foegele. Its a problem, a real problem.

Contending teams don't have half a dozen horseshit players that shouldn't even be here in 2024.

Its salt in the wound to me I have to watch done players like Brown, Ryan, Perry pretend they still have NHL fight in them. Guys just want some more NHL cheques for retirement.

Perry has been ok. He contributes more than some other guys on the roster.

Clearly the Brown bonus decision that was made last year was a mistake.

I was referring to Brown's salary this year compared to his production. Compare that to J. Skinner, Ryan and (now) Henrique. By comparison he has been decent value.

 

[belair]

Trap game. Didn't watch, but not surprised in the least.

 

[Oilhawks]

Not different from what I've been saying. I especially like the Emberson and Kapanen grabs. Those are guys within age where they can actually play and dig in. I'm so not on board with having the fossils back another season.

Skinner was a ridiculous add. No thought on what the player would be here at all. I guess it was assumed he'd suddenly bring a competitive attitude despite never having had that. In fairness Skinner is a wrecked player but was for a longtime. Just wasn't gonna fit here with 200ft expectation.

Real worried Henrique is now hitting a wall too. That happens and our bottomsix situation is dire.

Really only okay with Janmark, Brown and Perry myself of the 'old' crew. Henrique was a no-brainer at his price point so can't fault that, and I think he has more to give still

I think Skinner could be an excellent 2nd line possession driving player on the right team. People were worried that Hyman would be too much of a puck hog, but his play style is more adaptable to avoid that and actually be able to force the issue when in close due to size and strength, hand eye coordination etc. And his dogged work ethic pushes him over the top. I liked Eberle but Skinner feels like Eberle 2.0 and Eberle did not fit in with this group

I think Henrique should honestly be given some time on the wing in the top 6 (maybe with McDavid?). One thing I don't like about Knob as much is he feels too 'risk adverse' in that sense, and is more traditional in 'rewarding' ice time to players. I understand the sentiment but don't think it leads to the best use of the players

 

[Drivesaitl]

My former boss texted me saying they played like shit and deserved the loss, thought I’d check the board to see other’s thoughts. The bolded raises the question of what is their record on these “mom” trips anyways? Seems like every year they get their dick holes smashed in on these trips.

Moms and Corey Perry being around is just a bad idea but I've made that joke before. Really the team looked hungover and like it had spend a weekend partying in both of these games.

That said most of the team spent Christmas locally here in winter, then you get a number of days in California in the sun, beach, I can imagine it can be harder to focus on hockey. Most of the club treating this as a vacay.

 

[TheNumber4]

Perry has been ok. He contributes more than some other guys on the roster.

Clearly the Brown bonus decision that was made last year was a mistake.

I was referring to Brown's salary this year compared to his production. Compare that to J. Skinner, Ryan and (now) Henrique. By comparison he has been decent value.

Brown at $1M isn’t even close to being one of our issues. And if he brings anything close to what he did last year in the playoffs we are laughing. Shortie goals are amongst the biggest game changers you can score in this game.

 

[GMofOilers]

BS from the troll . Without Pickard, the Ducks probably score about 7 or 8.

Yeah ur prob right with not my fault skinner in net they prob get 7

 

[Stoneman89]

Trap game. Didn't watch, but not surprised in the least.

It certainly shouldn't have been a trap game, considering they gassed one the day before. You'd think they would be motivated to not lose 2 in a row.

Brown at $1M isn’t even close to being one of our issues. And if he brings anything close to what he did last year in the playoffs we are laughing. Shortie goals are amongst the biggest game changers you can score in this game.

Pretty sure this is the year that Brown got his 3 million bonus, after qualifying for it last year.

 

[Shanahanigans]

The only way to judge the Oilers is their performance with 97 and 29 off the ice. In the past, management did not care to shore up this teams depth and we’d get killed if those guys didn’t carry us. The last 3 years there was major improvement in those areas , especially last year with regular contributions from guys like Mcleod, Foegele, Holloway, etc. We’re back to the depth issues of the 2016-2021 Oilers/ if Mcdrai/Hyman aren’t scoring , we don’t have a chance. I think many people think this is last years team but we’ve lost a third of the roster, got older, slower , less physical.

This is not an overreaction to this weekends losses, but something I’ve felt all season. This team , although positionally improved, has bled away nearly all its depth in exchange for old, past their primes vets who want to ride 97 and 29 to a cup. I don’t like how this team is built right now, especially looking at a playoff series against Vegas or similar top teams.

 

[TheNumber4]

It certainly shouldn't have been a trap game, considering they gassed one the day before. You'd think they would be motivated to not lose 2 in a row.


Pretty sure this is the year that Brown got his 3 million bonus, after qualifying for it last year.

It is. But that sunk cost is irrelevent at this point. We asked ourselves if we want Brown at $1M this year or not. We said, yes, and that was a good decision.

 

[Oilhawks]

Brown at $1M isn’t even close to being one of our issues. And if he brings anything close to what he did last year in the playoffs we are laughing. Shortie goals are amongst the biggest game changers you can score in this game.

Yeah, Brown has been fine, no brainer to re-sign given how he came on last year and in the playoffs and since he was already technically on the team, cap-wise.

Much bigger issues than bringing Brown back at $1M

 

[Drivesaitl]

Perry has been ok. He contributes more than some other guys on the roster.

Clearly the Brown bonus decision that was made last year was a mistake.

I was referring to Brown's salary this year compared to his production. Compare that to J. Skinner, Ryan and (now) Henrique. By comparison he has been decent value.

Perry barely gets minutes, can barely play 10mins/night, isn't on any special units, doesn't serve any purpose but scoring. overall he's a liability on ice. Perry is averaging only 11mins a night and thats usually playing a few shifts that are horrible. He's getting caved regularly be weakest opposition you can give him. He's turning 40 this season and looks like it. But this being an org that brought Ryan back again.

You can't look at it piecemeal. Each player on a good club needs to have a role and not just be another empty slot. Hockey lineups are too slim to have that. The players you dress have to be able to play, and with this system they have to be able to adhere to it. Perry is terrible at 200ft play now.

 

[TheNumber4]

Yeah, Brown has been fine, no brainer to re-sign given how he came on last year and in the playoffs and since he was already technically on the team, cap-wise.

Much bigger issues than bringing Brown back at $1M

Yeh I mean it could have friggin Sam Carrick at that price. At $1M, Brown is more than covering that bet.

 

[oilers4life5]

We need energy players in our bottom 6 like Kostin. Bring in a couple. Dump the old and slow.

 

[Dan Kelly]

Same shopping list as the last 4 years lmao

It almost seems that no matter who we add in the bottom 2 lines for support scoring they never seem to be all that productive like J. Skinner, a guy who just 2 seasons ago had a 35 goal and 82 point season. Where the hell did that go?? Same with Arvidsson. Injured again I know, but 2 years ago had 26-33-59 but now just 9 points in 21 games. Henrique looks old now and can't produce like he did last year with 24 goals and 51 points. Pod and Janmark can't score goals and Kap's points are just ok.

And unless the Oilers can learn how to hold a lead, winning a cup may be out of the picture for this year !! My opinion.

 

[Drivesaitl]

Really only okay with Janmark, Brown and Perry myself of the 'old' crew. Henrique was a no-brainer at his price point so can't fault that, and I think he has more to give still

I think Skinner could be an excellent 2nd line possession driving player on the right team. People were worried that Hyman would be too much of a puck hog, but his play style is more adaptable to avoid that and actually be able to force the issue when in close due to size and strength, hand eye coordination etc. And his dogged work ethic pushes him over the top. I liked Eberle but Skinner feels like Eberle 2.0 and Eberle did not fit in with this group

I think Henrique should honestly be given some time on the wing in the top 6 (maybe with McDavid?). One thing I don't like about Knob as much is he feels too 'risk adverse' in that sense, and is more traditional in 'rewarding' ice time to players. I understand the sentiment but don't think it leads to the best use of the players

I'd have brought back Henrique and Janmark. Brown and Perry deciding to show up for some games in playoffs didn't convince me of a return. Like I said to others you can't just have several players here as bit pieces. given you can only dress so many players for a game. This convo happening in a season in which the vast majority of our forwrds have only 6 goals or less and the vast majority of these being vets that are supposed to be able to score.

No way I would have Brown or Perry period but I wouldn't have had them last year either. My selective view.

 

[Dan Kelly]

We need energy players in our bottom 6 like Kostin. Bring in a couple. Dump the old and slow.

Mathieu Olivier would be nice !!

 

[Oilhawks]

It almost seems that no matter who we add in the bottom 2 lines for support scoring they never seem to be all that productive like J. Skinner, a guy who just 2 seasons ago had a 35 goal and 82 point season. Where the hell did that go?? Same with Arvidsson. Injured again I know, but 2 years ago had 26-33-59 but now just 9 points in 21 games. Henrique looks old now and can't produce like he did last year with 24 goals and 51 points. Pod and Janmark can't score goals and Kap's points are just ok.

And unless the Oilers can learn how to hold a lead, winning a cup may be out of the picture for this year !! My opinion.

IMO a lot of this 'underperformance' of players is chronic and continual coaching pushing McDrai (and whoever they play with) ice time. It makes sense to a degree, but it makes it tougher for players to get into the game

I remember Derek Ryan commented on this after Tippett was let go for Woodcroft, and here we are again. Maybe it's not up to the coaches?

 

[McShogun99]

We need energy players in our bottom 6 like Kostin. Bring in a couple. Dump the old and slow.

I think we'll see them go that direction this offseason. Skinner, Ryan, Perry and Brown will all be gone. Maybe even one of Rico, Arvidsson or Kane.

 

[McTonyBrar]

Anyone going to say this D core is top 10 anymore? LOL

Also, get rid of Pickard and call up Rodrigue.
Trade Jeff Skinner and call up Matt Savoie