News Article: Paraphrased, If we do well Quote: "it’d be unreal to stay.”

[Trapper]

interesting take ... would you give a discount to be dumped to the 2nd pp unit while your team mates take every single cent they can ... you may be right .... gonna be interesting times ...

Nylander has always been the 3rd wheel to the favourite sons. He signed first, watched the other 2 get all they could, watch them dictate who they play with, not get yelled at and take the premium time.
Why would he stay? He can join Dubas, his brother and Cosby/Malkin.
Crosby/Malkin/Guentzel/Nylander. Dubas likes his 4 forwards and Pittsburgh is starving for new blood.

 

[freshwind]

Nylander was probably the honest 1 of the core 4 at the exit meetings
Marner is the problem .

couldn't agree more but i refrain from saying it too often so i don't get inundated with posts telling me i am an idiot and all kinds of fancy stats that say mitchy is the true leader of the leafs and worth whatever salary he is given

 

[HockeyVirus]

Didn't seem scared to me at all. In fact he seems to enjoy playing under pressure while Marner and some others pee themselves.

Have to wonder what some people watch. people have narratives and facts and evidence be damned.

Also Treliving is more of the same. Scared to make any moves. Nylander should be kept. If he would take 9M x 8 years sign that instantly and send Mitch packing. If we move Nylander, Marner now has even more leverage and will ask for the same 3-5 year deal Matthews will get for roughly same money.

Can't wait to pay 2 players who haven't won shit 30 million for only a few years of term.

 

[Nineteen67]

To properly build a team he should have been traded when they were in a position of strength during the summer they signed JT
Now they have nothing in the system, no draft picks and yet they’re forced to get rid of one of the three, as JTs contract is about to expire.

Dubas was historically bad at his job.

 

[Trapper]

Have to wonder what some people watch. people have narratives and facts and evidence be damned.

Also Treliving is more of the same. Scared to make any moves. Nylander should be kept. If he would take 9M x 8 years sign that instantly and send Mitch packing. If we move Nylander, Marner now has even more leverage and will ask for the same 3-5 year deal Matthews will get for roughly same money.

Can't wait to pay 2 players who haven't won shit 30 million for only a few years of term.

Marner will anyway IMO. Nylander or no Nylander.
I have no doubt these 2 are going to ask to be the 2 highest paid in the NHL.
No way Marner is taking less than Pastrnak.
You better be sure these 2 gave the jam to be the highest paid in the league and lead you through the playoffs.
Maybe if Nylander and Tavares are gone, you keep the rest of the team low dollar. But even McDavid and Draisaitl have trouble dragging 20 guys.

 

[HockeyVirus]

Marner will anyway IMO. Nylander or no Nylander.
I have no doubt these 2 are going to ask to be the 2 highest paid in the NHL.
No way Marner is taking less than Pastrnak.
You better be sure these 2 gave the jam to be the highest paid in the league and lead you through the playoffs.
Maybe if Nylander and Tavares are gone, you keep the rest of the team low dollar. But even McDavid and Draisaitl have trouble dragging 20 guys.

Agree. Hard to be a Leaf fan right now. Feels very similar to muskoka 5. Management is going to ride or die and the team will have to win in spite of them while hoping some random playoff they come alive and make them right the whole time.

People were cheering for a Dubas firing for change but it is clear now the mandate is from the top to run it back.

 

[horner]

Nylander was probably the honest 1 of the core 4 at the exit meetings
Marner is the problem .

And Matthew's

Until JT is gone we can't build a team.
Treliving knows like every other GM except Dubas that you can't tie up this much cap space in 4 players and win.
Especially with the same skill set.

 

[ACC1224]

Look forward to July 2, when we will have a clearer idea what's going on and we can get a break from all the crazy assumptions we see here daily.

 

[horner]

Agree. Hard to be a Leaf fan right now. Feels very similar to muskoka 5. Management is going to ride or die and the team will have to win in spite of them while hoping some random playoff they come alive and make them right the whole time.

People were cheering for a Dubas firing for change but it is clear now the mandate is from the top to run it back.

Enjoy the regular season .
Pick a different team to cheer for in the playoffs.

 

[Nineteen67]

And Matthew's

Until JT is gone we can't build a team.
Treliving knows like every other GM except Dubas that you can't tie up this much cap space in 4 players and win.
Especially with the same skill set.

Four of the same type of player. Think about it this way, how often during regular 5v5 play could you have all four on the ice at the same time? Or even three of them?

 

[ToneDog]

If you like our D and bottom 6 with Willie making $7m, you're gonna love it with Willie making $9-10M.

The cap will be $90m by then. LOL.

 

[Trapper]

The cap will be $90m by then. LOL.

And these guys will still find a way to take up half of it.

 

[Twine Tickler]

Don't have a problem with it.

Bingo.

For so long people have questioned Willy's heart and desire to win, and now that he says he will only resign if the team shows a real indication that they can compete for the Stanley Cup, and now that's an issue?

As far as I am concerned, Willy is the only one of the core 4 who has stepped up his game in the post season with consistency the last 3-4 seasons.

I have no problem with that stance

 

[Orfieus]

Honestly I won't really care if Nylander is traded as long as either Marner or Matthews is traded as well but if it is just Nylander than I'm not sure if I will watch regular season next year

Fun fact, 2022-23 was the first year in, IDK maybe 6-7yrs, where I didn't buy the online NHL package and that isn't going to change for next year

 

[notDatsyuk]

So he held out for his contract and now continues to hold back? Ship him out. Who cares what he does elsewhere if he's being a crybaby here giving us 70%.

WHy are all these dudes so wishy washy. LOL. No wonder they play wishy washy.

The scary part is that his 70% (which I don't believe) was the best on the team, except for Rielly.

 

[613Leafer]

A few comparisons for Nylander looking at big winger contracts the last two years.

Gaudreau
Contract: 7 X 9.75M (11.82% of cap at time of signing)
Points (previous three seasons): 10th most points in the league, 20th in points per game (minimum 100 games played).
Team: Finished 1st, 1st, and 2nd in team scoring in the previous three seasons.

Huberdeau
Contract: 8 X 10.5M (12.73% of cap)
Points (previous three seasons): 3rd most points in the league, 7th in points per game (min 100 games played)
Team: Finished 1st, 1st, and 1st in team scoring in the previous three seasons.

Tkachuk
Contract: 7 X 9.5M (11.52% of cap)
Points (previous three seasons): 14th most points in the league, 27th in points per game (min 100 games played)
Team: Finished 2nd, 3rd, and 1st in team scoring in the previous three seasons.

Pastrnak
Contract: 8 X 11.25M (13.64% of cap)
Points (previous three seasons): 10th most points in the league, 11th in points per game (min 100 games played) - as he signed mid season, this was based on end of this past season.
Team: Finished 1st, 2nd, and 3rd in team scoring the previous three seasons.

Fiala
Contract: 7 X 7.875M (9.55% of cap)
Points (previous three seasons): 32nd most points in the league, 40th in points per game (min 100 games played)
Team: Finished 2nd, 2nd, and 1st in team scoring the previous three seasons.

Nylander
Contract: ?????
Points (previous three seasons): 23rd most points in the league, 36th in points per game (min 100 games played)
Team: Finished 2nd, 3rd, and 4th in team scoring in the previous three seasons

So overall, Nylander is somewhere between Fiala and Tkachuk, though Tkachuk also brings massive intangibles that Nylander doesn't bring. Nylander finished the lowest on his own team in scoring (suggesting he's likely getting a boost from playing with the players he's playing with), yet was the 2nd lowest out of this group offensively ahead of only Fiala during the three years leading up to players signing their contracts.

IMO his contract should be somewhere around ~10-10.5% of the cap, and really shouldn't be in the 11%+ range. The salary cap is expected to be 83.5M, which would give him a caphit of 8.35M-8.77M. I'd be willing to sign him in that range, but if he even wants 9M+, I would personally look at trading him.

Nylander is good, but on a balanced contender, he's probably your 5th or 6th best player once you factor in other forwards, defence, and goaltending. You can't be paying him 9M+.

 

[horner]

The cap will be $90m by then. LOL.

In another 3 yrs Matthew's cap will be the highest.
Can you say 16 mil.
Prove me wrong superstar.

 

[notDatsyuk]

It's funny how our top players say they will stay if we have playoff success but they never have .
It's because of you that we can't build a team .
They still haven't realized they need to give more in the playoffs.

Our top six is to soft period.

He didn't say he would stay if they had success, or that he wouldn't if they didn't.

He said it would be great staying if they had success.

The reporter and the OP spun it as though he said something else.

 

[ACC1224]

He didn't say he would stay if they had success, or that he wouldn't if they didn't.

He said it would be great to stay if they had success.

The reporter and the OP spun it as though he said something else.

Shocking.

 

[notDatsyuk]

If you like our D and bottom 6 with Willie making $7m, you're gonna love it with Willie making $9-10M.

Willy making 7 (or even 9 or 10) isn't the problem with our D and bottom 6. That has much more to do with JT and Mitch making 22.

 

[ToneDog]

In another 3 yrs Matthew's cap will be the highest.
Can you say 16 mil.
Prove me wrong superstar.

It does not have to be by the Leafs.

 

[Larcos_Unal]

The cap will be $90m by then. LOL.

No guarantee of that while Gary is at the helm, nevermind that Matthews & Marner will also have their raises...good luck.

 

[ULF_55]

A few comparisons for Nylander looking at big winger contracts the last two years.

Gaudreau
Contract: 7 X 9.75M (11.82% of cap at time of signing)
Points (previous three seasons): 10th most points in the league, 20th in points per game (minimum 100 games played).
Team: Finished 1st, 1st, and 2nd in team scoring in the previous three seasons.

Huberdeau
Contract: 8 X 10.5M (12.73% of cap)
Points (previous three seasons): 3rd most points in the league, 7th in points per game (min 100 games played)
Team: Finished 1st, 1st, and 1st in team scoring in the previous three seasons.

Tkachuk
Contract: 7 X 9.5M (11.52% of cap)
Points (previous three seasons): 14th most points in the league, 27th in points per game (min 100 games played)
Team: Finished 2nd, 3rd, and 1st in team scoring in the previous three seasons.

Pastrnak
Contract: 8 X 11.25M (13.64% of cap)
Points (previous three seasons): 10th most points in the league, 11th in points per game (min 100 games played) - as he signed mid season, this was based on end of this past season.
Team: Finished 1st, 2nd, and 3rd in team scoring the previous three seasons.

Fiala
Contract: 7 X 7.875M (9.55% of cap)
Points (previous three seasons): 32nd most points in the league, 40th in points per game (min 100 games played)
Team: Finished 2nd, 2nd, and 1st in team scoring the previous three seasons.

Nylander
Contract: ?????
Points (previous three seasons): 23rd most points in the league, 36th in points per game (min 100 games played)
Team: Finished 2nd, 3rd, and 4th in team scoring in the previous three seasons

So overall, Nylander is somewhere between Fiala and Tkachuk, though Tkachuk also brings massive intangibles that Nylander doesn't bring. Nylander finished the lowest on his own team in scoring (suggesting he's likely getting a boost from playing with the players he's playing with), yet was the 2nd lowest out of this group offensively ahead of only Fiala during the three years leading up to players signing their contracts.

IMO his contract should be somewhere around ~10-10.5% of the cap, and really shouldn't be in the 11%+ range. The salary cap is expected to be 83.5M, which would give him a caphit of 8.35M-8.77M. I'd be willing to sign him in that range, but if he even wants 9M+, I would personally look at trading him.

Nylander is good, but on a balanced contender, he's probably your 5th or 6th best player once you factor in other forwards, defence, and goaltending. You can't be paying him 9M+.

Have said it before 8*8.8

It fits and it rings.

He might however force a trade to get away from the clique.

 

[notDatsyuk]

A few comparisons for Nylander looking at big winger contracts the last two years.

Gaudreau
Contract: 7 X 9.75M (11.82% of cap at time of signing)
Points (previous three seasons): 10th most points in the league, 20th in points per game (minimum 100 games played).
Team: Finished 1st, 1st, and 2nd in team scoring in the previous three seasons.

Huberdeau
Contract: 8 X 10.5M (12.73% of cap)
Points (previous three seasons): 3rd most points in the league, 7th in points per game (min 100 games played)
Team: Finished 1st, 1st, and 1st in team scoring in the previous three seasons.

Tkachuk
Contract: 7 X 9.5M (11.52% of cap)
Points (previous three seasons): 14th most points in the league, 27th in points per game (min 100 games played)
Team: Finished 2nd, 3rd, and 1st in team scoring in the previous three seasons.

Pastrnak
Contract: 8 X 11.25M (13.64% of cap)
Points (previous three seasons): 10th most points in the league, 11th in points per game (min 100 games played) - as he signed mid season, this was based on end of this past season.
Team: Finished 1st, 2nd, and 3rd in team scoring the previous three seasons.

Fiala
Contract: 7 X 7.875M (9.55% of cap)
Points (previous three seasons): 32nd most points in the league, 40th in points per game (min 100 games played)
Team: Finished 2nd, 2nd, and 1st in team scoring the previous three seasons.

Nylander
Contract: ?????
Points (previous three seasons): 23rd most points in the league, 36th in points per game (min 100 games played)
Team: Finished 2nd, 3rd, and 4th in team scoring in the previous three seasons

So overall, Nylander is somewhere between Fiala and Tkachuk, though Tkachuk also brings massive intangibles that Nylander doesn't bring. Nylander finished the lowest on his own team in scoring (suggesting he's likely getting a boost from playing with the players he's playing with), yet was the 2nd lowest out of this group offensively ahead of only Fiala during the three years leading up to players signing their contracts.

IMO his contract should be somewhere around ~10-10.5% of the cap, and really shouldn't be in the 11%+ range. The salary cap is expected to be 83.5M, which would give him a caphit of 8.35M-8.77M. I'd be willing to sign him in that range, but if he even wants 9M+, I would personally look at trading him.

Nylander is good, but on a balanced contender, he's probably your 5th or 6th best player once you factor in other forwards, defence, and goaltending. You can't be paying him 9M+.

Good work. I agree with pretty much everything except for the idea that "he's likely getting a boost from playing with the players he's playing with". He's been on the second line (aren't the others all on the top line?) and has been stuck with Tavares and a rotating crop of mediocrity on the left side. If anything, the "players he's playing with" have been a drag rather than a boost.

 

[leafan11]

The good thing about this negotiation is that Nylander has to know that if they can’t get a deal done , he’s being traded.