the idea of panarin making players around him better and the positive impact he can have on our kids is probably the single best argument that can be made in favor of signing him
Panarin: Yes or No?
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the idea of panarin making players around him better and the positive impact he can have on our kids is probably the single best argument that can be made in favor of signing him
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I hear all the arguments against it but I would say go for it.
He’s an ilk of player that doesn’t make it to July 1 very often. We can look and see who may be UFA a few years down the line. I don’t see anyone of this caliber who is likely to not extend with their current team.
As far as aging, Panarin isn’t old yet and has very few NHL games compared to most people at this point. The KHL is still work obviously and wears you down to an extent, but there’s a reason old players here retire there in some cases - it’s less physical, less punishing and puts less wear and tear on guys.
At this point we’re looking to give all the young forwards very little to lean on, all the more true if Kreider gets moved. There’s essentially Mika and nobody as far as top tier experienced forwards go. Imo adding another like Panarin is very likely to be a net positive for the team based on what he brings and how it helps the current crop of kids, even if that means picking 10 instead of 5 or whatever.
He’s an ilk of player that doesn’t make it to July 1 very often. We can look and see who may be UFA a few years down the line. I don’t see anyone of this caliber who is likely to not extend with their current team.
As far as aging, Panarin isn’t old yet and has very few NHL games compared to most people at this point. The KHL is still work obviously and wears you down to an extent, but there’s a reason old players here retire there in some cases - it’s less physical, less punishing and puts less wear and tear on guys.
At this point we’re looking to give all the young forwards very little to lean on, all the more true if Kreider gets moved. There’s essentially Mika and nobody as far as top tier experienced forwards go. Imo adding another like Panarin is very likely to be a net positive for the team based on what he brings and how it helps the current crop of kids, even if that means picking 10 instead of 5 or whatever.
If they do everything in the good section, I think they can survive with out Kreider but thats a ton of shit you'd need to go right.
Of course trading Kreider increases their chances at flopping.
Hey and thats totally fine.
So if they dont, do they re-sign Kreider and add a vet forward like Hagelin? Add a vet D like Stralman?
I would love to move out Nams and/or Vesey for picks. Sign Hagelin.
Retain on Smith and move him. Move on from Claesson. Sign Stralman.
Then have some competition for spots on D between Hajek/Lindgren/Rykov.
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I think that kind of works both ways though, the ones he plays directly with sure, yet the ones he is always playing in front of probably not so much.
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What you also see if this is your roster two years from now is 8 guys on ELC's and at 4 on their second contracts. Add in Shesterkin and Georgiev and it's probably 9 and 5.
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If I actually felt more assured that this team would finish bottom 3 or 4 if it didn’t sign Panarin, I’d probably be more against signing him.
But even if we don’t sign him, I’m not convinced we already aren’t a much better team than last year. I mean, what if Kakko is an instant star? What if Kravtsov is immediately a legit top 6 player? What if Fox is a legit top 4 defender?
I mean, none of these things are that far fetched. I don’t think the Rangers are quite the bottom feeder some may imagine with or without Panarin. That may seem to belie the whole reason for paying him $11m a year, but that’s kinda why I want him. If this team is better quicker, he’s a perfect player to have.
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Far-fetched, no. But I think we also have to take into account losing around a 120 some odd point pace from Hayes/Zucc combined, and the fact that the defense, even with Fox, isn't terribly more intimidating than it was. And if Kreider is indeed moved, that becomes another 25-30 goals and 60 odd points.
But I also feel like this conversation feels eerily similar to last year with somewhat different names.
The reasoning for the anti-Panarin crowd to have their stance is too well-documented for you to over imply like this. This is way too dumbed down of a reason.
Just my viewpoint, in 3 years (3 seasons after this one), the Rangers will be competing for an in the playoffs. In 5 years (4 if some things go right), they should be competing for the Cup.
If not the only one, then one of the very, very few.
The reasoning of why people think this is a likely lottery team are also legion and in various threads.
Stating that this is a lottery team is a whole lot different than rooting for it.
The Rangers are in such a fortunate spot with both the Hughes/Kakko and Panarin debates.
Regarding Panarin, JD has insight into the type of player and person he is that few others have. I trust his judgment to gauge if he is the right player at the right time. I think he and the rest of management will approach the situation pragmatically, and I also hope "get better as quickly as possible" isn't the defining theme here.
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it's probably significantly less likely but I'd be 1000000% more interested in Hall as a UFA next summer.
The Rangers were a bottom 3 team in the league last year with Zuccarello and Hayes most of the year and Lunqvist being great the first half and Georgiev stealing most of the second half. I think we can reasonably assume they will be, at the absolute best, the same which is still horrid.
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I think there’s a lot that needs to go right from pretty much the whole team to be better than last season. There’s probably going to be steps forward in some areas, and steps back in others, some questions will be answered, some will still be unanswered or create more questions. I’m personally still skeptical on calling Zibanejad an elite player, and I still have some worries about him getting injured (he played a full season last year, but it turned out he was playing through an injury towards the end of the season). We’ll be going into the season with Chytil/Strome/Howden/Andersson as the 2C which isn’t the same as going into the season with Hayes as the 2C. Overall, I just think that this team is going to be a very young team and with young teams, there’s flashes of the potential being realized, but there’s also down periods where guys struggle or are just totally invisible
I'm a Jackets fan and I have to say this discussion is amusing. I'm surprised there is any debate about it. Panarin is a building block piece just the same as Kakko is. And it's likely he'll still be an elite forward at age 35. You can tank for a lot of years and not luck into a player that good.
I've also noticed people talking about the ease of finding wingers, not needing a RHS, basing it on the Kreider decision, etc... This is a poor sense of priorities. Panarin is an elite playmaker that drives the play. It doesn't matter what position he plays. If he was a pure sniper I'd understand de-prioritizing his role, but this is a guy that does all the carrying from zone exit to zone entry. Whoever you put him with you get a great line.
I've also noticed people talking about the ease of finding wingers, not needing a RHS, basing it on the Kreider decision, etc... This is a poor sense of priorities. Panarin is an elite playmaker that drives the play. It doesn't matter what position he plays. If he was a pure sniper I'd understand de-prioritizing his role, but this is a guy that does all the carrying from zone exit to zone entry. Whoever you put him with you get a great line.
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I think it's an implicit question if people are thinking they'll get a better player by tanking.
with Kreider I think they only sign him if its 6x6........otherwise they go to the draft and see if they can get another 1st
on D I really don't know.......its going to be interesting as I think they are aiming for a RD while trying to move out Shatty or Smith.............Claesson at 900K is fine since they can bury that contract and if he is claimed on waivers oh well...........wouldnt bother with Stralman or any old Rangers like Brassard/Hagelin........time to move on
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If we're choosing between Hall and Panarin it's easily Hall but I don't think anyone expects the Devils not to go all out to sign Hall and they have tons of cap space--could easily give him the best contract in the league. Panarin signaled last year that he was not re-signing with the Blue Jackets. Hall hasn't signaled anything of the kind so I'd expect the Devils to lock him up.
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I’ve never liked what I’ve heard about Hall off the ice. I wonder if he’s matured since Edmonton. Frankly, I’d much, much , much rather sign Panarin, even if the timing isn’t as ideal.
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