Confirmed with Link: Panarin taking leave of absence from NYR (Warning in First Post)

[DutchNYR]

navalny team bots a coming,he has alot of them - he has a video with 100 million russian views,when whole country has like 70 millions active internet users
"Most russians under 40 hates Putin". 20-45 is demographics group supporting Putin - peoples that dosn't have soviet times nostalgy and well enough educated to not fall for navalny populism.
"leader russian opposition" communist party is real opposition,not a guy that can barely get 2% votes...

Get yourselves a military VPN lads - the FSB has entered the building.

 

[LOFIN]

Hello, NYR fans! I'm from Russia. We are outraged by Nazarov's lies. He's scum and idiot, who was beat Minsk fans by stick. None hockey club does not want to mess with him. Russia is in a political crisis now. Most russians under 40 hates Putin. Who criticizes puts himselves in danger, in terms of money, work, freedom and sometimes even life. I have no doubt that this is revenge for the support of the leader russian opposition. I hope the situation in Russia will be resolved soon and war criminals will be punished. Wish us luck!

navalny team bots a coming,he has alot of them - he has a video with 100 million russian views,when whole country has like 70 millions active internet users
"Most russians under 40 hates Putin". 20-45 is demographics group supporting Putin - peoples that dosn't have soviet times nostalgy and well enough educated to not fall for navalny populism.
"leader russian opposition" communist party is real opposition,not a guy that can barely get 2% votes...

I'm pretty sure you can take both of these takes with some grain of salt. The truth is somewhere in the middle. No, Navalnyi is not super popular in Russia. And no, Putin doesn't have the support he used to either, and especially not with young Russians living in big cities.

Nothing is going to change anytime soon either.

 

[Ola]

navalny team bots a coming,he has alot of them - he has a video with 100 million russian views,when whole country has like 70 millions active internet users
"Most russians under 40 hates Putin". 20-45 is demographics group supporting Putin - peoples that dosn't have soviet times nostalgy and well enough educated to not fall for navalny populism.
"leader russian opposition" communist party is real opposition,not a guy that can barely get 2% votes...

It’s actually not 100m — Russian — views but total views on YT right?

It’s available with subtitles. There have been links to it in several articles and I’ve clicked on them and seen parts of it, and when discussed over lunch at work it does seem like at least a few have seen at least parts of it.

If a a politician is poisoned with a rare military nerve agent, survives and returns to his country and posts a film — its not that surprising that a lot of people views it, right?

With that said, I also am sure that Putin got a lot of support.

 

[Ola]

Ultimately discussions on these topics can take a lot of directions.

What is relevant from my POV is:
(a) Can the reporting with negative news about Panarin be trusted? Like a newspaper certainly has a responsibility to verify allegations made by someone they interview.

(b) Is this an architected attack from the top, or something made by Nazarov to look good?

(c) Does Panarin and or his family have more to fear in the future?

I think these are all highly relevant questions for us.

In response to them, I think the report by the Post and Brooks having talked with a Russian expert is very credible. I think that there is a risk/tendency for people outside Russia to say ‘it is Putin’. And in a perspective of responsibility that is one thing. But in principle these things are almost always more about a low intensity informal machinery. Not seldomly punches delivered to get a feather in the hat.

I don’t really think this is a big deal and I think it will play out fast. I think the NYR (with Edge brought in as a consultant?) is handling this perfectly. I’ve not liked how they handled a lot of things lately, but here I think they do an excellent job. No matter what, it’s a serious allegation AND it’s especially a very serious things to be alleged of for Panarin. I can only imagine if it happened to me. It’s not something you shrug of super easily. And I think we can get closure soon.

 

[kovazub94]

So, to summarize so far...

Also, this thread is a confirmation that americans have mythology of Putin and Russia in general, you guys had very uninformed takes on the situation in Russia, safety of Panarins family, safety of Panarin himself, somehow we started talking about political imprisonments and killings in the thread about Panarin. I mean, this is cartoonish.

Getting your news from the government sponsored media like Chanel 1 is way worse consumption of Putin propaganda than the “uninformed” American takes on situation in Russia.

 

[tbassler]

Getting your news from the government sponsored media like Chanel 1 is way worse consumption of Putin propaganda than the “uninformed” American takes on situation in Russia.

Only idiots get their news from TV.

 

[vorky]

Getting your news from the government sponsored media like Chanel 1 is way worse consumption of Putin propaganda than the “uninformed” American takes on situation in Russia.

The words "the government sponsored media" is an example of your (not only yours) misunderstanding of Russia. Even if some media are funded by the Russian government, they are still making a huge anti-Russian & anti-Putin & pro-Western policy in their news feeds. It is your misunderstanding that these media present pro-Kremlin, pro-Russian or pro-Putin views, they are not doing it at all. All Russian media are liberal & pro-Western oriented, some even sponsored directly or indirectly by the West & affiliated entities.

 

[duhmetreE]

I find these questions, less than 24 hours after the news broke, to be incredibly selfish and devoid of humanity

HAHAHAHAHAH

Someone is spreading lies about him. Lets keep it in perspective. It's Fake News. No one died. Lets not be melodramatic.

 

[Kovalev27]

Boomer Esiason is saying Panarin asked the Rangers for 2 weeks off to get his affairs in order.

unfortunately that could mean missing somewhere between 7 to 9 games in this condensed schedule. Brutal but could of course be way worse.

 

[SnowblindNYR]

It’s a no lose situation for the Rangers and NHL to support Panarins leave. They get to stay out of the political debate and if there turns out to be any truth to it they can just say he was already gone so no need to suspend him. I’m interested to see when he comes back what proof there is the claims are false. NHL won’t want to touch it if there’s a shred of truth to it.

Why does there need to be proof that the claims are false? The onus is on Nazarov to prove the claims are true.

 

[Leetch3]

Boomer Esiason is saying Panarin asked the Rangers for 2 weeks off to get his affairs in order.

unfortunately that could mean missing somewhere between 7 to 9 games in this condensed schedule. Brutal but could of course be way worse.

assuming he is going back to russia...that likely means he will be out a month since he will have to quarantine before rejoining the team

 

[duhmetreE]

Boomer Esiason is saying Panarin asked the Rangers for 2 weeks off to get his affairs in order.

unfortunately that could mean missing somewhere between 7 to 9 games in this condensed schedule. Brutal but could of course be way worse.

I do not know why he would need 2 weeks off for a 'Fake News' article coming out of Russia... but it is what it is.

Hopefully everything works out for him.

 

[Kovalev27]

assuming he is going back to russia...that likely means he will be out a month since he will have to quarantine before rejoining the team

well that we just don’t know. Is he going for a couple days then coming right back? Is he going at all? You don’t spend 10 days in quarantine anymore if you can show testing proof prior to landing and post

 

[HockeyBasedNYC]

I think this line in Larry's latest write up is the most important:

Remember this, too: At the time of the alleged assault, Panarin was regarded as a run of the mill 20-year-old who had been passed over entirely by the NHL during two draft years. He was certainly not a high-profile athlete. As such, there’d have been little reason to engage in bribery and engineer a cover-up.

Why would a they try to cover up an assault in a bar by a 19-20 year old for the alleged $40,000. Who would put up that money? Panarin? He didn't have it at the time. The team?

Ok so if it was the team, the coach or another individual around that team, they would think pretty highly of Artemiy at the time wouldn't they - to not only put up $40,000 but also engage in a cover up?

If he was that highly regarded then it goes against Nasarov's claim that Panarin has a history of "evil behavior". Why would they bother to protect him if this wasn't completely out of character. They didn't owe the kid anything. He was a virtual nobody.

https://nypost.com/2021/02/22/rangers-artemi-panarin-is-paying-the-price-for-speaking-out/

 

[The New Russian Five]

That poster isn't wrong. Nothing will happen to Panarin's family. Believing that something *could* happen to them is not rooted in reality and is a reflection of hysterics, stereotypes and ignorance. Panarin is an athlete, not a spy or some journalist exposing sensitive info. Sweet Jesus.

Like Ive said before, people crap on Putin all the time. It's no big deal. Whatever. The biggest push-back isn't from the government but the hoards of mindless Putin supporters who'll question your patriotism.

Panarin was literally just hit with what looks like a completely fabricated hit piece because he threw up an Instagram post, are you really that naive to think this crap is beneath this administration? Again, there might not be any physical harm done to his family, but there are other ways to harm them without much effort by the apparatus. And if there isn't anything to worry about then why is Panarin reportedly trying to get his family here as soon as possible?

 

[Kovalev27]

Word is he’s going to sue for libel. So spending some time with the lawyers may be a part of this.

 

[cwede]

Sorry to change topic back to Rangers hockey,
but if Kakko also out tomorrow,
does Quinn use Smith as 12th F, and JJ back in on D?
Or another Brodzinski sighting?
Or a more exciting prospect recall...

 

[Val]

navalny team bots a coming

it's not funny

"Most russians under 40 hates Putin". 20-45 is demographics group supporting Putin - peoples that dosn't have soviet times nostalgy and well enough educated to not fall for navalny populism.
"leader russian opposition" communist party is real opposition,not a guy that can barely get 2% votes...

This is a common russian TV lie. I'm russian and i know opposition is much more popular than Putin now. Just look at how posts with Putin are disliked in internet.
This is hockey forum. Panarin is 29 years old russian man. He supported the russian opposition. This is normal for young russian. Revenge and slander in return is disgusting.

 

[kovazub94]

The words "the government sponsored media" is an example of your (not only yours) misunderstanding of Russia. Even if some media are funded by the Russian government, they are still making a huge anti-Russian & anti-Putin & pro-Western policy in their news feeds. It is your misunderstanding that these media present pro-Kremlin, pro-Russian or pro-Putin views, they are not doing it at all. All Russian media are liberal & pro-Western oriented, some even sponsored directly or indirectly by the West & affiliated entities.

I have access to this channel. Absolutely no misunderstanding. It’s 100% pro-Putin propaganda and a bit of mindless entertainment. It is very apparent and actually appalling how things get twisted - with countless examples. I know exactly what you’re doing here so before I get an infraction - goodbye.

 

[Kovalev27]

Kakko is def out I’d really love to see Morgan Barron recalled but looks like brodzinski may be the guy

listen on another note and I’m talking strictly on ice now of course but this might be the best thing that happens to Alexis Lafreniere this year. He’s going to get mins and pp time and the puck on his stick in the top 6. These are the mins and situations most top picks get. Well he’s going to get them now. I’d like to see him next to Strome here for a bit and on the top pp unit.

 

[kovazub94]

assuming he is going back to russia...that likely means he will be out a month since he will have to quarantine before rejoining the team

I don’t see a reason for Panarin to go back to Russia. Whatever “affairs” he needs to get in order - he should be doing it from here, and if needed, via intermediaries in Russia.

 

[Rovad]

it's not funny


This is a common russian TV lie. I'm russian and i know opposition is much more popular than Putin now. Just look at how posts with Putin are disliked in internet.
This is hockey forum. Panarin is 29 years old russian man. He supported the russian opposition. This is normal for young russian. Revenge and slander in return is disgusting.

"opposition is much more popular" yeah,that why navalny team can't even gather decent crowd for protest with all western supportEven criminal mayor Furgal gathered more supporters than Navalny...

 

[NYSPORTS]

Kakko is def out I’d really love to see Morgan Barron recalled but looks like brodzinski may be the guy

listen on another note and I’m talking strictly on ice now of course but this might be the best thing that happens to Alexis Lafreniere this year. He’s going to get mins and pp time and the puck on his stick in the top 6. These are the mins and situations most top picks get. Well he’s going to get them now. I’d like to see him next to Strome here for a bit and on the top pp unit.

it’s really becoming more of a prospect development year with the Panarin and TDA developments. Really need Chytil back b/c this center position might be worse than we thought.

 

[TheBPA]

I don’t see a reason for Panarin to go back to Russia. Whatever “affairs” he needs to get in order - he should be doing it from here, and if needed, via intermediaries in Russia.

There's no reason for him to personally go back. We're talking about a guy with millions of dollars at his disposal, meaning if he wants, he can have a team of agents, lawyers, consultants, etc. doing whatever needs to be done back in Russia to assist his family if that's what's actually happening. Not to mention that he has the full support of the Rangers as well. There's zero reason for him to personally go back to Russia unless he wants to.

 

[Larrybiv]

This just has me sick to my stomach. How anyone can come out of leftfield with accusations (10 years, no less) and be allowed to cause havoc in this "great country of ours" (gasp, choke, gasp) is beyond unfathomable. Just when we may be thinking that our season was starting to get back on the right track. I mean, when does the chicanery end?
SOMEONE PLEASE tell me this is a very bad joke, because right now....I feel scared for his life. Right or wrong, he shouldn't have been allowed to go home, because we have no real proof he will be okay, him and his family. #veryconcerned. Please someone, make me feel better about all of this.