Rumor: Pagnotta: "Rasmus Andersson is open to a trade, he would welcome it" It would cost 3 assets...1st rnd pick, prospect, +

[Bond]

I can't argue with that. That's why I am willing to move the 1st so early when many Oil fans would say it's too risky. And I have been pencilling in Savoie as a winger, but due to our team needs that's the best fit. I'm not sure if he could be a top 6 C or not.

Idk your prospects as well as you do, but just glancing idk who you compare to Savoie? I don't see too many small wingers. There is the LHS Pelletier, but at almost 24 idk how high that ceiling is and what your teams longterm views are on him. I just don't see a ton of smaller, high offensive potential guys. Not disagreeing with you, but I'm curious who your thinking of.

Ekholm went for a 1st and Schaefer (who definitely did not have 1st round value imo). Chychrun went for a 1st (12th OA) and 2 2nds, then a 3rd and Jensen. Hronek went for a 1st (17 OA) and a 2nd. This is RA's value range imo, notice the lack of guaranteed center prospects. The highest end piece being a 1st that I think most at the time thought would be later than 12 OA.

In all of this, I noticed how much Ras has cooled down since the start of the year. What's the deal there?

If the Flames trade him now I expect something close to Hronek or the first Chychrun trade. If all that is being offered is a late 1st then trade him next year.

They already have Coronato in the top six and a few prospects (Basha and Misha) that are smaller in addition to Pelletier. Then they have a swack load of winger prospects in general. It just isn’t a huge need.

The Flames offense is pretty bad and Andersson has had to focus a lot more on defense. On a good offensive team he will get points.

 

[Bond]

Hanifin did not "block" a bunch of playoff teams from trading for him with his NTC.

Calgary tried to peddle him as "with an extension" and came back shocked and disappointed when the pending UFA wasn't willing to sign an extension with every single team in the league immediately and at a reasonable amount to do Calgary a favour.

He could have blocked half of the playoff teams if he wanted. Just take the loss, I wasn’t even talking about Hanifin’s value. He got an absolutely normal deadline return.

 

[Zirakzigil]

Def sounds like he wants out.

 

[dgibb10]

He could have blocked half of the playoff teams if he wanted. Just take the loss, I wasn’t even talking about Hanifin’s value. He got an absolutely normal deadline return.

Absolutely insane here.

NHL players submit their NTCs on the 1st day of the league year.

so Calgary knew exactly which teams were on his NTC through this entire process.

And let me get this scenario you think happened straight.

Noah Hanifin, in the offseason, who we know doesn't want to stay in Calgary (as noted by him refusing very sizeable contract offers in this time frame from Calgary).

And so you think what he did was sat down with his agent and said "I want to make it so I cannot be traded to all the best teams in the league this season. I would REALLY hate it if I got to join one of the best teams for a playoff run and a chance at the cup", and then also accurately predicted which teams would be in the playoffs heading into the year, so he could gain what exactly?

 

[Bond]

Absolutely insane here.

NHL players submit their NTCs on the 1st day of the league year.

so Calgary knew exactly which teams were on his NTC through this entire process.

And let me get this scenario you think happened straight.

Noah Hanifin, in the offseason, who we know doesn't want to stay in Calgary (as noted by him refusing very sizeable contract offers in this time frame from Calgary).

And so you think what he did was sat down with his agent and said "I want to make it so I cannot be traded to all the best teams in the league this season. I would REALLY hate it if I got to join one of the best teams for a playoff run and a chance at the cup", and then also accurately predicted which teams would be in the playoffs heading into the year, so he could gain what exactly?

I don’t think that is how it played out in reality but it could have. You are talking like you actually know what happened and you don’t. He can waive to any team he put on his list. You should know that because you are clearly in the room with his agent lol.
The Flames weren’t going to trade him until the deadline and were going try and make playoffs. It’s not really that hard to predict 8 of the playoff teams he wouldn’t want to go to and crappy teams weren’t going to trade for him.
Anyways Andersson’s value is higher right now than Hanifin’s was when he was traded and his NTC is less limiting.

 

[CraigsList]

Come on Chevy… go get him

If Lambert OR Yager were on the table I could see it.

 

[Yepthatsme]

Yeah you're not gonna pretend Calgary fans didn't spend months talking about pieces like Mercer, Nemec, and 10th overall in regards to Jacob Markstrom.

Everyone WANTS the quality. But they don't get it.

Calgary got a 24 year old defenseman who’s playing top pair over Weegar at around 20 to 24 minutes a night without powerplay time on top of a 1st round pick. In what world is that not quality? Bahl has been a revelation even if some Flames fans don’t fully appreciate his game yet. He will be an anchor for our D-core for a decade plus.

 

[Cousin Eddie]

Cal Ritchie
1st
Mittelstadt
Malinski

Andersson
Kadri

 

[Tkachuk Norris]

Cal Ritchie
1st
Mittelstadt
Malinski

Andersson
Kadri

I’d love a deal around Ritchie and Andersson. He’s the ideal target imo. I’d probably do it 1 for 1.

 

[crackdown44]

Calgary got a 24 year old defenseman who’s playing top pair over Weegar at around 20 to 24 minutes a night without powerplay time on top of a 1st round pick. In what world is that not quality? Bahl has been a revelation even if some Flames fans don’t fully appreciate his game yet. He will be an anchor for our D-core for a decade plus.

Bahl is not in the same stratosphere as Weegar give me a break. Weegar is second pair only on the roster sheet, it’s just to balance the pairings

Bahl has been really reliable and a lot better than I expected but come on now

 

[Jumptheshark]

Flames are one spot out of the playoffs--why would they trade a key piece to their D?

 

[Zirakzigil]

Flames are one spot out of the playoffs--why would they trade a key piece to their D?

Nope. Not unless the offer was something stupid. I think the only way you get Conroy to consider it if its a young top center coming back.

 

[Yepthatsme]

Bahl is not in the same stratosphere as Weegar give me a break. Weegar is second pair only on the roster sheet, it’s just to balance the pairings

Bahl has been really reliable and a lot better than I expected but come on now

I never meant to imply he was better than Weegar, just that we have a guy we are playing more than Mackenzie Weegar of all players. He’s playing top pairing minutes and recently as the shutdown pairs against the opponents best players and looking good to great doing it on the average night.

He’s young, huge, and not looking out of place on a top pairing role. He’s replaced the Hanifin role of most under appreciated blue liner on the Flames.

 

[crackdown44]

I never meant to imply he was better than Weegar, just that we have a guy we are playing more than Mackenzie Weegar of all players. He’s playing top pairing minutes and recently as the shutdown pairs against the opponents best players and looking good to great doing it on the average night.

He’s young, huge, and not looking out of place on a top pairing role. He’s replaced the Hanifin role of most under appreciated blue liner on the Flames.

Except he doesn’t get more ice time than Weegar either

 

[Visnovsky]

Easton Cowan would absolutely be available for Andersson - what would the Leafs need to add?

 

[Fjordy]

He's got 1.5 yrs left and then as a UFA he'd be gone from Buffalo.
Byram is RFA where the team can control

Buffalo doesn't need a rental (they making a playoff run? lol)

Samuelsson, Greenway might be sabres they could look to move and picks.

But I'd like Buffalo to keep Greenway.

Byram could easily file for arbitration and also become a UFA soon. He is also rumored to be looking for a 1D and PP1 role. That is not happening in Buffalo, he doesn't even always play PP2. In Calgary he will have more PP time and a bigger role. Well, we'll get a Swedish partner for Dahlin in the first pair, a right-hander who will fit well. And all we have to do is find a defensive partner for Power in the second pair.

 

[dgibb10]

I never meant to imply he was better than Weegar, just that we have a guy we are playing more than Mackenzie Weegar of all players. He’s playing top pairing minutes and recently as the shutdown pairs against the opponents best players and looking good to great doing it on the average night.

He’s young, huge, and not looking out of place on a top pairing role. He’s replaced the Hanifin role of most under appreciated blue liner on the Flames.

I think you should give him a massive contract!

He's DEFINITELY not losing his minutes by a significant margin despite playing with Andersson.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Hanifin was a pending UFA.

Flames fans were convinced a magical extension would jack up his cost

I told flames fans that "with extension" on pending ufas isn't a real tool to increase value, and that he'd fetch the standard rental price as always.

and well, you know what happened next when he got traded (without an extension in place).

Only a select few people believe that. Players never come pre-signed unless its a deal for the 8th year where they wouldn't otherwise be able to sign for that long (ie PLD, Tkachuk). So any negotiations in an extension are done between the player and the new team. The old team has no say in that.

However, when a player publicly says they will only sign an extension with team X and they are someone in their prime that most teams would be looking to extend post trade anyways it makes other suitors lose interest. That is exactly what Hanifin did, he made it public that he wanted to sign in Tampa specifically. Teams that were looking to trade and then sign him lost interest and pursued players that were willing to sign extensions with them instead. This resulted in Tampa basically holding all the cards on an extension unless another team came in and believed they could convince him to sign instead. Hanifin being really close friends with Eichel played a massive part in why he ended up agreeing to an extension with the Golden Knights

 

[dgibb10]

Only a select few people believe that. Players never come pre-signed unless its a deal for the 8th year where they wouldn't otherwise be able to sign for that long (ie PLD, Tkachuk). So any negotiations in an extension are done between the player and the new team. The old team has no say in that.

However, when a player publicly says they will only sign an extension with team X and they are someone in their prime that most teams would be looking to extend post trade anyways it makes other suitors lose interest. That is exactly what Hanifin did, he made it public that he wanted to sign in Tampa specifically. Teams that were looking to trade and then sign him lost interest and pursued players that were willing to sign extensions with them instead. This resulted in Tampa basically holding all the cards on an extension unless another team came in and believed they could convince him to sign instead. Hanifin being really close friends with Eichel played a massive part in why he ended up agreeing to an extension with the Golden Knights

I saw the words "with extension" slapped onto Hanifin trades so, many, times with outlandish prices for a rental justified by said extension.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

Absolutely insane here.

NHL players submit their NTCs on the 1st day of the league year.

so Calgary knew exactly which teams were on his NTC through this entire process.

And let me get this scenario you think happened straight.

Noah Hanifin, in the offseason, who we know doesn't want to stay in Calgary (as noted by him refusing very sizeable contract offers in this time frame from Calgary).

And so you think what he did was sat down with his agent and said "I want to make it so I cannot be traded to all the best teams in the league this season. I would REALLY hate it if I got to join one of the best teams for a playoff run and a chance at the cup", and then also accurately predicted which teams would be in the playoffs heading into the year, so he could gain what exactly?

This is not always true. Depending on how the contract is written a player may not have to submit a NTC list until asked by the team. just like how the lists aren't public knowledge when they have to submit their lists is also not public knowledge.

I saw the words "with extension" slapped onto Hanifin trades so, many, times with outlandish prices for a rental justified by said extension.

You say that like it doesn't happen with every fanbases pending UFA's.

 

[Nogatco Rd]

Flames had a pretty good team before Tkachuk and Gaudreau derailed it all.

How did Tkachuk derail it? He wanted a long term deal, they balked, and by the time they changed their mind he was ready to move on.

 

[dgibb10]

This is not always true. Depending on how the contract is written a player may not have to submit a NTC list until asked by the team. just like how the lists aren't public knowledge when they have to submit their lists is also not public knowledge.


You say that like it doesn't happen with every fanbases pending UFA's.

Yes it does with all of these fanbases. And every time it does (and I see it) I point out that it's not a real thing that meaningfully increases value.

It is almost always july 1st and there is NOTHING to suggest different for hanifin.

He gave calgary a list of places he'd want to extend. Beyond that he's a rental. If calgary was trying to sell him to other teams at non rental prices based on some "extension" that 's on them when those teams backed out

 

[Yepthatsme]

Except he doesn’t get more ice time than Weegar either

Bahl actually has more 5v5 minutes as well as shorthanded time than Weegar this season. Weegar’s PP time keeps his total minutes higher (as well as OT usage), but where they both share time at Bahl actually gets higher usage and tougher competition.

 

[Yepthatsme]

I think you should give him a massive contract!

He's DEFINITELY not losing his minutes by a significant margin despite playing with Andersson.

He’s playing top pairing minutes and has similar numbers xGF% to Andersson (his partner so less notable) and Weegar who plays on a separate pair. You say he’s losing his minutes while a pretty high end defenseman and Calgary’s best regular in the stat like Weegar has a 51 xGF%, compared to Bahl’s 49% while receiving tougher minutes. Mostly sounds like you haven’t watched him, because the average Calgary fan will tell you he’s been good to great while I personally believe he looks to be a pillar of our future defense core with our offensive defenseman coming up.

I also applaud you for saying a 49% xGF is losing his minutes by a significant margin on a team that…loses their minutes on the advanced stats side of the equation.