Rumor: Pagnotta: Montreal and Toronto had an agreed trade at trade deadline: Knies for Zharovksy, prospect + 2x 1st round pick

[TheKrebsCycle]

How can you say circumstances have changed? People on this board dunk on the leafs, their prospects, worst GM hire, and their lack of draft picks. Now 1 draft lottery changes everything?

You quite literally said it yourself . New GM , new leadership , 1 st overall pick in tow which should land a truly impactful talent . The moment has passed . He shouldn’t have even been on the block to begin w. Tre is gone though thank god ; remains to be seen if Chayka is better but what we do know is he isn’t dealing Knies . He’s been effusive w his praise . Same team that is getting dunked on literally won the division a year ago . But sure all doom and gloom. I really like Zharovsky as a prospect but this is the right move for the reload plan; regardless if it’s the correct path in general

 

[MM425]

The Leafs front office was even more of a clown show than we realized.

I don’t know why you would kick off a rebuild by trading your 23 year old power forward for futures. Completely ridiculous stuff.

I’m not sure how I would have felt as a Habs fan. It’s a lot to pay. Zharovsky has an immense ceiling and it sounds like he will be over when his KHL contract is up. But 6’3 / 230 players who can skate as good as Knies don’t grow on trees either.

 

[ottawagm]

Knies nagging knee problems and concussion history is a bit concerning.

Must be why they want to trade him? Would think he's a guy you build around.

 

[Rob Brown]

Must be why they want to trade him? Would think he's a guy you build around.

There's zero indication that the current regime wants to move him.

 

[CanMerc]

reminder Pagnotta has zero credibility

Disagree…he’s extremely credible for being not credible.
Hes like Eklund…as soon as you see his name you know its bullshit

 

[sd1976]

Damn some Leafs fans are so out of touch with reality

Did you fail to read the post or just skip to the end? As stated, I know it’s an overpayment and that was actually the point of the post. Should I label all non Leafs fans as slow, based on your lack of reading comprehension?

 

[Kobe Armstrong]

Why? The guy that (apparently) almost traded Knies away is no longer employed by the Leafs.

Not sure what collapse your referencing with the Marner questions and storyline comment. This past season as a whole? The previous playoffs? Either way, Marner's storyline had nothing to do with it.

It’s pretty clear Marner’s desire to leave the Leafs, and his newfound happiness and success away from them has had an impact on the current Leafs team. Obviously Matthews wants to leave too

 

[Ianturnedbull]

You quite literally said it yourself . New GM , new leadership , 1 st overall pick in tow which should land a truly impactful talent . The moment has passed . He shouldn’t have even been on the block to begin w. Tre is gone though thank god ; remains to be seen if Chayka is better but what we do know is he isn’t dealing Knies . He’s been effusive w his praise . Same team that is getting dunked on literally won the division a year ago . But sure all doom and gloom. I really like Zharovsky as a prospect but this is the right move for the reload plan; regardless if it’s the correct path in general

Well we don't know anything. We only know that Knies is MTL's target. Why would they give up after the first try. GMs often circle back on deals.

What kind of turn around is going to happen? The lottery win hardly covers up TOR's issues. Treliving was not really the problem. It was what Shanahan did. They're still the leafs with this year's first pick.

If Reilly agrees to a trade, they might be even worse defensively. Is Matthews going to be dominant again? Who are they possibly signing to help them?

 

[Bobby Ryan Getzlaf]

Thank god this didnt go through. If the other prospect wasn't Hagens, then this would've been atrocious

How did you get Boston involved in this?

 

[JKG33]

We can't know that because those players we'd have traded have yet to play in the NHL.

Zharovsky might just become an even better player than Knies for all we know.

Personally, I wouldn't have done that trade. If we're going to trade our best prospects, it has to be for a center like Thomas/Hischier/Larkin.

A bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush.

He could be the next Gretzky. Or Yakupov. We dont know, because hes not even in the NHL yet.

But Knies is a 1st line power forward. I highly doubt any prospect/pick in this trade ends up a more valuable player

 

[Jag68Sid87]

Disagree…he’s extremely credible for being not credible.
Hes like Eklund…as soon as you see his name you know its bullshit

How do you feel about Friedman, then? Because Friedman basically corroborated almost everything Pagnotta said. Friedman added that the second prospect was not Hage and not Reinbacher. And then he said Mtl wants to circle back but Tor now has no appetite to do this.

There is way too much detail in this rumor to believe it's all b.s. now. So my conclusion is that the Maple Leafs dodged a MASSIVE bullet.

 

[JianYang]

Well we don't know anything. We only know that Knies is MTL's target. Why would they give up after the first try. GMs often circle back on deals.

What kind of turn around is going to happen? The lottery win hardly covers up TOR's issues. Treliving was not really the problem. It was what Shanahan did. They're still the leafs with this year's first pick.

If Reilly agrees to a trade, they might be even worse defensively. Is Matthews going to be dominant again? Who are they possibly signing to help them?

If the reports are true that the leafs are talking to roy and laviolette, you dont bring those types into the discussion if you are thinking long term. Therefore, a futures type deal with montreal no longer makes sense because there is no longer a foundation to work with.

Its not happening anymore.

 

[glenbuis2]

How did you get Boston involved in this?

i’m guessing he meant hage

 

[Wats]

A bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush.

He could be the next Gretzky. Or Yakupov. We dont know, because hes not even in the NHL yet.

But Knies is a 1st line power forward. I highly doubt any prospect/pick in this trade ends up a more valuable player

In a bubble sure, it could end up being bunch of middling assets for a good one. This would have been the thought when Leafs traded for Carlo/Kessel too FYI.

But when you're a team that has to:

1) nerf Hutson by playing him offside as RD in the playoffs and risk him getting crushed at a higher rate by having Struble panic pass him puck on the boards to his backhand. Its a statical fact he's much less effective offside but they have no choice since he's better than anyone else.

2) have your 4th liner Evans as your 2nd line C...for most of the playoffs. Suzuki gets hurt, no one is there to help out. They have no one reliable as a 2nd C to help Demidov.

Makes no sense to go all in on Knies with the above issues. It would be the mistake that Leafs made giving JT a mega contract with Matthews and Kadri as their top 2 C but mixed in with the Kessel type move where you load up your divison rival with futures. Leafs saved Habs if this rumour is true, would he the first time Habs management ignored a true need for fill a not as pressing one.

 

[OVO16]

David Pagnotta is nowhere near Eklund lmao. He's actually legit and definitely has sources idk why people on here get into debates about credibility. It's such a waste.

We all know who the NHL insiders are

 

[Zalos]

A bird in the hand is worth 2 in the bush.

He could be the next Gretzky. Or Yakupov. We dont know, because hes not even in the NHL yet.

But Knies is a 1st line power forward. I highly doubt any prospect/pick in this trade ends up a more valuable player

Is he?

 

[MasterMatt25]

These guys are saying that the report is false. Not sure if true but some things are not adding up.

Murphy and McGuire are not reliable

 

[KevSkillz4]

The thing I don't understand... Kent Hughes put the paper before 3pm, sooo... why decline the trade?? ONE GM put the paper before 3pm...

 

[BobClarkesfrontteeth]

It’s pretty clear Marner’s desire to leave the Leafs, and his newfound happiness and success away from them has had an impact on the current Leafs team. Obviously Matthews wants to leave too

May want to pump the brakes on the Marner hapiness.Your a Montreal fan you should know. He racked up points against the pillow fight Pacific in the first two rounds and Colorado simply fell apart from the beating they from Dallas and Minny. Yet Marner is a clearing over the glass away from crumbling give it time as Vegas is playing a healthy team now.

 

[CanMerc]

How do you feel about Friedman, then? Because Friedman basically corroborated almost everything Pagnotta said. Friedman added that the second prospect was not Hage and not Reinbacher. And then he said Mtl wants to circle back but Tor now has no appetite to do this.

There is way too much detail in this rumor to believe it's all b.s. now. So my conclusion is that the Maple Leafs dodged a MASSIVE bullet.

I have no real faith in any of them since Bob retired

 

[Phion Keneuf]

Is he?

Yes, easily.

 

[Zalos]

Yes, easily.

He hasn't gotten over 70 points yet. His overall numbers were awful last year. He also didn't look like he was trying.

I'm not trading the equivalent of four 1st round picks for Knies.

I'd rather get whatever Matthews is now for that price!

 

[Phion Keneuf]

He hasn't gotten over 70 points yet. His overall numbers were awful last year. He also didn't look like he was trying.

I'm not trading the equivalent of four 1st round picks for Knies.

I'd rather get whatever Matthews is now for that price!

He played through a knee injury all season, and he’s also 23 years old. Berube destroyed whatever offence we were generating.

That’s fine - he’s not going to be a Hab as that clearly passed. We’ll see how he does next year.

Matthews is not getting moved, and it would be for a lot more than the rumoured Knies deal if he was.

 

[Jag68Sid87]

I have no real faith in any of them since Bob retired

Fair.

 

[BallardEra]

This is EXACTLY why I wanted Treliving fired in December and at the latest by the Olympic break. Desperate GMs will make desperate trades to save their own ass.

I said the EXACT same thing to friends years ago about George McPhee and then he dropped Forsberg for Erat.