Rumor: Pagnotta: Keep an eye on DAL/NSH/VGK/CHI if Marner is shopped

[Apex Predator]

Dallas is weird to be on the list. I don’t see a fit there.

 

[AcerComputer]

Why would Vegas wanna gut their depth for an overpaid winger? You win cups with depth. The whole league seen that the no depth experiment didn't work in Toronto for 5 years and counting

The question was how can they make the trade and make the cap work.

 

[JKG33]

The question was how can they make the trade and make the cap work.

They can make it work.. by gutting their depth. 2-3 good players out just to fit in overrated Marner and a few league minimum players ain't worth it

 

[13pacheco31]

Because I think you'll be lucky to get even that.

I hate to be the one break to TML fans...again...but there isn't a tremendous amount of leverage from their side to get a high return to Marner. 31 teams know they want a major change, he has one year left and will want mega cash, he's a playoff ghost, he has a full NMC...there just isn't much room for them to press teams. The only thing they can bank on is another team saying "we want Marner". Now, sure, there will be teams after him, but it's not like it's going to turn into a bidding war with some of the returns being thrown around here by TML fans.

I think you'd be DAMN lucky to get Bourque+Bischel. Pulling two quality prospects and opening up $10mil in cap space would be a grand slam for Treliving. To the point where, now that I continue to think about it, I'm not entirely sure Dallas even does.

What did tkachuk get with only a year left and it being public that he wasn't resigning with Calgary? It seems like every year there's a player everyone says is going to be worth nothing in a trade and exceeds everyone's expectations, why is it always everyone seems this isn't the case when it's a leafs player and they always move the goal post on these threads to justify why they aren't good?

 

[AcerComputer]

They can make it work.. by gutting their depth. 2-3 good players out just to fit in overrated Marner and a few league minimum players ain't worth it

TOR could retain. Non issue. But will largely depend on how VGK feel about their expiring players, with 1 year left + Their current UFAs and who they want to bring back.

 

[Killer Orcas]

Dallas is weird to be on the list. I don’t see a fit there.

Gotta agree they are stacked 1-9 already don't need him or his cap hit.

 

[JKG33]

TOR could retain. Non issue. But will largely depend on how VGK feel about their expiring players, with 1 year left + Their current UFAs and who they want to bring back.

Retention only lasts for one year. And Marner is about the worst rental you can get with his useless-ness in the playoffs.

Any cup hopeful would be stupid to aquire Marner at what his cap hit demands are. The teams that care more about regular season performance (Anaheim, Chicago) aren't in a position to give in to Toronto fan's delusional asking prices for a UFA to be.

If Marner is traded some of you are going to be incredibly underwhelmed

 

[centipede2233]

Leafs fans are gonna be very underwhelmed with the return.

Marner holds the cards, and the other team has to pay him big money.

Marner doesn’t really hold all the cards. He’s in a contract year. If Toronto doesn’t want to sign marner, then the max years marner can get is 7. It’s actually in marner’s best interest to work with treliving on a destination like tkachuk did with Calgary. It’s mutually beneficial to both.

 

[TheBeard]

TOR could retain. Non issue. But will largely depend on how VGK feel about their expiring players, with 1 year left + Their current UFAs and who they want to bring back.

If Toronto is retaining then the price tag goes way up.

 

[AcerComputer]

Retention only lasts for one year. And Marner is about the worst rental you can get with his useless-ness in the playoffs.

Any cup hopeful would be stupid to aquire Marner at what his cap hit demands are. The teams that care more about regular season performance (Anaheim, Chicago) aren't in a position to give in to Toronto fan's delusional asking prices for a UFA to be.

If Marner is traded some of you are going to be incredibly underwhelmed

Man you're really working overtime to keep moving that goal post.

 

[belair]

TOR could retain. Non issue. But will largely depend on how VGK feel about their expiring players, with 1 year left + Their current UFAs and who they want to bring back.

That would be about as unorthodox trade from a contender as you could get.

The Leafs market has an expectation that they be a competitive roster year over year. And a Marner trade isn't going to change that.

This isn't a simple trade because his current contract limits the number of teams who would show considerable interest.

 

[JKG33]

Man you're really working overtime to keep moving that goal post.

Not moving it at all, I've been incredibly consistent with my anti-marner takes

 

[AcerComputer]

That would be about as unorthodox trade from a contender as you could get.

The Leafs market has an expectation that they be a competitive roster year over year. And a Marner trade isn't going to change that.

This isn't a simple trade because his current contract limits the number of teams who would show considerable interest.

Leafs would be getting Adin Hill + Theodore + Barbashev. Not completive enough for you?

Not moving it at all, I've been incredibly consistent with my anti-marner takes

So now we've swung from it's gutting their depth to you that you just hate Marner. Why not lead with that?

 

[93gilmour93]

l'm sorta hoping the Leafs say F it and Marner walks to free agency. lt would suck losing him for nothing, but the team needs a change.

Watch Mitch force the Leafs to keep him and the team goes " ok if you force us to keep you we will be using you in a different way cause after this year you will walk and we need to move forward with our players we have for the next years to come.

You now play on the second PP without Matthews and Nylander in your contract year which will give you less points on the season on top of losing the 8th year in any deal you sign. That means even less money because of the drop in production. If that works for you then by all means stay".

At that point its probably a good idea for Mitch to open up a bunch of options with a trade list of the teams that would trade for him.

Play a little hardball

 

[Space umpire]

Watch Mitch force the Leafs to keep him and the team goes " ok if you force us to keep you we will be using you in a different way cause after this year you will walk and we need to move forward with our players we have for the next years to come.

You now play on the second PP without Matthews and Nylander in your contract year which will give you less points on the season on top of losing the 8th year in any deal you sign. That means even less money because of the drop in production. If that works for you then by all means stay".

At that point its probably a good idea for Mitch to open up a bunch of options with a trade list of the teams that would trade for him.

Play a little hardball

Yes, because purposely hurting the team to hurt a guys career will endear the franchise to other potential players in the future.

 

[MCR74]

Watch Mitch force the Leafs to keep him and the team goes " ok if you force us to keep you we will be using you in a different way cause after this year you will walk and we need to move forward with our players we have for the next years to come.

You now play on the second PP without Matthews and Nylander in your contract year which will give you less points on the season on top of losing the 8th year in any deal you sign. That means even less money because of the drop in production. If that works for you then by all means stay".

At that point its probably a good idea for Mitch to open up a bunch of options with a trade list of the teams that would trade for him.

Play a little hardball

l'd do that. lf he wants it his way, so be it. All l know is offering this guy another contract is a real bad move, especially since he'll likely be shooting for the moon on his next deal.

 

[93gilmour93]

Yes, because purposely hurting the team to hurt a guys career will endear the franchise to other potential players in the future.

The players will understand the one off situation that happened and it won't stop anyone from coming in the future. If they did it to Tavares that's different cause he was a ufa that chose Toronto and they will honor that deal.

It will improve the PP and make the 2nd unit better with a motivated Marner scoring points for the new deal. No nights off when you don't get Auston or Willy to play with.

The only person that stands to lose in this scenario is Marner

 

[Unspecified]

Any Dallas offer would not include Johnston, Stank and likely Borque in terms of young guys.

 

[JKG33]

So now we've swung from it's gutting their depth to you that you just hate Marner. Why not lead with that?

Both things can be true

 

[TS Quint]

He got married last summer and I am pretty sure he was on honeymoon phase and dint' put in any work in the summer so he basically SUCKED last year given his cap hit

And still scored at a higher rate than Nylander. But Marner is the problem for so many Leafs fans.

 

[Mark Stones Spleen]

Don't know enough about Chicago, but the rest of the teams seem like they'd rather have guys that play hard in the playoffs.

 

[TS Quint]

What did tkachuk get with only a year left and it being public that he wasn't resigning with Calgary? It seems like every year there's a player everyone says is going to be worth nothing in a trade and exceeds everyone's expectations, why is it always everyone seems this isn't the case when it's a leafs player and they always move the goal post on these threads to justify why they aren't good?

I think Marner is good. His contract is bonkers. For what he gets paid he needs to elevate lesser players. Leafs big money players rarely do that.

 

[JianYang]

So Vegas is just allowed to ignore the cap now?

Hold my spleen.

 

[Sniper99]

This was actually in the athletic reported by Jonas Siegel, so unless you have a subscription to the athletic you’d miss it. The athletic is pretty good with their reporting. CJ also confirmed that last year Marner was open to waiving if asked but isn’t sure if that’s the case this season. So gtfo, look harder next time

Easy Rocky dont get all big and tough, gtfo with that. I dont have a subscription to The Athletic. They even say in the rules for this site that If there are rumors or "reports" to back it up with a link.

 

[Space umpire]

The players will understand the one off situation that happened and it won't stop anyone from coming in the future. If they did it to Tavares that's different cause he was a ufa that chose Toronto and they will honor that deal.

It will improve the PP and make the 2nd unit better with a motivated Marner scoring points for the new deal. No nights off when you don't get Auston or Willy to play with.

The only person that stands to lose in this scenario is Marner

I think you’re wrong. Don’t include the protection and then screw him over for using it. Other players WILL take note that an ntc or nmc won’t be “properly” honored in Toronto.