Pack your $#!@ and get out!

[SprDaVE]

Thinking in terms of our strength and what's expendable, I think Lupul is the player that fits most criterias and is at the top of my list. I can see a couple teams having strong interest in a top 6 winger that is signed to a fair deal. Injuries are the downfall, but I don't see that playing a huge deal in his value. I'm just amazed he hasn't been in the rumour mill at all in recent weeks.

I think Franson would be the next on my list. It's basically between him or Gardiner, and I value Gardiner a lot more due to his mobility and the ability to take over a game. Franson has had some ups and downs and shouldn't be discarded for nothing, but we need smarter defenders on this team and he just makes too many bone headed mistakes. Leafs seem to love what he brings though so I'm a little skeptical they are thinking like me. Gardiner would bring a lot more though so I guess it's worth exploring.

After that, there's nobody that I really want to trade at all cost, not including waste of roster spots like McLaren or Orr. If there are some great deals for a player like Bozak, Kadri, Kessel or Phaneuf on the table, then I would consider it if it makes sense to us. It would take a lot more any of them though.

 

[Mess]

Why Kessel he is the only player that showed he really cared. and is one of the best players in the game. Trading Kessel dosen't change the culture it puts us last in the nhl.

Putting us last would give us the best odds at Connor McDavid and give us a generational franchise center and a local boy as well to build around.

Bernier ---> Rielly ----> McDavid

Would make a solid trio of building from the net out.

 

[Cor]

Putting us last would give us the best odds at Connor McDavid and give us a generational franchise center and a local boy as well to build around.

Bernier ---> Rielly ----> McDavid

Would make a solid trio of building from the net out.

We were the worst team from the Olympic Break onwards. From Jan 1 to the end of the season we were a bottom 5 team.

We can get one of the centers WITH Kessel. The only reason we weren't this season is because Bernier playing ridiculous.

I'd much rather draft McDavid, or Eichel, or one of the other 3 top centers in next years draft, to play with Kessel, than, get one of the centers and then saying "boy, I wish we had a top winger to play with ______". Would be the same thing as the whole Sundin era.

Draft Nylander/Ritchie, Trade Lupul, let go of FA's like McClement, Bolland, Kulemin, Franson.

JVR - Bozak - Kessel
Nylander/Ritchie - Kadri - Clarkson
Komarov - Holland - D'Amigo
Hartikainen - Carrick - Ashton
Bodie

Gunnar - Phaneuf
Gardiner - Rielly
Gleason - Granberg
Ranger

Bernier.

We likely finish dead last, and get McDavid/Eichel, but we have a lot of youth moving forward, and in the next season, one of the best top lines in JVR, Kessel, and McDavid.

 

[siddy]

Out:

Clarkson
Franson
Orr
McLaren
McClement
Bolland
Gleason

 

[CalgaryLeaf*]

We were the worst team from the Olympic Break onwards. From Jan 1 to the end of the season we were a bottom 5 team.

We can get one of the centers WITH Kessel. The only reason we weren't this season is because Bernier playing ridiculous.

I'd much rather draft McDavid, or Eichel, or one of the other 3 top centers in next years draft, to play with Kessel, than, get one of the centers and then saying "boy, I wish we had a top winger to play with ______". Would be the same thing as the whole Sundin era.

Draft Nylander/Ritchie, Trade Lupul, let go of FA's like McClement, Bolland, Kulemin, Franson.

JVR - Bozak - Kessel
Nylander/Ritchie - Kadri - Clarkson
Komarov - Holland - D'Amigo
Hartikainen - Carrick - Ashton
Bodie

Gunnar - Phaneuf
Gardiner - Rielly
Gleason - Granberg
Ranger

Bernier.

We likely finish dead last, and get McDavid/Eichel, but we have a lot of youth moving forward, and in the next season, one of the best top lines in JVR, Kessel, and McDavid.

That Ritchie,Kadri,Clarkson line has potential...I'd just be worried that Clarkson won't be able to keep up with the other two. I think they'd need an upgrade over Clarkson on the #2 line like Lupul for instance. Lupul needs to step up his game next season and needs to be more aggressive...He seemed to be playing not to get hurt...When Lupes is aggressive he can be outstanding.

 

[Mess]

We were the worst team from the Olympic Break onwards. From Jan 1 to the end of the season we were a bottom 5 team.

We can get one of the centers WITH Kessel. The only reason we weren't this season is because Bernier playing ridiculous.

I'd much rather draft McDavid, or Eichel, or one of the other 3 top centers in next years draft, to play with Kessel, than, get one of the centers and then saying "boy, I wish we had a top winger to play with ______". Would be the same thing as the whole Sundin era.

Draft Nylander/Ritchie, Trade Lupul, let go of FA's like McClement, Bolland, Kulemin, Franson.

JVR - Bozak - Kessel
Nylander/Ritchie - Kadri - Clarkson
Komarov - Holland - D'Amigo
Hartikainen - Carrick - Ashton
Bodie

Gunnar - Phaneuf
Gardiner - Rielly
Gleason - Granberg
Ranger

Bernier.

We likely finish dead last, and get McDavid/Eichel, but we have a lot of youth moving forward, and in the next season, one of the best top lines in JVR, Kessel, and McDavid.

You think with Kessel & Phaneuf & Bernier we could finish 30th?

I think they simply keep the team trapped in mediocrity.. Not bad enough to bottom out and not good enough other than to squeak into the playoffs on occasion.

Dumping Phaneuf for futures and replacing him with a Marlie would have a bigger impact if the goal is McDavid\Eichel.

 

[Durrr]

That's where we'll never agree. IMO there's nothing elite about him. His resume agrees

Except you know, his actual career stats. Career ppg ratio of 0.544, tied with players like Letang, just below (0.03) elite players like Weber, and above elite players like Doughty and Chara. This after lower point totals resulting from a more defensive role.

 

[CalgaryLeaf*]

You think with Kessel & Phaneuf & Bernier we could finish 30th?

I think they simply keep the team trapped in mediocrity.. Not bad enough to bottom out and not good enough other than to squeak into the playoffs on occasion.

Dumping Phaneuf for futures and replacing him with a Marlie would have a bigger impact if the goal is McDavid\Eichel.

There's no possible way that Shanahan's goal would be to tank next season...I just don't see it...With Bernier in goal the team has a chance to win any game...That's a good place to be with a rebuilding franchise.

 

[Cor]

You think with Kessel & Phaneuf & Bernier we could finish 30th?

I think they simply keep the team trapped in mediocrity.. Not bad enough to bottom out and not good enough other than to squeak into the playoffs on occasion.

Dumping Phaneuf for futures and replacing him with a Marlie would have a bigger impact if the goal is McDavid\Eichel.

I think we will see some regression from Bernier as teams figure him out and he needs to adjust his game. He certainly won't play at the level next season. (and that's not being negative, just a natural part of any young players development)

3 players can't prevent a team from finishing low. Look at the players around them. Other then our top line not much scoring power. Defense is highly inexperienced.

My whole point is, don't trade Kessel. The point of getting McDavid/Eichel is to have that superstar center to play with Kessel. To get our Toews to our Kane.

You could deal Dion, and it will almost secure us a bottom 2 finish, but then we will just be looking for that #1D to play with Morgan Rielly.

 

[Mess]

There's no possible way that Shanahan's goal would be to tank next season...I just don't see it...With Bernier in goal the team has a chance to win any game...That's a good place to be with a rebuilding franchise.

I personally don't think tanking is the plan. If it is then we would be able to tell at the draft if vets are moved for picks and prospects.

If Phaneuf or Kessel are dealt I expect a similar return of a player(s) that could have an immediate impact only change the identity and dynamics..

ie. Phaneuf to LA for Mike Richards and then give him the "C". Or Kessel & Franson in a trade involving Logan Couture & Brent Burns for hypothetical examples..

 

[Cor]

Yeah, the draft is the teller in my opinion. We are bound to see some deals from Nonis, and those will indicate what the goal is.

 

[ACC1224]

There's no possible way that Shanahan's goal would be to tank next season...I just don't see it...With Bernier in goal the team has a chance to win any game...That's a good place to be with a rebuilding franchise.

They won't tank, nor should they.

Some are so wrapped up in the Draft that they feel you should tank every year.

 

[ShaneFalco]

I don't think there;s any chance the Leafs trade off guys like Kessel and Phaneuf and completely rebuild. Shannahan has already stated he likes some of the pieces on this team.
And if he's saying he wants Bolland back...... you don't even go there if a rebuild is planned.

Having said that, I have no clue what the direction of this team is

 

[CalgaryLeaf*]

I don't think there;s any chance the Leafs trade off guys like Kessel and Phaneuf and completely rebuild. Shannahan has already stated he likes some of the pieces on this team.
And if he's saying he wants Bolland back...... you don't even go there if a rebuild is planned.

Having said that, I have no clue what the direction of this team is

I get your point but...(slightly off-topic)...If he wants Bolland back it'll be at a price Shanny thinks is reasonable and I just don't see how he fits under the cap as a 4M+ 3rd line center.

 

[Suntouchable13]

I don't think there;s any chance the Leafs trade off guys like Kessel and Phaneuf and completely rebuild. Shannahan has already stated he likes some of the pieces on this team.
And if he's saying he wants Bolland back...... you don't even go there if a rebuild is planned.

Having said that, I have no clue what the direction of this team is

I don't like the direction if they are planning on having 13+mil tied up in Clarkson, Bolland, and Bozak.

 

[member 147413]

My 5

1. Phaneuf
2. Clarkson
3. Franson
4. Orr
5. Lupul

HM Gleason

 

[Trapper]

I get your point but...(slightly off-topic)...If he wants Bolland back it'll be at a price Shanny thinks is reasonable and I just don't see how he fits under the cap as a 4M+ 3rd line center.

Seriously though, if Bolland costs too much, if Stastny costs too much, what is the plan and where is the predicted finish?
You are running with Bozak,Kadri,Holland down the middle. No offense but is the plan to make the playoffs? You might as well move players like Lupul/Phaneuf and let the rest play out. Even with Kessel scoring 30 goals that wont be enough to make it. Now throw in the rumors of possibly moving Kadri. You might not call it a tank but certainly this team isn't good enough and every analyst would predict a bottom 10 finish.

 

[ShaneFalco]

I don't like the direction if they are planning on having 13+mil tied up in Clarkson, Bolland, and Bozak.

It makes no sense
Add Lupul and Gleason in there and..... yikes

 

[thewave]

Trades considering

Out

Dion
Lupul
Gleason
Reimer
Franson
Bolland
Kulemin
Raymond
JMc
Mc
Orr
Bozak

Bolland Kules and Raymond can stay for sweet deals but that won't happen. Bozak can stay if Kessel throws a fit.

 

[CalgaryLeaf*]

Seriously though, if Bolland costs too much, if Stastny costs too much, what is the plan and where is the predicted finish?
You are running with Bozak,Kadri,Holland down the middle. No offense but is the plan to make the playoffs? You might as well move players like Lupul/Phaneuf and let the rest play out. Even with Kessel scoring 30 goals that wont be enough to make it. Now throw in the rumors of possibly moving Kadri. You might not call it a tank but certainly this team isn't good enough and every analyst would predict a bottom 10 finish.

It's difficult to know exactly what Shanahan is thinking and how he wants to rebuild this team...I don't think he wants to strip it down dramatically by moving a ton of pieces out and getting only draft picks or very young prospects in return,but we'll soon find out.

The dramatic stripdown approach will likely land them in the lottery again.

We know that Nonis doesn't want another total rebuild...Nonis has often said that if he trades a Kadri for instance (young player), he wants a young player of equal talent back..NOT a draft pick that'll take 2-3 years to develop.

Again,Nonis is no longer in charge and I don't know what Shanny will do.

It should be an interesting off-season.

 

[Purity*]

The player that will give us the best return in comparison to his impact on the roster. That's the only thing that matters.



Can't believe people think this actually has even a slight chance of happening.

People REALLY need to **** with the Steven Stamkos pipedream.

IF there are people who are actually holding their breath for it, suffocation is inevitable.


The unwarranted Dion hate is also getting incredibly annoying. He was overworked this year with a poor supporting cast. Aside from him, Gunnar was the ONLY other D-man who could actually defend worth a damn.

I agree with some of the earlier posts, find another defensive D-man, reduce Dion's minutes, give him more offensive zone time and his contract will look better. Listing him over Clarkson is pure madness. If there's people who would honestly take Clarkson over Dion at this point they really don't know anything about hockey or just don't watch the Leafs. Dion is a quality defensemen, I don't give a **** what anyone says. Clarkson is pure garbage who is devoid of any hockey skill whatsoever.


Oh yeah, and Mason Raymond can be shown the door as well. Wasn't a fan at all of his ridiculously selfish playing style.

 

[cannucky]

with 10 unsigned players and 22mil in cap space some of these bad contracts have to go , you can argue that letting guys like Ranger and Reimer go frees up money for the the remaining guys but you still have to pay someone to play those positions and good players don't usually play for league minimum . A better solution is what everybody seems to have as the same top 3 first out the door list - Phaneuf , Clarkson and Franson = minimum 14.5 mil , I say Bolland and Raymond can both stay if they will play cheap otherwise they can watch the games on TV because there's just to many good character guys like them out there who will play cheap to stay in the game . Getting them to play for 1-2 mil a year each would leave us at least 32mil for 11 roster spots which means we can afford to pay a Stastny plus a #1 Dman , resign some of our character players and have the flexibility to rotate some of the kids in and out of the lineup , as it stand we won't have the space to call any of the kids up when we need or want them .

PS: My first out the door guy is Nonuts for putting us in this stupid position in the first place , I could live with Pylon for another year if he hadn't overpaid across the board on pretty much every deal he has signed .

 

[GordieHoweHatTrick]

Franson and Clarkson. Dumb and Dumber

 

[BillyD]

Everyone. Ship out everybody. All the draft picks!




I think you're going to be disappointed my friend.


The Leafs still sound like they want to try to make the playoffs next year. Tough to imagine a scenario where they trade Phaneuf and come out of it a better team next year.

nonis and shanny promised culture change at shanny's first presser

if you keep the coach that means your NTC-less (for the summer) captain is going, the stuff they said after is posturing to keep up his trade value

 

[Drugstorecowboi]

In No Particular Order:

Dave Nonis
Dave Poulin
Calude Loiselle
Randy Carlyle
Steve Kasper
Dave Morrison
Mike Penny
Tom Watt
Rob Cowie
Mike Palmateer
George Armstrong
John Lilley
Garth Malarchuk
Alan Power
Gary Harker
Scott Carter
Pierre Rioux
Roy Stasiuk
John McMorrow
Darryl Stanley
Bud Stefanski
Dave Shyiak
Pat Dapuzzo
Joe Gibbs
Thommie Bergman
Jari Gronstrand
Peter Ihnacak