Proposal: Pacioretty to ANA

[Pierre Lebrun]

ANA trades: Rakell + Fowler

MTL trades: Pacioretty

Cap hits work for both sides. ANA gets their top line LWer. Habs get a prospect winger who produces, and a D man who produces, goal totals equate to Pacioretty's production.

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[dracom]

No because the Ducks most likely end up losing Pacioretty when he hits FA.

 

[hawksrule]

i'm sure Habs fans will love getting quantity for quality.

 

[dracom]

i'm sure Habs fans will love getting quantity for quality.

acting as if Rakell and Fowler aren't quality pieces lol

 

[Pierre Lebrun]

i'm sure Habs fans will love getting quantity for quality.

I'm a Habs fan and think this is fair.

 

[ProspectsSTC]

Yeah I'd do this as a habs fan.

 

[Duck Off]

No from Anaheim. Patches fills a big need for us, but trading Rakell just opens up another hole. That along with the hit this would do to the D makes it a no from us.

 

[PhoenyX]

I love Pacs and he has a great contract (then again so does Fowler and Rakell is still an RFA), but I think this trade makes the Ducks a worse team. We won't be able to afford to resign Pacs anyways.

Good value though. Definitely one of the better proposals I have seen lately.

 

[hawksrule]

Yeah I'd do this as a habs fan.

I guess I like Pacioretty more than you guys, lol.

 

[RangerBoy]

You can have Nash for Rakell and Fowler.

 

[dracom]

You can have Nash for Rakell and Fowler.

We don't want Nash. Nash doesn't even get one of Rakell or Fowler

 

[Elvs]

As a Ducks fans I'd have to think long and hard about this proposal. The window is closing and Pacioretty makes us better short term, no doubt. But as it has already been said, the Ducks won't afford re-signing him in 2019.

Now of course, Montreal could lose Fowler in 2018 so in that sense it's fair. But I think they'll have a much better chance re-signing him than the Ducks would have at re-signing Pacioretty, since cap space would be a problem.

How high are Habs fans on Martin Reway? Any chance you'd throw him in there as well?

 

[Pierre Lebrun]

As a Ducks fans I'd have to think long and hard about this proposal. The window is closing and Pacioretty makes us better short term, no doubt. But as it has already been said, the Ducks won't afford re-signing him in 2019.

Now of course, Montreal could lose Fowler in 2018 so in that sense it's fair. But I think they'll have a much better chance re-signing him than the Ducks would have at re-signing Pacioretty, since cap space would be a problem.

How high are Habs fans on Martin Reway? Any chance you'd throw him in there as well?

I'd throw him in... he's got a ton of talent and upside is good but sort of unknown. He just dropped from camp because of a heart illness though.. not sure that impacts anything.

 

[Duck Off]

As a Ducks fans I'd have to think long and hard about this proposal. The window is closing and Pacioretty makes us better short term, no doubt. But as it has already been said, the Ducks won't afford re-signing him in 2019.

Now of course, Montreal could lose Fowler in 2018 so in that sense it's fair. But I think they'll have a much better chance re-signing him than the Ducks would have at re-signing Pacioretty, since cap space would be a problem.

How high are Habs fans on Martin Reway? Any chance you'd throw him in there as well?

I don't think removing Rakell and Fowler makes us better, even with Patches. It makes the D significantly worse, and no Rakell is another hole in the lineup.

Not being able to sign him wouldn't be the reason I'd say no to this. I just don't think it makes us better. That said, this is a good proposal so props to the OP.

 

[CharlesHabsFan]

While value is fair, props on that OP, I would decline as a Habs fan. It is absolutely unwise to assess a defensive hole by creating a huge offensive hole. We unfortunatly need much much more offense than finding a top pairing LD to play with Weber. I don't think Rakell is ready to fill in those shoes yet.

Still, a good proposal nonetheless.

 

[rhinoshawarma]

Not bad but we're not that much in need of a LD upgrade just yet, unless Markov retires during the season. And downgrading at forward isnt an option for us

Decent but i'd decline as a habs fan

 

[smirob]

I think the value is fair, and tempting from a habs pov.

Our D prospects are better than our fwd prospects imo. Losing Max creates a big hole upfront and I think our holes on the backend can be fixed internally in 1-2 years.

That being said, I wouldn't be distraught if this happened.

 

[Elvs]

I don't think removing Rakell and Fowler makes us better, even with Patches. It makes the D significantly worse, and no Rakell is another hole in the lineup.

Not being able to sign him wouldn't be the reason I'd say no to this. I just don't think it makes us better. That said, this is a good proposal so props to the OP.

We lose a forward and add a forward, in that sense I don't see how losing Rakell creates a hole. Obviously the defense gets worse, but people have been expecting to lose Fowler all summer.

The only way it doesn't happen is if Murray somehow finds a way to re-sign Lindholm and Rakell with whatever cap space remains. Or if he somehow finds a way to deal Stoner, Bieksa or Despres without taking any steep contract in return.

 

[idiroft]

Don't know much about Pacioretty, but isn't he a floater like Bobby Ryan?

 

[Elvs]

I'd throw him in... he's got a ton of talent and upside is good but sort of unknown. He just dropped from camp because of a heart illness though.. not sure that impacts anything.

Gosh, I had no idea about this. Just googled it and it sounds like he could miss the whole season, if he ever comes back at all.

This is awful news. I always followed his progress as I was really impressed with him in the World Juniors. Hockey in Slovakia just can't catch a break, even if that's the smallest concern here. Hopefully he makes a full recovery.

 

[Paul4587]

That's a steep price. Is the difference between Pacioretty and Rakell really worth Fowler? And how much longer is Pacioretty an upgrade over Rakell for?

 

[KingTux]

i'm sure Habs fans will love getting quantity for quality.

Its quality for quality. A young top 3 defenseman and a young top 6 forward for a top line player is fair value.

The Habs might need to add a little something as well.

Don't know much about Pacioretty, but isn't he a floater like Bobby Ryan?

I'm sure he can spell intensity

- He is less flashy but more effective.
- He isn't a work horse nor a physical player.
- When he isn't scoring, he is not very useful.
- OK defensively (overrated by some of us IMO).
- But he can score some goals that no one on our team can, and he is a consistent player.
- He won't wow you but will end up with a goal and a pass somehow.
- He is a 30 goals, 60 points winger with responsible defensive coverage on a cheap contract.

 

[Lebowski]

As a Habs fan that's the kind of deal that'd make me stop and think.

 

[glenbuis]

any way we can make it vatanen and rakell instead of fowler. we can sweeten with reway and a late pick.

 

[Donzo]

No because the Ducks most likely end up losing Pacioretty when he hits FA.

I don't have a strong opinion on the proposal, but Pacioretty has 3 years left on his deal, so it's not like he's a rental.