Prospect Info: Owen Beck

[DAChampion]

They're not trading Beck for Cozens.

Plus the reports around Montreal are basically they got in the discussion but there isn't really a fit for what the Sabres want, which is a mix of young roster players and futures and it seems Detroit is really leading the charge.

Hasn't Hughes really run a tight ship thus far and thus we wouldn't actually know?

 

[WeThreeKings]

Hasn't Hughes really run a tight ship thus far and thus we wouldn't actually know?

I think we can make a reasonable guess that he's not trading Owen Beck for an underperforming 7.1m cap hit.

 

[yianik]

I've learned a lot with guys like Beck over the years. They almost never reach that high end potential and it takes them a long time if they do. You can apply that to both Danault and Evans. Lehkonen is another. These are names we are picking that reach or come close to reaching their ceiling level. But then you can look at guys like Poehling. It's too easy today to say Beck is "way better" than Poehling pre NHL. Both were B+ guys with decent potential pre NHL.

I see what you see in Beck but if you that kind of hope in Beck, you should also have it with Cozens. Pumping Beck and deflating Cozens is evident here.

I just like Beck , for reasons given, but am no talent evaluator. I think Dach and Cozens are kind of similar. I pointed out Cozens' best year was a bit boosted by an above average shooting % and that's just a fact.

I'm just not interested in moving Beck for Cozens. Could I be wrong ? Yup, for sure. I mean who the heck am I ? I'm not going to die on that hill. Just my 2 cents.

 

[le_sean]

I think we can make a reasonable guess that he's not trading Owen Beck for an underperforming 7.1m cap hit.

They won’t. If people are loving the season Evans is having, just wait until that’s a normal season for Beck as opposed to the outlier that it is for Jake.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I just like Beck , for reasons given, but am no talent evaluator. I think Dach and Cozens are kind of similar. I pointed out Cozens' best year was a bit boosted by an above average shooting % and that's just a fact.

I'm just not interested in moving Beck for Cozens. Could I be wrong ? Yup, for sure. I mean who the heck am I ? I'm not going to die on that hill. Just my 2 cents.

It's all good. None of us know the future with all 3... Dach, Cozens, and Beck. All we can do is take our best guess at what we see today. At the end of the day, these are secondary core parts.

 

[Rapala]

Beck looks to be much further ahead of where Evans was at the same age.

He is and when his coach says he can play with anyone you can't get a higher compliment than that for a rookie center iceman. I like the fact that he steps in and plays a wing like he's done it his entire life.
Something Kapanen struggled with and which ultimately got him send home.

 

[habmercy]

Beck has impressed me the last couple of games. It would be nice to keep him around for a while but with Heineman likely back after the break he will probably go back down. He could add some life to Dach's game along with Newhook. He plays with a lot of energy. Too early to tell where he will end up but he looks like a keeper. Looks like a largers isze Gallagher.

 

[HuGort]

I just like Beck , for reasons given, but am no talent evaluator. I think Dach and Cozens are kind of similar. I pointed out Cozens' best year was a bit boosted by an above average shooting % and that's just a fact.

I'm just not interested in moving Beck for Cozens. Could I be wrong ? Yup, for sure. I mean who the heck am I ? I'm not going to die on that hill. Just my 2 cents.

No Cozens not for me. Had one outliner year with huge contract. It's going to be another mistake. I'm tired of bringing in somebody's problem child.

 

[yianik]

No Cozens not for me. Had one outliner year with huge contract. It's going to be another mistake. I'm tired of bringing in somebody's problem child.

I'm not keen on him, or Casey Mittlestadt that's now being thrown around. I'd rather ride it out to the summer and then address the C issue if Dach hasn't picked it up. I mean unless an opportunity pops up.

 

[ChesterNimitz]

Beck has impressed me the last couple of games. It would be nice to keep him around for a while but with Heineman likely back after the break he will probably go back down. He could add some life to Dach's game along with Newhook. He plays with a lot of energy. Too early to tell where he will end up but he looks like a keeper. Looks like a largers isze Gallagher.

Beck is not the same type of player as Gallagher. He’s bigger, faster and plays a much more dynamic game than Gallagher. The team already has a larger sized replacement for Gallagher in Laval: Davidson, who should be pushing for place on the team as early as next fall.

 

[Habs Halifax]

Beck looks to be much further ahead of where Evans was at the same age.

I will agree with that for sure but maybe Beck gets to Evan's level (what we see today) a few years earlier. Age 25 vs 28 for example?

We will see... Beck is going to start out from the bottom and work hard to move up. Like Suzuki did. Suzuki started 4th line RW in the NHL... didn't last long.

Beck is not the same type of player as Gallagher. He’s bigger, faster and plays a much more dynamic game than Gallagher. The team already has a larger sized replacement for Gallagher in Laval: Davidson, who should be pushing for place on the team as early as next fall.

Would you say Beck is a Suzuki light type? Smart like Suzuki and a true type center but not as much offense? If not Suzuki, who would you compare him to?

 

[ChesterNimitz]

Would you say Beck is a Suzuki light type? Smart like Suzuki and a true type center but not as much offense? If not Suzuki, who would you compare him to?

I never thought of it that way but your characterization of Beck as being Suzuki- light may be spot on. I think at the same stage of their respective developments, Beck has an edge on Suzuki: Beck’s faster and stronger. But Suzuki did pick up that extra gear that allowed him to evolve into a number 1 center in the NHL. Suzuki is also one of the smartest players on the team, if not in the league. Will Beck ever be able to match Suzuki’s production? That’s a bit of a reach as of now. But this kid is sure-fire NHLer whose skills and effectiveness will only grow in the future.

 

[yianik]

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I will agree with that for sure but maybe Beck gets to Evan's level (what we see today) a few years earlier. Age 25 vs 28 for example?

We will see... Beck is going to start out from the bottom and work hard to move up. Like Suzuki did. Suzuki started 4th line RW in the NHL... didn't last long.



Would you say Beck is a Suzuki light type? Smart like Suzuki and a true type center but not as much offense? If not Suzuki, who would you compare him to?

Beck is definitely smart but I don't think he has the execution tools of Suzuki in stickhandling and passing. I think he is Danault but more physical , with at least the same skill set, maybe better but that's TBD. So I think he is a guy who could be defensively very good and annoying to play against who could also score 20 goals and 50-60 points if all goes well. And great at face offs.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I never thought of it that way but your characterization of Beck as being Suzuki- light may be spot on. I think at the same stage of their respective developments, Beck has an edge on Suzuki: Beck’s faster and stronger. But Suzuki did pick up that extra gear that allowed him to evolve into a number 1 center in the NHL. Suzuki is also one of the smartest players on the team, if not in the league. Will Beck ever be able to match Suzuki’s production? That’s a bit of a reach as of now. But this kid is sure-fire NHLer whose skills and effectiveness will only grow in the future.

Seems like we have more hope in Beck reaching 2C levels than we did with Poehling (pre NHL)? Valid hope or a reach? I guess we are going to have to let Beck show us what he is made out of.

Definitely a NHL player. Just not sure where he maxes out at. Suzuki-Light or Danault ish might be the right labeling for what we see today

 

[Rapala]

I'm not keen on him, or Casey Mittlestadt that's now being thrown around. I'd rather ride it out to the summer and then address the C issue if Dach hasn't picked it up. I mean unless an opportunity pops up.

Dach isn't playing the role of a center so how can we assume he'll be fine as a center. We have come to the point in the season where answering questions for next year is the most important thing we can work on now.
Number one top of the agenda is fixing our hole at 2C not RD which so many people are speculating on.

Personally I think Dach is a winger but if we are to find out if he can play 2C he has to play 2C not this hybrid shit we are seeing. That means Heineman up and Newhook down so there can be no confusion as to who's role it is. If not then put him on Suzuki's RW and see if we can salvage the last part of his season some how.
Slaf can put on his big boy shoes and go try to drive another line and work his way back up.

 

[vokiel]

Beck has impressed me the last couple of games. It would be nice to keep him around for a while but with Heineman likely back after the break he will probably go back down. He could add some life to Dach's game along with Newhook. He plays with a lot of energy. Too early to tell where he will end up but he looks like a keeper. Looks like a largers isze Gallagher.

You have the TDL that may change the roster also. I wouldn't be surprised if he's still with the club or back with the club before it closes.

 

[Scriptor]

Dach isn't playing the role of a center so how can we assume he'll be fine as a center. We have come to the point in the season where answering questions for next year is the most important thing we can work on now.
Number one top of the agenda is fixing our hole a 2C not RD which so many people are speculating on.

Personally I think Dach is a winger but if we are to find out if he can play 2C he has to play 2C not this hybrid shit we are seeing. That means Heineman up and Newhook down so there can be no confusion as to who's role it is. If not then put him on Suzuki's RW and see if we can salvage the last part of his season some how.
Slaf can put on his big boy shoes and go try to drive another line and work his way back up.

It's clearer and clearer that Dach doesn't have the skillset to excel as a C in the top-6. I'm pretty sure he's seeing that picture take fqrm as well, even if, after getting benched, Dach claimed that he knew exactly what he had to do to be the player he needs to be to stay in the top-6.

If he has to choose between being a 3rd line player and a top-6 player (including the bigger dollars that comes with playing on the top-6.), I'm pretty sure he will resign himself to playing RW on a line with Caufield and Suzuki.

Everything would at least be settled for the start of next season if Demidov was a C, but, although he has played C a little nit as younger player and although he claims enjoys playing C, I'm not advocating to play games like we did with Drouin.

Just for shits and giggles, this top-6 could be interesting:

Caufield - Suzuki - Dach
Slafkovsky - Demidov - Laine

Otherwise, we need a real 2C and could ice the following lineup:

Caufield - Suzuki - Dach
Slafkovsky - 2C - Demidov
Heineman - Beck - Laine
Anderson- Davidson - Gallagher

There seems be less and less room in the lineup for Roy and I'mwondering if he will play another complete season in Laval while we see what happens with Laine?

 

[ChesterNimitz]

It's clearer and clearer that Dach doesn't have the skillset to excel as a C in the top-6. I'm pretty sure he's seeing that picture take fqrm as well, even if, after getting benched, Dach claimed that he knew exactly what he had to do to be the player he needs to be to stay in the top-6.

If he has to choose between being a 3rd line player and a top-6 player (including the bigger dollars that comes with playing on the top-6.), I'm pretty sure he will resign himself to playing RW on a line with Caufield and Suzuki.

Everything would at least be settled for the start of next season if Demidov was a C, but, although he has played C a little nit as younger player and although he claims enjoys playing C, I'm not advocating to play games like we did with Drouin.

Just for shits and giggles, this top-6 could be interesting:

Caufield - Suzuki - Dach
Slafkovsky - Demidov - Laine

Otherwise, we need a real 2C and could ice the following lineup:

Caufield - Suzuki - Dach
Slafkovsky - 2C - Demidov
Heineman - Beck - Laine
Anderson- Davidson - Gallagher

There seems be less and less room in the lineup for Roy and I'mwondering if he will play another complete season in Laval while we see what happens with Laine?

Just some quick comments.

Dach does not have the skating mobility, agility and quickness to play effectively as a center in the NHL.

The same could be said of Davidson. While he could fill in when needed at centre (as could Dach) Davidson's future in the NHL is as a hard-skating, high energy, physical winger who has an excellent shot.

I fear we have seen the best of Laine who rode an emotional high when he first arrived and used his elite shooting ability to blast his way into the fans' hearts and unrealistic expectations. Teams have now adapted to Laine's presence on the power play and his effectiveness has fallen off the map. Laine's ineffectiveness on the power play now matches his ineffectiveness 5 on 5.

With the emergence of Heineman and Beck, the coming promise of Demidov, Hage, Kapanen and Davidson and the likelihood of Hughes being active in the free-agency market, there seems to be little room for the one dimensional Roy.

Also you haven't factored in Tuch, who is Laval's best skating forward. If he shows well at next year's camp, he may well push for a roster spot that will necessitate a trade.

The character/culture/skillset of this team is changing. Hughes and MSL are building a team built around skill and speed. The days where Pezzeta level, fringe players populated the roster are quickly coming to an end.

It should be a good show to watch.

 

[Deebs]

Just some quick comments.

Dach does not have the skating mobility, agility and quickness to play effectively as a center in the NHL.

I fear we have seen the best of Laine who rode an emotional high when he first arrived and used his Elite shooting ability to blast his way into the fans' hearts and unrealistic expectations. Teams have now adapted to Laine's presence on the power play and his effectiveness has fallen off the map. Laine's ineffectiveness on the power play now matches his ineffectiveness 5 on 5.

A couple of comments on your comments lol

The Dach skating issue i disagree with because I don't believe it is an issue, in fact, it's one of his strengths, especially given his size. Coming off major knee surgery and he's still moving this well is a testament to that. A full offseason training program will only help him moving forward. He may have shortcomings but skating isn't one of them...imo of course.

Laine is coming off a knee injury as well, so just like Kirby, we haven't seen the best of him yet which is such a weird take. Now, I've never been his biggest fan but I'm also fair and to say something like that is kind of ridiculous. Imo, Laine is a party trick aka, a PP specialist. To offset teams taking him away, our coaches and other players need to do more on their behalf, which we haven't done. It would be very similar to Washington with Ovi. Movement and deception....we need more of it. He needs to play down in the lineup and limited to offensive zone starts. Does he have a future with us....not sure.

 

[WeThreeKings]

A couple of comments on your comments lol

The Dach skating issue i disagree with because I don't believe it is an issue, in fact, it's one of his strengths, especially given his size. Coming off major knee surgery and he's still moving this well is a testament to that. A full offseason training program will only help him moving forward. He may have shortcomings but skating isn't one of them...imo of course.

Laine is coming off a knee injury as well, so just like Kirby, we haven't seen the best of him yet which is such a weird take. Now, I've never been his biggest fan but I'm also fair and to say something like that is kind of ridiculous. Imo, Laine is a party trick aka, a PP specialist. To offset teams taking him away, our coaches and other players need to do more on their behalf, which we haven't done. It would be very similar to Washington with Ovi. Movement and deception....we need more of it. He needs to play down in the lineup and limited to offensive zone starts. Does he have a future with us....not sure.

and I'd add that there's some clear skating evaluation issues here if the poster is talking about Tuch being one of our better skating prospects in the AHL. Tuch's feet have come a way but they are not a strength and no one would ever look at Tuch and Dach and conclude that Tuch is a better skater.

 

[Scriptor]

Thorpe is really the wild card to look at in coming years, from what I've been reading up on the youngster.