Prospect Info: Owen Beck

[badfish]

Way Jeff Gorton was talking yesterday he's very high on Laval talent.

I noticed he didn't mention Beck's name, but I also got this impression.

 

[Ozmodiar]

Roy's predicament is a familiar story: elite hands and AHL level skating. It would have been much better for Roy for it to have been the other way around.

The other way around?
That’s Beck. Or it was. He’s working on it.

If you have the skating, it buys time to hone the other skills. It’s the kernel for shooting, checking and stick handling.

 

[The Last Red]

I noticed he didn't mention Beck's name, but I also got this impression.

I think it was unintentional.

1st overall in the Q draft, 119pts in 66 games at 18, game-winning assist of the WJC final... he's literally a nobody.

The Q is a crap league so 1OA is not a huge deal. He’s a very slow skater.

 

[ChesterNimitz]

Simon Snake Boisvert such a idiot to call him a bad player and see him only as a 4C lol!

This guy have legit 2C // 3C potential at this point. His season with Laval so far show really really great promising. He is a two-way beast. Great offensive tools aswell. Great shot. Great IQ.

This guy is a very good hockey player and he will make Simon Snake Boisvert looking like a dumb shit! Lol

I think in Boisvert’s case it’s already a case of ‘mission accomplished’.

 

[Beendair Donedat]

This guy is a very good hockey player and he will make Simon Snake Boisvert looking like a dumb shit! Lol

Boisvert has no need for Beck’s help for this, he’s accomplished that long before Beck was ever around.

 

[schwang26]

which still leaves us without a true #1 C after 30 years, how sad and pathetic.

He has been improving every year. He may not hit 100 points, but I can see 90. I’d say that’s #1 centre

 

[NotProkofievian]

He has been improving every year. He may not hit 100 points, but I can see 90. I’d say that’s #1 centre

Who? Beck?

 

[David Suzuki]

Simon Snake Boisvert such a idiot to call him a bad player and see him only as a 4C lol!

I am 99 percent sure Boisvert just hockey db scouts and that's about it

 

[Habs]

He has been improving every year. He may not hit 100 points, but I can see 90. I’d say that’s #1 centre

Bro, Beck isn't a 90pt player, that's Bedard/Celebrini hype levels.. Eichel.. lol, those C's you find with #1 picks.

 

[Sorinth]

Pretty sure the 90pt level is in reference to Suzuki not Beck.
1C - Suzuki
2C - Hage
3C - Beck

It's perfectly fine if everyone hits, but that's certainly a big question mark.

 

[schwang26]

Who? Beck?

lol! Suzuki

Bro, Beck isn't a 90pt player, that's Bedard/Celebrini hype levels.. Eichel.. lol, those C's you find with #1 picks.

He was complaining about Suzuki not being a number 1

 

[Habs]

lol! Suzuki


He was complaining about Suzuki not being a number 1

oh lol, makes more sense.

 

[Toene]

Snake Boisvert saying Beck is a 4th liner while gushing over prospects not even drafted yet. Beck was the most sought out player at the OHL deadline and killed it at the Mem cup.

 

[1909]

Beck will be a top 9 for sure. He’s got not only the skills, but the drive.

 

[JadedRandom]

Beck will be a top 9 for sure. He’s got not only the skills, but the drive.

Not only that, but he's been improving virtually every game out there for the Rocket. And that constant development curve isn't to be underestimated.

I've seen worse prospects as AHL rookies end up NHL top-6 centers with continuous development so who's to say Beck won't also show that type of progression?

 

[Tyson]

You and Rapala bring up great points! One thing that Rapala said is even when Beck isn't bringing his typical "A" game he still brings other things. Sometimes your "B" game is just as important.
Also Admiral I am seeing more to Beck's game than bottom 6 potential. Maybe he tops out as a 3rd line center but I think his upside is higher than that.

Anyone who wants to see Beck's potential should watch this

 

[ChesterNimitz]

Anyone who wants to see Beck's potential should watch this

It's refreshing to read/view an analyst who actually watches and assesses a players strengths, attributes and potential and just not parroting the conventional /accepted wisdoms about a player.

What this analyst is doing is exactly what my staff and I do with respect to the athletes in my organization: we watch and determine how any player influences the game and the players around him. We watch and assesses a player's overall skating ability, his acceleration, his top speed, can he gain separation, his ability to drive the play, his strength on his skates, does he slow down once the puck is on his stick, his agility, his offensive vision, how quickly he processes the play, his ability to receive a pass under pressure, his shot, does he shy away from contact and what is his overall compete level.

Watching this video shows an insightful approach to understanding a player's current strengths and potential. I doubt most of the usual talking heads engage in this intellectual and in-depth analysis.

 

[Tyson]

It's refreshing to read/view an analyst who actually watches and assesses a players strengths, attributes and potential and just not parroting the conventional /accepted wisdoms about a player.

What this analyst is doing is exactly what my staff and I do with respect to the athletes in my organization: we watch and determine how any player influences the game and the players around him. We watch and assesses a player's overall skating ability, his acceleration, his top speed, can he gain separation, his ability to drive the play, his strength on his skates, does he slow down once the puck is on his stick, his agility, his offensive vision, how quickly he processes the play, his ability to receive a pass under pressure, his shot, does he shy away from contact and what is his overall compete level.

Watching this video shows an insightful approach to understanding a player's current strengths and potential. I doubt most of the usual talking heads engage in this intellectual and in-depth analysis.

Yeah watching this was really eye opening.

 

[dackelljuneaubulis02]

Anyone who wants to see Beck's potential should watch this

What I always wanted to see from him is top6 C worthy passing. I can see that now from him.

He’s gonna be fantastic. The skating, motor, shot, physicality.

People gonna tell me he couldn’t be a great compliment to Laine and Demidov?

I’m not giving up on Dach but Beck is great insurance without even mentioning Hage

 

[Goalfield13]

Snake Boisvert saying Beck is a 4th liner while gushing over prospects not even drafted yet. Beck was the most sought out player at the OHL deadline and killed it at the Mem cup.

Two-way Cs are often undervalued.

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

History is filled with prospects who dominated in major junior hockey and couldn't cut it in the NHL. The gap between the NHL and every other league is as wide as the Grand Canyon. Roy's pedigree is impressive, but so was Angelo Esposito's. A star in the Q and for Team Canada, Esposito was drafted 20th overall by Pittsburgh and never played a game in the NHL and was out of hockey eight years after he was drafted. Esposito provides a cautionary tale about placing too much emphasis on pedigree.

Roy's predicament is a familiar story: elite hands and AHL level skating. It would have been much better for Roy for it to have been the other way around. For Roy, the window for him making the Canadiens is closing quickly as he is being chased by a host of promising forward prospects: Demidov, Hage, Beck, Tuch and all those high draft choices that Hughes has and will continue to accumulate.

If Roy can't pick up that extra step in speed I'm afraid he will join Esposito, Hudon and all those other once promising prospects who couldn't jump the Grand Canyon.

Gawd this is getting old from you.....

It is the 21st century, hockey IQ is king. Funny you mention Esposito because it was not skating that held him back, it was his brain. The AHL has many players with NHL skating and AHL brains. IQ, character/work ethic and skill are the 3 most important criteria for a top of the line up NHLer on a contending team which is exactly the type of player that you want to draft.....speed is a really nice bonus but it is not essential as the long lists of top NHLers who are/were average to below average skaters that I had given you previously clearly demonstrated.

You work with youth hockey where speed is king so I know where your bias originates from but it is not transferable to the NHL. I have had so many painful conversations with youth coaches/managers where they just don't get it and are Don Cherry level thinkers.You don't seem like one of them as you are well educated, genuine and a seemingly very nice gentleman. Unfortunately there are some similarities in the way that you value skating above brains and it is a mistake that was made at the NHL level for too long. This is why the Esposito's, Daigle's, Yakupov's etc dominated until they reached the highest level as they did not have the IQ and/or character to realize their perceived potential in the NHL.

Trust me, I love speed as much as anyone else but there have been too many great skaters who never made it to the NHL or did not make a significant mark in the NHL because of deficiencies between their ears. The very reason that 1st rounders like Drouin, Barron, Beaulieu have greatly under achieved despite being great skaters. Skating only matters if you have the IQ/work ethic to use it. There are zero top NHLers with low IQ's and very few AHLers with high IQ's/high compete levels. Yet there are ton's of good skaters with low IQ's in the AHL. The Richard's and Gignac's of the AHL are better skaters than most NHLers but their low IQ's keep them in the AHL.

The order of traits that make a good NHL F/D ranked by importance....imo

1. Hockey IQ
2. Character/compete
3. Skill
4. Size/strength
5. Speed/skating

If you were to break down skating into speed and agility/edge work I would submit that agility/edge work are more important than speed as the game is mostly played and won/lost in tight quarters.

 

[DAChampion]

Gawd this is getting old from you.....

It is the 21st century, hockey IQ is king. Funny you mention Esposito because it was not skating that held him back, it was his brain. The AHL has many players with NHL skating and AHL brains. IQ, character/work ethic and skill are the 3 most important criteria for a top of the line up NHLer on a contending team which is exactly the type of player that you want to draft.....speed is a really nice bonus but it is not essential as the long lists top NHLers who are/were average to below average skaters that I and given you previously clearly demonstrated.

You work with youth hockey where speed is king so I know where your bias originates from but it is not transferable to the NHL. I have had so many painful conversations with youth coaches/managers where they just don't get it and are Don Cherry level thinkers.You don't seem like one of them as you are well educated, genuine and a seemingly very nice gentleman. Unfortunately there are some similarities in the way that you value skating above brains and it is a mistake that was made at the NHL level for too long. This is why the Esposito's, Daigle's, Yakupov's etc dominated until they reached the highest level as they did not have the IQ and/or character to realize their perceived potential in the NHL.

Trust me, I love speed as much as anyone else but there have been too many great skaters who never made it to the NHL or did not make a significant mark in the NHL because of deficiencies between their ears. The very reason that 1st rounders like Drouin, Barron, Beaulieu have greatly under achieved despite being great skaters. Skating only matters if you have the IQ/work ethic to use it. There are zero top NHLers with low IQ's and very few AHLers with high IQ's/high compete levels. Yet there are ton's of good skaters with low IQ's in the AHL. The Richard's and Gignac's of the AHL are better skaters than most NHLers but their low IQ's keep them in the AHL.

The order of traits that make a good NHL F/D ranked by importance....imo

1. Hockey IQ
2. Character/compete
3. Skill
4. Size/strength
5. Speed/skating

If you were to break down skating into speed and agility/edge work I would submit that agility/edge work are more important than speed as the game is mostly played and won/lost in tight quarters.

But does Roy have the character/compete and strength to play in the NHL?

 

[Bombshell11]

But does Roy have the character/compete and strength to play in the NHL?

Definitly not

 

[Estimated_Prophet]

But does Roy have the character/compete and strength to play in the NHL?

I believe that he does. Much like Slakovsky he became a little complacent following a good season and should learn the same lesson that many great NHLers had to learn early in their careers.

If Joshua competes hard he is easily a middle six NHL forward in the mold of Tyler Toffoli and Brock Boeser types. He could be as good as them or a lite version as long as he puts in the same work that he has already shown that he is capable of after turning his junior career around.

People singularly focusing on his skating is narrow minded and without the support of past evidence but that is very common at lower hockey levels.

 

[japhi27returns]

He is a bit of a nothing player at the NHL level. Doesn’t have elite talent or intangibles. Bottom 6 guys that dont kill penalties or play physical are not really a thing. If Roy was an equity I’d be short on this bet.