Overdrive & Kyper and Bourne - Leafs Discussion Week of May 20

[Daisy Jane]

So you're saying that if players want to play in small markets that's fine but they should be paid less for doing so. Big markets like Toronto shouldn't be penalized as much as they are cause they bankroll the NHL.

their are pros and cons to everything so basically yeah. there's a reason why they are a smaller market, and there's a reason why you're not in the spotlight. that's your decision and you make it, just like if i want to work for a smaller company i can't demand to be paid the same as i would in a fortune 500 one.

you (and a lot of players) want the bread buttered on both sides and not leave a messs on the plate and go "well you should keep their players." which is fair but why should the rich teams pay for the poorer teams to do so then be spat on on top of it. that doesn't sit right with me.

neither does the nonsense that teams should be 'punished' for making bad decisions though that's a horse of a different colour

 

[hockeyes]

I think Shanny focus grouped this whole thing and that's why they never did anything meaningful. There is more than enough idiots who will happily line up and hand over cash for a 10th rerun if they can. Him being on the way out is more due to getting bored of shearing the same sheep every year for record profits.

 

[Tak7]

I don’t know if Hunter would have done any better but they should have let Lou handle the contracts for the core guys and the Leafs should not have signed Tavares or any big free agent before they locked up their core.

I hate hearing about the Leafs internal cap structure when arguing why these guys deserve the contracts they signed.

I did not like Lou, and was glad he was gone, but ive slowly come around to this line of thinking - they promoted Dubas to GM at the worst possible time, and then fired Dubas as GM at the worst possible time too.

Those are all a series of decisions that will have set this franchise back.

Just ineptitude, time and time again.

 

[rumman]

When your boss tells you to do something....

A plausible scenario, but I think this one is all on Tre, he overpaid for snot that wasn’t snotty, and didn’t help the offence……..

 

[rumman]

What a stupid take.

You have no idea how much of a chance he had to change it with Shanny in charge.





He significantly improved the team.

He didn’t do enough to get them where they needed to go, but I blame the players for that so now lets see if he does anything or just runs it back with the same entitled stooges……..

 

[rumman]

Not even remotely relevant to what the other poster said.

What’s it to you, I was trying to gain that poster’s perspective on the conversation we were having, don’t you have better things to do than interject yourself in a conversation that has nothing to do with you? These are the type of posts that add nothing to the forum, stick to defending the Leafs no matter how bad they fail, at least that’s a opinion and relevant to a hockey forum……..

 

[Johnny Engine]

I don’t know if Hunter would have done any better but they should have let Lou handle the contracts for the core guys and the Leafs should not have signed Tavares or any big free agent before they locked up their core.

I hate hearing about the Leafs internal cap structure when arguing why these guys deserve the contracts they signed.

Lou had about 8 months where he was eligible to sign Nylander, and then went to a team where his first contentious RFA negotiation ended with giving away a Team Canada and cup winning top pair defenseman for a couple of second round picks - and a big part of the reason he was in that situation was having lots of money committed to 4th liners he brought over from the Leafs. Dubas picked up his mantra "if you have time, use it", which turned out to be a major problem with two of the three guys he signed.

I personally see the supposed mentorship and handover from Lou to Dubas as a single unified failure with full blame on both of them.

 

[AllHeartNoSkill]

Lou had about 8 months where he was eligible to sign Nylander, and then went to a team where his first contentious RFA negotiation ended with giving away a Team Canada and cup winning top pair defenseman for a couple of second round picks - and a big part of the reason he was in that situation was having lots of money committed to 4th liners he brought over from the Leafs. Dubas picked up his mantra "if you have time, use it", which turned out to be a major problem with two of the three guys he signed.

I personally see the supposed mentorship and handover from Lou to Dubas as a single unified failure with full blame on both of them.

Was I the only person who was not impressed with that “if you have time, use it” line? It should have been, “if you have time, waste it.” Turned out to be the perfect motto for a team that waited too long to make meaningful changes and now they’re going to lose a star player for nothing.

 

[stealth1]

their are pros and cons to everything so basically yeah. there's a reason why they are a smaller market, and there's a reason why you're not in the spotlight. that's your decision and you make it, just like if i want to work for a smaller company i can't demand to be paid the same as i would in a fortune 500 one.

you (and a lot of players) want the bread buttered on both sides and not leave a messs on the plate and go "well you should keep their players." which is fair but why should the rich teams pay for the poorer teams to do so then be spat on on top of it. that doesn't sit right with me.

neither does the nonsense that teams should be 'punished' for making bad decisions though that's a horse of a different colour

As a fan I do understand the frustration. The Leafs are one of the richest teams but can't use that money to their advantage. The Leafs can use their money to their advantage when it comes to coaching, scouts and management. That's where they should have the best in all of the NHL

MLSE likes it this way as do the rest of the league. With a salary cap it controls their spending and makes them more money each season this way.

 

[The Shadow]

Kypreos definitely goes out of his way to defend Marner. Something is going on there. They must have a connection or friendship he’s not talking about

 

[The Masters]

Kypreos definitely goes out of his way to defend Marner. Something is going on there. They must have a connection or friendship he’s not talking about

i usually only watch overdrive cuz bryan hayes and o dawg r the best
but this week i also watched kypper bourne .. my god kyper is such a moron when he talks

 

[Tak7]

Kypreos definitely goes out of his way to defend Marner. Something is going on there. They must have a connection or friendship he’s not talking about

No need to speculate - hockey is a fraternity, and the Marners (especially his dad) are well connected within hockey circle and with members of the media.

We knew this 6 years ago when they used various media members as talking heads to do their negotiating in public.

 

[ACC1224]

Kypreos definitely goes out of his way to defend Marner. Something is going on there. They must have a connection or friendship he’s not talking about

Or like most rational people he sees him as being unfairly scapegoated.

 

[Stephen]

Kyper's number 1 reason why Leafs are where they are today? Replacing Lou with Dubas instead of Hunter. The damage Dubas caused is next level my friends.

It’s pretty surprising to see the knives out for Dubas like that in the media but hard to argue in totality.

 

[Stephen]

No need to speculate - hockey is a fraternity, and the Marners (especially his dad) are well connected within hockey circle and with members of the media.

We knew this 6 years ago when they used various media members as talking heads to do their negotiating in public.

Well Dreger too. He loves to pump up a Ferris client.

 

[IPS]

It’s pretty surprising to see the knives out for Dubas like that in the media but hard to argue in totality.

And yet absolutely none if it when Dubas was actually here being GM!

No idea why people think any of this low grade politicking is even worth watching/listening to.

 

[Ports]

A plausible scenario, but I think this one is all on Tre, he overpaid for snot that wasn’t snotty, and didn’t help the offence……..

Snot doesn’t score goals or drive offense. Its purpose is to play a physical game and help the team not get pushed around so much. It did help the teamplay more physical but the skill guys still disappeared again when the going got tough. Time to change them up.

 

[Trapper]

Kypreos definitely goes out of his way to defend Marner. Something is going on there. They must have a connection or friendship he’s not talking about

Well if it make Kypreos feel better, I’d get rid of them all. Not just Marner. They each need to be placed on another team. Not this one.

 

[Ports]

As a fan I do understand the frustration. The Leafs are one of the richest teams but can't use that money to their advantage. The Leafs can use their money to their advantage when it comes to coaching, scouts and management. That's where they should have the best in all of the NHL

MLSE likes it this way as do the rest of the league. With a salary cap it controls their spending and makes them more money each season this way.

All of this may change with a rapidly rising salary cap. Not every small market team will want to spend to the cap. Some can still use their lower/no state tax and low pressure environment to attract players but teams like the Leafs may have more money to spend. Let’s hope they spend it wisely.

 

[TheGreenTBer]

Well if it make Kypreos feel better, I’d get rid of them all. Not just Marner. They each need to be placed on another team. Not this one.

To a certain extent Marner is indeed being scapegoated due to his contract status.

In my opinion, 34 is at least as guilty as Marner if not more so. Nylander has his moments but he's a ghost when he's not scoring. Rielly is falling off and Tavares can't skate.

There's more than enough blame to go around.

 

[Hellcat]

Overdrive is ripping apart the pressure narrative.

..and well they should, pressure are just words you say to yourself, if you dont let those words creep into your brain, there is no pressure. Pressure is going to war, pressure is fighting a disease, pressure is your wife nagging you about somethign you dont care about and she wants you to care ( joking) .... pressure is not hockey getting paid millions of dollars to play a kids game.

What is the worse thing that could happen if you lose a series? You go home and relax in your mansion... go on multiple sponsored golfing trips int he summer.

Pressure is perspective, those that don't have it, feel it. Those that do have it, don't feel it.

 

[Tak7]

Kyper's number 1 reason why Leafs are where they are today? Replacing Lou with Dubas instead of Hunter. The damage Dubas caused is next level my friends.

But barely a peep from these talking heads when Dubas was already here - Overdrive at least offered some pushback on certain moves that they didn't like; they were practically mocking the Matt Murray deal.

Most other media in this city were all buddy buddy with Dubas. Which is fine, it doesn't always need to be fierce.

But to do it several years later, with the clear benefit of hindsight, feels very inauthentic.

 

[The Shadow]

Or like most rational people he sees him as being unfairly scapegoated.

 

[Trapper]

To a certain extent Marner is indeed being scapegoated due to his contract status.

In my opinion, 34 is at least as guilty as Marner if not more so. Nylander has his moments but he's a ghost when he's not scoring. Rielly is falling off and Tavares can't skate.

There's more than enough blame to go around.

Not sure why the focus is on one.
I blame them all. I think many people here have been saying this core and not this Marner for a while.

 

[rumman]

Snot doesn’t score goals or drive offense. Its purpose is to play a physical game and help the team not get pushed around so much. It did help the teamplay more physical but the skill guys still disappeared again when the going got tough. Time to change them up.

AJ Greer brings plenty of snot, so does Tom Wilson, both can help offensively too, so on this point your dead wrong imo……..