Ovechkin vs Laine comparison.
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Alf the dwarf
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Laine scored 44 goals in less TOI than any player has even scored 40 goals with since TOI has been tracked. Like seriously, a teenager being the most efficient goal scorer this league has seen in decades. The only player to score 20 PP goals last season, and he is not even being double shifted yet.
PPG doesn't take into account TOI and usage so that's why your stat doesn't work in this context.
18yo Crosby and Wayne. What are you even talking about?
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Seems like you haven't played hockey by yourself very much. It's common that player hits the gym too hard and adds mass at the age Laine was last year and actually becomes slower for a while, before mass turns into muscle (and this is because hes playing against strong full grown NHL players) . The body is not adult mans body yet. But well, He was whole different player in january when mass started to change in muscle. I think he clearly took a few too many pounds due gathering mass in off-season trainings. Should have improved his skating more aswell.
Laine has a comparable shot, but Ovechkin's skating ability and physical aggressiveness is something Laine hasn't shown yet. I don't know if I ever expect him to become that type of one man machine that prime Ovechkin was, but I do hope he becomes less reliant on the talent around him to drive offense as he develops and matures. Definitely a kid with extremely high potential, but he's gotta put a lot of work in to be near the level of prime Ovechkin.
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Just to put a counterspin on your dumb argument.
So 100 points this year from Laine? or at least 3rd in overall league scoring? I mean Ovy did that as 20 year old rookie as his first time in the North American league, Laine has now 2 seasons of experience in the league putting him well ahead of Ovechkin in terms of NHL experience at the same age. He can at least amount to 3rd in overall scoring right? Would only take about 100 points per last season on a significantly better team with significantly better line mates.
No? That's what I thought.
So 100 points this year from Laine? or at least 3rd in overall league scoring? I mean Ovy did that as 20 year old rookie as his first time in the North American league, Laine has now 2 seasons of experience in the league putting him well ahead of Ovechkin in terms of NHL experience at the same age. He can at least amount to 3rd in overall scoring right? Would only take about 100 points per last season on a significantly better team with significantly better line mates.
No? That's what I thought.
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Read the post. I haven't spoken anything about Ovechkins rookie season in NHL. He played in russia at same age. Nor have I said in my starting post anything about Laines next season.
But doesnt that tell something about Laines production since he has 2 years already in NHL. Ovechkin was in russia other year and another NHL year missed because of lockout, if he would have gone to NHL that year.
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This up coming season is what you would compare to
Ovrchkin was 20 going into 21, not 19 turning 20
Laine is 2 seasons ahead of ovechkin
Laine is a good player. Fully expect him to pot more goals than Matthews in many seasons (not turning this into a TML thread, just making a Laine advocacy point as a Toronto fan). But he isn't close to the level AO was. There are maybe 2 or 3 players in the entire league in the last 12 years to be discussed in this context and def. not Laine.
Does Laine get the benefit of like 7+ minutes of PP time per game too? The year Crosby and Ovy came into the league the average PP's per game was the highest in league history recorded back to 1963 or something. In fact, the Caps had 490 powerplay opportunities that season compared to the 274 the Jets just had in 2017-18 (tied for 3rd most in the league). If all we're comparing is points, and Laine gets those kind of opportunities he could easily hit 50 goals next season (he had 20 PPG last year for reference). If we're comparing the actual player, then no, it's not likely Laine magically rounds out his flaws and dominates everyone in the league next year.
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Ovechkin first month of his rookie season vs Laine's last month of his sophomore season. They are practically the same age in this situation. Ovechkin was clearly better in that time frame despite Laine having nearly 2 full nhl seasons more experience than Ovechkin.
Laine scored more points in the NHL as a teen than Ovechkin did. That is a fact. During the 04-05 lockout, top players went overseas and bombed, also a fact. Stat watching, laine comes out ahead, watching games, Ovechkin was the bigger difference maker.
Ovechkin and Laine have nothing in common, Laine's playstyle should be getting compared to Heatley way before Ovechkin.
Laine scored more points in the NHL as a teen than Ovechkin did. That is a fact. During the 04-05 lockout, top players went overseas and bombed, also a fact. Stat watching, laine comes out ahead, watching games, Ovechkin was the bigger difference maker.
Ovechkin and Laine have nothing in common, Laine's playstyle should be getting compared to Heatley way before Ovechkin.
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Yeah but really the only way to compare players is by the year they were drafted.
Draft +2 for Ovie- 3rd in goals. 3rd in points.
Draft +2 for Laine-2nd in goals. 34th in points.
Ovechkin is miles ahead so far. Yea Ovechkin played in a period with more PPs, and he got more icetime, but his two best teammates were also Zubrus and Chris Clark.
There really isn't any comparison to be made so far. Laine will have to go supernova before he gets into the conversation.
no matter how you try and twist it or handicap Ovechkin he is easily better than Laine at any point. Easily
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I'm not entirely sure if Ovechkin would have gotten 64 points in 73 games at age 18.
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If Laine scores 50 this year the comparisons are totally legit in terms of goal scoring. People are just assuming a 19 yearold has plateaued at 44 goals. What he's done in the nhl as a teenager is remarkable.
I agree with idea. Laine is a goal scorer. He will probably never be the goal scorer ovechkin was to start with.
That's where the comparison stops. Great shots. Ovechkin, while not really the greatest at getting back and defending in his early years, was also fast as he'll, physically dominating, a fricken cannonball, unstoppable, who forechecked like a demon.
Laine scores goals. Ovechkin dominated games.
Remarkable on a "only 1 or 2 rookies a year accomplish something similar". Ovechkin was more of a "only 1 or 2 rookies a decade" sort of player.
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Laine has an amazing shot and shooting instincts. He also has some pretty slick hands that he mostly uses to put himself into better shooting position. But to me that's where it ends for him. His decision making isn't the greatest, his play making ability has shown zero potential of ever reaching high end, he doesn't play with much intensity. I'm sure he will score a lot of goals in his career but I doubt he ever puts up top of the league point totals.
I say this and I really like Laine and Jets are my favorite outside of my home team. He is a great player, just not up there with guys like Ovie. He is very raw still but I feel some of his weaknesses aren't typically areas players usually make drastic improvements. I have been wrong about him before though, I really thought he would struggle transitioning to the NHL. Just didn't think some of his shit would fly in the big league. You really couldn't ask for more than his done in his first two seasons though.
I say this and I really like Laine and Jets are my favorite outside of my home team. He is a great player, just not up there with guys like Ovie. He is very raw still but I feel some of his weaknesses aren't typically areas players usually make drastic improvements. I have been wrong about him before though, I really thought he would struggle transitioning to the NHL. Just didn't think some of his shit would fly in the big league. You really couldn't ask for more than his done in his first two seasons though.
