Ovechkin Milestone Thread - Countdown to 894

[WarriorofTime]

Someone was mentioning that Ovechkin has scored at least one goal in a game more than any other player in history.

Meaning he has the most number of games where he has scored a goal.

Not sure how true or how to even find that stat.

Intuitively I’d be shocked if it wasn’t true. He’s second all time in goals by a decent margin and the one guy ahead of him bunched a much higher percentage of his goals in a shorter timeframe.

 

[Nogatco Rd]

Someone was mentioning that Ovechkin has scored at least one goal in a game more than any other player in history.

Meaning he has the most number of games where he has scored a goal.

Not sure how true or how to even find that stat.

He’s scored in 639 games

Four goals = 4 times
Three goals = 26 times
Two goals = 140 times
One goal = 469 times

E: I should clarify that the breakdown reflects the # of games he finished with exactly x amount of goals as his stat line..

E2: apparently Gretzky has exactly 638 games with at least one goal, meaning Ovi surpassed that last night

 

[SkinsFan09]

Fair - but the greats also adjust. Mario was putting up bigger numbers when league scoring was down, as well.

As an all around player there's no argument but nobody has ever tried to say Ovechkin is better than 66.

 

[Nogatco Rd]

He’s scored in 639 games

Four goals = 4 times
Three goals = 26 times
Two goals = 140 times
One goal = 469 times

E: I should clarify that the breakdown reflects the # of games he finished with exactly x amount of goals as his stat line..

E2: apparently Gretzky has exactly 638 games with at least one goal, meaning Ovi surpassed that last night

For more context

total games w/ at least 1 goal scored:

Ovechkin 639
Gretzky 638
Howe 635
Jagr 623
Howe 547

Not sure if that’s officially the top 5, just who I looked up first

 

[Dipsy Doodle]

The Pens were gifted Crosby by the league after rigging the draft. How many cups would have Ovechkin won had the caps been gifted a Stamkos or Kane ?

Not 3 if they were still going to prioritize picks over playoff runs.

 

[Dingo]

Someone was mentioning that Ovechkin has scored at least one goal in a game more than any other player in history.

Meaning he has the most number of games where he has scored a goal.

Not sure how true or how to even find that stat.

easy for me to accept - Gretzky was exploding scoreboards in the 80s and then didnt score much as the game tightened up, simultaneous with him declining.

Ovechkin has the reverse - at his best the league wasnt particularly highscoring, and it opened up as he declined... giving him a much more consistent output.

 

[DRW895]

The toughes 20 goal "milestone" ever. Maybe next year, when he will be 39, it will be easier

 

[kugelbahn]

The toughes 20 goal "milestone" ever. Maybe next year, when he will be 39, it will be easier

Yeah, tough year for McJesus as well who has only 25 goals (his pace is reduced by half from last year)

 

[DRW895]

The Pens were gifted Crosby by the league after rigging the draft. How many cups would have Ovechkin won had the caps been gifted a Stamkos or Kane ?

While Stamkos isn`t good playoff performer the "direction is right"

 

[kugelbahn]

For more context

total games w/ at least 1 goal scored:

Ovechkin 639
Gretzky 638
Howe 635
Jagr 623
Howe 547

Not sure if that’s officially the top 5, just who I looked up first

#5 is Dionne with 561

https://stathead.com/tiny/Tk5nF

So many OV records, getting hard to track

 

[Video Nasty]

It seems pretty straightforward that Ovechkin’s current career total is more impressive than Gretzky’s. Yes the number is smaller, but it was done in a context where the league was a lot lower scoring.

Context goes both ways. Gretzky scored 92 and 87 when the runner up had 64 and 56 respectively, while finding the time to also hand out an assist and a half per game. Adjusted stats as they currently stand haven’t quite figured out how to properly explain why they can just hand wave that away.

 

[kugelbahn]

So OV passed Gretz in number of games with at least a goal
639 vs 638, despite playing 76 fewer games and trailing goals total by 51. Could be explained by Gretz playing on super team (of course he is main reason it was super) and feasting on weaklings with multi-goal games. And/or Gretz not scoring that much after certain age (around 27, McD syndrome, jk)
I think OV clutchiness indicators: leading in all clutch goals categories is a natural "adjusting" for era.

 

[Randyne]

Pens with Sid won 3 Cups. 4 Finals.

w/o Sid could've been more. Pens play better w/o him and Malkin would turn to juggernaut mode when his kid's dream come true (it's sad that pens didn't choose him captain after Hart+Ross+Smythe performance it broke him).

 

[WarriorofTime]

Context goes both ways. Gretzky scored 92 and 87 when the runner up had 64 and 56 respectively, while finding the time to also hand out an assist and a half per game. Adjusted stats as they currently stand haven’t quite figured out how to properly explain why they can just hand wave that away.

Adjusted stats don't hand wave anything away though.

 

[PaulD]

w/o Sid could've been more. Pens play better w/o him and Malkin would turn to juggernaut mode when his kid's dream come true (it's sad that pens didn't choose him captain after Hart+Ross+Smythe performance it broke him).

in Bizarro world

 

[kugelbahn]

Ppl dismiss presidents trophy in regular season while still emphasizing players stats (even odd ones like PPG streak) and trophies in regular season. OV lead Caps to 3 regular season best finishes. Crosby - zero. Only in NA sports regular season team success is dismissed while celebrating players regular season stats at the same time. Always found it very odd...

 

[Randyne]

in Bizarro world

From 2007/08 to 2012/13 Sid missed 148 games. Almost 1/3 of PITs games.
How PIT performed w/o him?
PIT P% w/o Sid = .649
PIT P% with Sid = .639
Real world stats.
also I'm lazy to update this 4 yo post:
Malkin w/o Crosby: 128 GP; 173 P; 1.35 PPG
Malkin with Crosby: 738 GP; 848 P; 1.15 PPG.
Crosby w/o Malkin: 222 GP; 271 P; 1.22 PPG
Crosby with Malkin: 738 GP; 962 P; 1.30 PPG

Sid would have Thornton career w/o Malkin. He would lost many trophies w/o Malkin who factored in up to 50% of Sid's points in their peaks.

 

[TheSmokingMan]

Like always, guys do get hot....so 13 goals in last 21 games is a very good hot streak, but not the type of pace he's going to keep for a full season anymore.

Many of us think he was nursing a nagging injury early in the year. And yes, despite his reputation of almost never missing games due to injury, he does get hurt. He just usually plays through it (even when he shouldn't). The most telling sign that something wasn't right was that his shot was waaaaay off and he was rarely taking his patented one-timers and slapshots. His physical play was also noticeably absent. Add to that the instability at center with the loss of Backstrom and Kuznetsoz's uninspired play, and you have a pretty reasonable explaination as to why he wasn't scoring.

His play since his rest at the all-star break has been much different than earlier in the season. His shot looks a lot more natural and the emergence of the young players has stabilized the center position. Lindgren has also taken over as the starting goalie and been outstanding. It's not just a hot streak, Ovechkin and the Caps have been a completely different team since the all-star break. They have a real chance at making the playoffs now. Winning is an even a bigger motivator than scoring goals for Ovie, so it's not a surprise that he's playing his best hockey of the season right now.

 

[Seras]

w/o Sid could've been more. Pens play better w/o him and Malkin would turn to juggernaut mode when his kid's dream come true (it's sad that pens didn't choose him captain after Hart+Ross+Smythe performance it broke him).

Yeah they really messed up when they drafted him, should have taken Bobby Ryan.

Actually Jack Johnson would have been better, really shore up that D.

 

[Nogatco Rd]

From 2007/08 to 2012/13 Sid missed 148 games. Almost 1/3 of PITs games.
How PIT performed w/o him?
PIT P% w/o Sid = .649
PIT P% with Sid = .639
Real world stats.

You’re talking about a difference of literally 1% — not statistically significant.

In any event it’s not unheard of for teammates to pick up the slack and raise their level of play when a star is out. Not sure that would translate to the playoffs , where presumably everyone’s effort level is already raised above their regular season baseline

 

[BMann]

Has he been fully fit this season or is Father Time catching up with Ovechkin ? Next season will tell. He'll still beat the record and even now he is the best goalscorer of all time.

 

[Randyne]

In any event it’s not unheard of for teammates to pick up the slack and raise their level of play when a star is out. Not sure that would translate to the playoffs , where presumably everyone’s effort level is already raised above their regular season baseline

It's OK with 5-10 games. But it's 148 games out of 458.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Context goes both ways. Gretzky scored 92 and 87 when the runner up had 64 and 56 respectively, while finding the time to also hand out an assist and a half per game. Adjusted stats as they currently stand haven’t quite figured out how to properly explain why they can just hand wave that away.

I was talking about career totals.

Was someone arguing that Ovechkin was as good an all-round offensive producer as peak Gretzky?

 

[kugelbahn]

You’re talking about a difference of literally 1% — not statistically significant.

In any event it’s not unheard of for teammates to pick up the slack and raise their level of play when a star is out. Not sure that would translate to the playoffs , where presumably everyone’s effort level is already raised above their regular season baseline

Yeah, one Crosby or two good players on Crosby's salary, who knows.
This is hyperbole obviously, but it was Maxime Talbot beating Detroit with 2 goals in game 7 SCF, with Crosby sitting injured, which won the first cup. And next two it took Phil the Thrill addition to get those cups. And there was Geno too.

 

[PaulD]

From 2007/08 to 2012/13 Sid missed 148 games. Almost 1/3 of PITs games.
How PIT performed w/o him?
PIT P% w/o Sid = .649
PIT P% with Sid = .639
Real world stats.
also I'm lazy to update this 4 yo post:
Malkin w/o Crosby: 128 GP; 173 P; 1.35 PPG
Malkin with Crosby: 738 GP; 848 P; 1.15 PPG.
Crosby w/o Malkin: 222 GP; 271 P; 1.22 PPG
Crosby with Malkin: 738 GP; 962 P; 1.30 PPG

Sid would have Thornton career w/o Malkin. He would lost many trophies w/o Malkin who factored in up to 50% of Sid's points in their peaks.

and OV without Backstrom
Hull without Oats
Kurri without Gretz
Bossy without Trottier
Espo without Orr
Matthews without Marner
could go on and on

Just because Star player A combined for a lot of points with Star player B ......doesnt mean Star A is shit without Star B. ha!

Every first line center in the NHL has elite talent on his powerplay.....Its the NHL . Duh.