Ovechkin Milestone Thread - Countdown to 894 (Continued)

[Boxscore]

If someone had told us, heading into the lockout, that a player would emerge who would break Gretzky's goal-scoring record, we would have had them committed. This is an amazing feat by Ovechkin.

 

[ovikovy817]

If someone had told us, heading into the lockout, that a player would emerge who would break Gretzky's goal-scoring record, we would have had them committed. This is an amazing feat by Ovechkin.

The haters will understand later, in 10-20 years, what Ovi is trying to achieve.

 

[Zuluss]

Top 125 forwards by Time on ice against empty net last 3 seasons (Pasta is #10 by TOI, try to find Ovechkin):
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I think you should try to re-sort this on GF/GA ratio. That would present a very compelling argument as to why it makes sense to send Ovechkin on the ice when the opposing team pulls a goalie. GA/TOI will also look rather good.

 

[Randyne]

I think you should try to re-sort this on GF/GA ratio. That would present a very compelling argument as to why it makes sense to send Ovechkin on the ice when the opposing team pulls a goalie. GA/TOI will also look rather good.

Top forwards last 3 seasons by GF% against empty net (with at least 10 GF; OV #15, Pasta #81):

 

[Mulletman]

With 22 goals so far Ovechkin has scored 2 more goals this season than he still needs to score in order to break the record. It's starting to get close...

 

[BomaLightDevils]

does playoff count on the milestone

 

[Toby91ca]

does playoff count on the milestone

Nope

 

[Calderon]

Just to stir the pot, anyone got the numbers of GWG that aren't ENG or OTG? How does Ovi fare against Gretzky in that category?

 

[Fantomas]

Online you find a lot of people who don't want to see Ovechkin break the record.

A very loud and abrasive minority. They scream the loudest so it's hard to ignore them, but I've never seen Ovy get more love than he's gotten recently. Even the Crosby boys like him now.

Ovechkin being older has something to do with it too. It's hard to hate on a guy who's dragging his old body around the ice in pursuit of one of the greatest records in league history. It's like watching Rocky defy the odds. What kind of person could hate this?

 

[gtrower]

Just to stir the pot, anyone got the numbers of GWG that aren't ENG or OTG? How does Ovi fare against Gretzky in that category?

Ovi is 2nd all time GWGs with 134 (1 behind Jagr). Gretzky is 22nd all time with 91.

Ovi is 1st all time with 27 OTGs. I believe Gretzky has 2 regular season OTGs but my source might be wrong?

An ENG that is also a GWG would be exceedingly rare. It would take a team down 1 conceding an ENG and then still scoring one of their own after (or some variation of that) or a late season situation where a game was tied but one team had to have the regulation W so pulled their goaltender anyway. I don’t know how to check for that, but I’m going to assume both had zero for these purposes.

So give or take a couple for the ENG/GWG unknown, Ovi has about 107 GWGs that weren’t ENG/OTG and Gretzky has about 89.

 

[NVious]

does playoff count on the milestone

Gretzky has 1016 total goals (playoff+season included)

Ovechkin has 947, if he gets 25 more this year (including playoffs), he would only be 44 back of Gretzky total, pretty doable as I think the Caps should get at least to the 2nd round this year.

 

[pnep]

Just to stir the pot, anyone got the numbers of GWG that aren't ENG or OTG? How does Ovi fare against Gretzky in that category?

GWG (NO OTG or ENG, Seasons 1917-2024)

GWG_NOOT_NOEN

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GWPTS (NO OTG or ENG, Seasons 1917-2024)

GWPTS_NOOT_NOEN

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[trellaine201]

does playoff count on the milestone

OT goals count? :p shootout goals? Gretzky had lots of those

 

[BallardEra]

eng

Another one for Pasta today!

 

[Hockey Outsider]

If someone had told us, heading into the lockout, that a player would emerge who would break Gretzky's goal-scoring record, we would have had them committed. This is an amazing feat by Ovechkin.

The only way it would have been conceivable 20 years ago, would have been by assuming that leaguewide scoring returned to levels from 1980's. What makes it so impressive is how far Ovechkin is ahead of the competition. He's at 870-something. During that time, only three other players have reached 500 goals (and only one, barely, has reached 600).

 

[Gerulaitis]

Lovely ode…I still remember Vitas hitting the up the lane winner at the USOpen before crashing into the flower pots. What a player.

No one can can deny that Ovi is also the king of ENG.

you're too kind !
glad you remember Vitas. he was a legend

 

[abax44]

but there's a reason Ovie is out there when the net is empty

Is it to break the record?

 

[Randyne]

Cool video with jaw-dropping stats

 

[Gerulaitis]

Here in Sweden, the level of hate against all things Russian is no joke, its on the level of Trump hate and Musk hate

I wonder why!

Is it jealousy because Ovechkin scores more than Håkan Loob?

 

[Toby91ca]

Gretzky has 1016 total goals (playoff+season included)

Ovechkin has 947, if he gets 25 more this year (including playoffs), he would only be 44 back of Gretzky total, pretty doable as I think the Caps should get at least to the 2nd round this year.

Never thought of this, but yeah, this is totally going to come up when he passes 894. It wasn’t an issue when Gretzky passed Howe’s 801…he was way ahead already when considering playoff goals. Similar discussions came up though…what about total professional goals since Howe played some time in WHA…not entirely fair as it was an inferior league. Gretzky eventually passed that as well though

 

[COHawk]

Top forwards last 3 seasons by GF% against empty net (with at least 10 GF; OV #15, Pasta #81):
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My only takeaway here is that Ovi is a much more efficient ENG scorer than Pasta.... that's .57 goals per minute!

 

[McFlash97]

Ovi is 2nd all time GWGs with 134 (1 behind Jagr). Gretzky is 22nd all time with 91.

Ovi is 1st all time with 27 OTGs. I believe Gretzky has 2 regular season OTGs but my source might be wrong?

An ENG that is also a GWG would be exceedingly rare. It would take a team down 1 conceding an ENG and then still scoring one of their own after (or some variation of that) or a late season situation where a game was tied but one team had to have the regulation W so pulled their goaltender anyway. I don’t know how to check for that, but I’m going to assume both had zero for these purposes.

So give or take a couple for the ENG/GWG unknown, Ovi has about 107 GWGs that weren’t ENG/OTG and Gretzky has about 89.

Imagine Gretzky getting 3 on 3 his entire career, and the league forcefully removed 4 on 4 in the 80's because Gretzky would score multiple times in them.

taking nothing against Ovechkin, what hes doing is incredible, however lets put context into this whole thing. Gretzky would be at near 1100 goals

 

[Fantomas]

Imagine Gretzky getting 3 on 3 his entire career, and the league forcefully removed 4 on 4 in the 80's because Gretzky would score multiple times in them.

taking nothing against Ovechkin, what hes doing is incredible, however lets put context into this whole thing. Gretzky would be at near 1100 goals

Wow, as if Gretzky didn't have enough advantages as it is. What if he had 3 on 3 while dominating the league before all the best Europeans came.

 

[Jovavic]

taking nothing against Ovechkin, what hes doing is incredible, however lets put context into this whole thing. Gretzky would be at near 1100 goals

Ovechkin didn't get to play against the "goalies" Gretzky did, Ovie getting different OTs washes that out. If Ovechkin played then he'd have 1200 goals.

 

[Randyne]

I believe Gretzky has 2 regular season OTGs but my source might be wrong?

Yep. Gretzky has only 2 goals in OT
BTW and only 13 assists... why so low? There was about 200 overtimes, 150 of them were full 5 minutes. Campering behind the net was prohibited in OTs?

taking nothing against Ovechkin, what hes doing is incredible, however lets put context into this whole thing. Gretzky would be at near 1100 goals

His teams played 223 OTs with .193 W% in those OTs (1983/84-1998/99).
Your 1100 G is unrealistic because
1100-894-2=204 G in 223-2 GP = .92 GPG and that's .923 W% in OT (4.8 times higher than it was in reality)(GPG in OT+ his average .60 GPG that's 1.52 GPG in ~200 games)