And continuing on the subject of class & respect, I hope we see a repeat of this moment when Ovechkin scores #895:
Ovechkin milestone thread - 850 and Beyond!
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BallardEra
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From age 30 and on until the end of his career, Gretzky scored 188 goals in 592 games.
26.0 goal pace over 82 games.
Since Ovechkin's 30th birthday, he's scored 395 goals in 686 games.
47.2 goal pace over 82 games.
26.0 goal pace over 82 games.
Since Ovechkin's 30th birthday, he's scored 395 goals in 686 games.
47.2 goal pace over 82 games.
BallardEra
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These are their goal totals before the age of 30.
For Gretzky:
706 goals in 895 games for 64.7 goals pace over 82 games
For Ovechkin:
475 goals in 760 games for 51.3 goals pace over 82 games
For Gretzky:
706 goals in 895 games for 64.7 goals pace over 82 games
For Ovechkin:
475 goals in 760 games for 51.3 goals pace over 82 games
We could also split before age of 20:
Gretzky had 76 goals in 126 games, 49.5 goals pace over 82 games
Ovechkin did not have a chance to play in NHL
Between 20 and 30:
Gretzky 630 goals in 769 games, 67.2 goals pace over 82 games
Gretz had typical trajectory for goals scorers magnified by his talent, team dominance and era scoring levels.
OV is unique player and top 10 all-time just because there is no one else like him.
Gretzky had 76 goals in 126 games, 49.5 goals pace over 82 games
Ovechkin did not have a chance to play in NHL
Between 20 and 30:
Gretzky 630 goals in 769 games, 67.2 goals pace over 82 games
Gretz had typical trajectory for goals scorers magnified by his talent, team dominance and era scoring levels.
OV is unique player and top 10 all-time just because there is no one else like him.
Alexander the Gr8
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Yeah, passion is one of Ovi’s best attributes. I don’t think anyone ever loved to score goals more than him. Even in his celebrations, he shows the same excitement for goals #1, #499 or #870.
This season has been the most exciting to watch since the 2018 playoffs as a Caps fan. I just hope both Ovi and the Caps can maintain the trajectory.
It's a huge accomplishment. All the more reason for Ovechkin's teammates to keep feeding him the puck.
That 32 games of 7 or more goals for Oilers is staggering. Imagine Ovechkin or McDavid on a team and era like that?
That it for 2024, great year for OV, hopefully next year he will get goals record.
Happy New Year everyone!
Happy New Year everyone!
zappa4ever
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EDM had 5 straight years of 400+ goals/season, w/80gm seasons that's above 5GF/gm average, just insane numbers
EDM's 3 most recent 82gm seasons = 294/325*/290 GF (*led league)
1981-82: 417 = 5.21 GF/gm
1982-83: 424 = 5.3 GF/gm
1983-84: 446 = 5.575 GF/gm
1984-85: 401 = 5.01 GF/gm
1985-86: 426 = 5.325 GF/gm
EDM had 5 straight years of 400+ goals/season, w/80gm seasons that's above 5GF/gm average, just insane numbers
EDM's 3 most recent 82gm seasons = 294/325*/290 GF (*led league)
1981-82: 417 = 5.21 GF/gm
1982-83: 424 = 5.3 GF/gm
1983-84: 446 = 5.575 GF/gm
1984-85: 401 = 5.01 GF/gm
1985-86: 426 = 5.325 GF/gm
Yes that’s a drastic difference
Im not familiar with this "ovi did not have a chance to play in the NHL" was it impossible, or was it by choice?
As a side note, Ovi is 2nd all time in GWG with 132, he should(knock on woods) have a good
chance of passing Jagrs 135 this season. Gretzky is only at 22nd place with 91.
That has to be Gretzskys worst stat
It would be interesting to know how much lower Oilers goals would have been without Wayne, and a decent player instead.
Yeah it would, I mean they did win the Cup without him perhaps look at their goals that year relative to league wide scoring.
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another angle to this is that when scoring is higher, ie. Gretzky's heyday, his ratio over #2 could be the same as Ovechkin's, but the raw gain over the field by your metric would be higher. ie. Ovechkin gets 60, next gets forty, he gains twenty. Gretzky gets 90, next gets 60, he gets thirty, but its the same accomplishment over #2.
So, Gretzky gets extra numbers here when he was the top scorer. THEN, as he faded in the 90s the exact opposite happens, which again benefits him.
Ovechkin's era as the man was quite low, and his old man days are higher scoring.
Everything in this metric helps Gretzky looks better, and Ovechkin still has an 82 raw goal lead on him.
Ovechkin is a goalscorer, a career goalscorer, to a level that anyone my age would have said was impossible, to the point of laughing at anyone who suggested someone might break Gretzky's goalscoring record. No one did predict this, however, as it was too absurd.
Its less absurd now that scoring is high again, but to do it starting in 2005, missing his rookie year, a covid half year and a strike half year..... crazy. He would likely be at around 950 right now... and still going strongish.
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Alexander the Gr8
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23 goals away. This one is an advanced reference
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BallardEra
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41 in his last 58 going back to last season.
That’s nearly a 60 goal pace, for a nearly 40 year old.
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he's on pace for 54 goals this season while missing 16 games
Not leaving any doubt he’s the greatest goal scorer of all-time.
23 goals in 39 games to tie Wayne, can he do it? of course he can, but will he? we will see
personally, i think this chase is great, it elevates the regular season.
personally, i think this chase is great, it elevates the regular season.
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