Ovechkin milestone thread - 850 and Beyond!

[NORiculous]

Why is a Montreal fan so invested about caring for Ovechkin and the Capitals this much?

Propping up a guy like Kuznetsov who has been a model of inconsistency and frustration his whole career to belittle Ovechkin is really grasping at straws right now.

Stop derailing the thread title and perhaps open up your own thread about how much you dislike Ovechkin and love Kuznetsov.

I'm sure you'll get the reactions you seek in a thread like that.

I actually follow hockey more than I follow the Habs. Living in a city is just that. Although I do see more Habs, I seek out to watch players more than anything else.

Kuznetsov has trouble sure. But the whole point of the messages wasn’t about him. In my posts, he is just a guy that sometimes plays with OV.

It’s funny because the eye test says Kuz isn’t doing that well and his ability to drive possession says that too but the facts are he isn’t hurting the team that much. OV looks good but he is actually hurting the team. To fix this, all that is needed is some small tweaks,IMO, to turn the corner. But it seems some casual fans don’t even want to hear it. Fine move along.

I am not looking for any reaction. I am just stating what I see and bringing arguments and facts to back it up. That is what a message board is for, discussion of different opinion.

 

[BallardEra]

I am not looking for any reaction. I am just stating what I see and bringing arguments and facts to back it up. That is what a message board is for, discussion of different opinions.

You're missing the point. This is not the thread for you to derail and do that in.

Read the thread title.

Create your own thread and let the discussion and different opinions flow until your heart is content.

 

[NORiculous]

You're missing the point. This is not the thread for you to derail and do that in.

Read the thread title.

Create your own thread and let the discussion and different opinions flow until your heart is content.

Yes it is. Because the way the team is currently deploying OV to reach his milestone IS the reason and the subject of this thread.

OV can still easily reach it with minor tweaks and with more chances at winning hockey games too. The subject is still reaching the milestone.

 

[BallardEra]

Yes it is. Because the way the team is currently deploying OV to reach his milestone IS the reason and the subject of this thread.

No it isn't.

"Ovechkin milestone thread"

It has absolutely NOTHING to do with what you're saying.

Create your own thread and move on.

 

[NORiculous]

No it isn't.

"Ovechkin milestone thread"

It has absolutely NOTHING to do with what you're saying.

Create your own thread and move on.

Talking about OV milestone can be done in different ways. If you don’t agree you can ignore the posts.

 

[MeHateHe]

Yes it is. Because the way the team is currently deploying OV to reach his milestone IS the reason and the subject of this thread.

OV can still easily reach it with minor tweaks and with more chances at winning hockey games too. The subject is still reaching the milestone.

I’m going to quibble with you because it’s early Sunday morning, it’s dark out and I’m a pedant. What you’re talking about should best be discussed in a legacy thread, and folks who care about hockey history will discuss Ovechkin’s legacy through the lens of how the goals were scored. You’re possibly not wrong that the club is making at least some choices based more on the record than on winning games (the offensive zone starts, the ridiculous power play shifts are two examples) and what hockey history buffs will watch is whether that becomes more exaggerated when the club is eliminated from playoff contention.

This is clearly a thread for fanboys to gush over his latest goal. I suppose if I were a fanboy, I’d want a thread for fave too, so all the power to them.

 

[NORiculous]

I’m going to quibble with you because it’s early Sunday morning, it’s dark out and I’m a pedant. What you’re talking about should best be discussed in a legacy thread, and folks who care about hockey history will discuss Ovechkin’s legacy through the lens of how the goals were scored. You’re possibly not wrong that the club is making at least some choices based more on the record than on winning games (the offensive zone starts, the ridiculous power play shifts are two examples) and what hockey history buffs will watch is whether that becomes more exaggerated when the club is eliminated from playoff contention.

This is clearly a thread for fanboys to gush over his latest goal. I suppose if I were a fanboy, I’d want a thread for fave too, so all the power to them.

Good points but I am sure you’ll agree they are also debatable.

Although maybe not perfect but still very fine to debate the how of the milestone in the milestone thread.

 

[Midnight Judges]

EDIT: for those that want to know what this means in English, it means OV is getting the easiest ice time of the team.

Actually no it doesn't say that. You don't seem to understand what you are posting.

 

[Sinistril]

Yes it is. Because the way the team is currently deploying OV to reach his milestone IS the reason and the subject of this thread.

OV can still easily reach it with minor tweaks and with more chances at winning hockey games too. The subject is still reaching the milestone.

OK coach

 

[MeHateHe]

Good points but I am sure you’ll agree they are also debatable.

Although maybe not perfect but still very fine to debate the how of the milestone in the milestone thread.

Well, go with God, friend. The rest of the posters here are going to throw rocks at you.

 

[Midnight Judges]

Yes it is. Because the way the team is currently deploying OV to reach his milestone IS the reason and the subject of this thread.

OV can still easily reach it with minor tweaks and with more chances at winning hockey games too. The subject is still reaching the milestone.

You're just plain wrong though.

It is absurd to claim a 50 goal scorer is hurting the team. And yeah I realize you think the so-called "advanced stats" (that recently showed Elias Petterson was better than Connor McDavid lol) are firm enough for you to claim that the player who leads the team in points and goals is somehow hurting the team's chances of winning - and that you know better than Peter Laviolette's coaching staff.

Elias Pettersson is the best player in the NHL’s all-Canadian North Division

One thing sets Pettersson apart from the other stars for Canadian teams.

www.vancouverisawesome.com

 

[Sinistril]

I think Brett Hull was and is the best goal scorer of all time. But OV will get the official title when he beats Gretzky.

What a fantastic take by coach here.

 

[BallardEra]

Was looking at Selanne’s stats for his age 38-40 seasons.

Age 38 - 27 goals in 65 games (16 PP)
Age 39 - 27 goals in 54 games (14 PP)
Age 40 - 31 goals in 73 games (16 PP)

That’s a total of 85 goals with a goals per game pace of 0.44. (54% of his goals on the PP)

If Ovechkin hits 35 goals this season and matches the 85 goals of Selanne over the last 3 years of his contract then he finishes with an even 900 goals.

 

[crazy8888]

When the old “you don’t watch games” comes out it mostly means you don’t have much to say.

Yes I do watch games. I know Kuznetsov is struggling in multiple facettes. But he still a guy that is hurting the team less then OV is right now.

Some people that love OV so much don’t even want to think about this for a second.

Very knowledgable input. Surprised you heavent been hired to game analysis on espn.

 

[Devil Dancer]

(the offensive zone starts, the ridiculous power play shifts are two examples)

Nothing about the PP is new, they've been running the same PP since Oates was the coach.

 

[PromisedLand]

Was looking at Selanne’s stats for his age 38-40 seasons.

Age 38 - 27 goals in 65 games (16 PP)
Age 39 - 27 goals in 54 games (14 PP)
Age 40 - 31 goals in 73 games (16 PP)

That’s a total of 85 goals with a goals per game pace of 0.44. (54% of his goals on the PP)

If Ovechkin hits 35 goals this season and matches the 85 goals of Selanne over the last 3 years of his contract then he finishes with an even 900 goals.

i think when caps are fully healthy Ovi will go on a heater

 

[TheBeard]

What a fantastic take by coach here.

I think when ovi scores more goals than Wayne he’ll be considered the record holder for most goals scored.

 

[NORiculous]

Well, go with God, friend. The rest of the posters here are going to throw rocks at you.

If they do it with facts and ideas, I don’t mind. This is place to exchange ideas. For what its worth, I think you brought it up very well too.

Actually no it doesn't say that. You don't seem to understand what you are posting.

Well it does say that. But if you come to some other conclusion you might want to share it. I’ll be happy to look at your perspective.

 

[NORiculous]

You're just plain wrong though.

It is absurd to claim a 50 goal scorer is hurting the team. And yeah I realize you think the so-called "advanced stats" (that recently showed Elias Petterson was better than Connor McDavid lol) are firm enough for you to claim that the player who leads the team in points and goals is somehow hurting the team's chances of winning - and that you know better than Peter Laviolette's coaching staff.

Elias Pettersson is the best player in the NHL’s all-Canadian North Division

One thing sets Pettersson apart from the other stars for Canadian teams.

www.vancouverisawesome.com

You are right that a bunch of advanced stats can be twisted. Most of the time you need a larger perspective.

%OZ isn’t up to debate, however. Stats I gave are based on the full season, it does give a tendency.

To say that it is normal for OV to be getting 80+ makes zero sens. That is what you are saying right now.

I know full well that stats don’t give a full picture but they do show something and no one here has been able, so far, to point out anything serious with OV stats.

You can give Pettersson stats and McDavid stats. Ok. But since it is debatable how you translate those to OV, we would have to think that putting OV’s stats in perspective with his teammates does give some important information.

 

[Maple Leaf]

Hard not to root against a guy like this

 

[Demandedace]

Strome and Sheary
Kuznetsov and Sheary

I think Strome and Kuznetsov are fine. You don’t think so?

If you think Kuznetsov is fine you have not watched a lick of Caps hockey this season

 

[Drakon]

But he still a guy that is hurting the team less then OV is right now.

He's definitely not. There's a reason Strome took his spot.

 

[MeHateHe]

Nothing about the PP is new, they've been running the same PP since Oates was the coach.

In no world is it good to have a 37-year-old winger having five 2:00-long power play shifts in the same game.

 

[NORiculous]

If you think Kuznetsov is fine you have not watched a lick of Caps hockey this season

His play should be fine. Yes he has trouble driving possession and he has faults but he certainly not the main reason for the caps record. So that was why I said he is fine. Anyway, I don’t see him as such.

Can he give more? Obviously. But like I said I think he is fine.

He's definitely not. There's a reason Strome took his spot.

Yeah Strome is fine an he and Sheary spent the most time with OV. Then Kuz. So I was answering to someone that said OV only played with crap. Keep the perspective of the post.

 

[BenchBrawl]

I hope he succeeds.